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lotus circle posted:So, basically, Batman the Animated Series Barbara? I know they're shooting for a younger demographic but I hope they don't go too far and remember at Barbara is supposed to be an adult already. This premise sounds more and more like something suited for a Stephanie Brown Batgirl run, but who even knows what's going to be going on with her until Eternal is over. The annoying thing about the Babs reboot is that it's something they should have done three years ago.
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TheJoker138 posted:Does it end with "but then DC told us we had to go dark so welp?" No it ends when the interviewer asks them about how they feel about their firing and that's how they find out they are off the book before it even prints.
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Aug 6, 2014 01:31
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Well, I'm unreservedly looking forward to the new books and runs  Imagine if Catwoman turns out good!
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lotus circle posted:So, basically, Batman the Animated Series Barbara? I know they're shooting for a younger demographic but I hope they don't go too far and remember at Barbara is supposed to be an adult already. This premise sounds more and more like something suited for a Stephanie Brown Batgirl run, but who even knows what's going to be going on with her until Eternal is over. Stewart has said that Barbara is 21 in the nu52 and that's what she'll be acting like in her series. Like a regular 21 year old woman rather than like she's perpetually middle aged or what middle aged people think that 20 somethings act like.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:07
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Waterhaul posted:Stewart has said that Barbara is 21 in the nu52 and that's what she'll be acting like in her series. Like a regular 21 year old woman rather than like she's perpetually middle aged or what middle aged people think that 20 somethings act like.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:29
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Madkal posted:In case you weren't completely sold on the new Batgirl team, this interview will do it for you. Wow looking at that interview it comes across that the interviewer and the creators are really enthusiastic about the book and have invested a lot of energy in it. It sounds like being a fresh take on the source material, and more in line with the kind of Batgirl book I'd be interested in. I wish them all the best, but I'm not going to buy it. I have no ill will whatsoever towards the team, but the simple fact is Barbara Gordon is my problem. Whenever DC whatever the medium decide to use a Batgirl, it's always Barbara. It's the default assumption that Babs = Batgirl, and that's what kills me. Yes I can accept that Stephanie wouldn't work for the story the writers want to tell because she's too young and only been recently introduced. I get that. And I hope that they find the audience they are searching for. It's just that audience won't include me. Because I just don't like Barbara Gordon.
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Aug 6, 2014 13:22
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The Question IRL posted:Wow looking at that interview it comes across that the interviewer and the creators are really enthusiastic about the book and have invested a lot of energy in it. It sounds like being a fresh take on the source material, and more in line with the kind of Batgirl book I'd be interested in. Following characters instead of creators basically makes you the cancer killing comics. It's this mindset that leads to like 5 batman books while dial h gets cancelled.
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Aug 6, 2014 13:55
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The Question IRL posted:Wow looking at that interview it comes across that the interviewer and the creators are really enthusiastic about the book and have invested a lot of energy in it. It sounds like being a fresh take on the source material, and more in line with the kind of Batgirl book I'd be interested in. Also, do you not like Barbara as Batgirl, or Babs, period? She was pretty awesome during her stint with the Suicide Squad, head of Birds of Prey, mentor to Cass....
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Aug 6, 2014 14:22
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The Question IRL posted:
Stephanie was in college when the nu52 killed her book. I feel the same way you do, but I don't even buy Cass merch because I feel like that's throwing money away in terms of bringing her back. (yeah i'm still bitter over this)
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Aug 6, 2014 15:01
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:Following characters instead of creators basically makes you the cancer killing comics. It's this mindset that leads to like 5 batman books while dial h gets cancelled. Woah woah woah. Lets not go calling people cancers who are killing comics. Bad comics, not the customers, are "killing" comics (comics are not being killed btw, please do not start this conversation). I cant get excited for this new Batgirl comic either. I just don't think I am part of it's target demographic. The suit itself looks fine. Its everything else that makes me think "ehh". The selfie in the bathroom with hipsters does not make me want to read a Batgirl book. And thats okay to feel this way.
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Aug 6, 2014 15:12
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redbackground posted:C'mon, I'm Mr. Stephanie is the Best, but I'm still super excited for this book, as it is EXACTLY what DC needs to be doing more of. Oh my problem is Barbara as Batgirl. I was absolutely fine with her as Cass's mentor during that run on Batgirl. I just am not interested in reading stories about her as Batgirl. (Like her being present reduced my enjoyment of the Alex Ross Justice series, and that was a book essentially set during the 70's where it's appropriate for her to show up.) It's like she seems more symptomatic of DC's refusal to ever change any of their characters even more so than Hal Jordan or Barry Allen. At least with Hal the rest of the GL Corps seems to evolve and expand, and Barry Allen's new series at the nu52 honestly tried to be a completely fresh take on everything. (And it had amazing, kinetic artwork.) It's just Babs as Batgirl just screams "I am the great and wonderful Barbara Gordon. As long as I shall exist, you shall never see any non- red headed Batgirls in any Computer Game/ Animated/ Film adaptation of Batman. Imagine the future is my bat-boot stamping on your face, forever." Now I know that the upcoming talent have nothing to do with that. That they are bringing energy and change, and it's not fair that they get tarred with the same brush for mistakes made by previous DC Editorial and writers. But life's not fair. I'm just done with DC. Marvel are just putting out more and more stuff I consistently enjoy while DC just haven't been (aside from Synder's Year Zero and Soule's Red Lanterns.) I'm currently just waiting on Injustice to go on sale on Comixology so I can buy all of Year 1 and 2 of that.
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Aug 6, 2014 15:23
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The Question IRL posted:I'm currently just waiting on Injustice to go on sale on Comixology so I can buy all of Year 1 and 2 of that.
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Aug 6, 2014 16:13
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Grayson 2 was okay. I assume that the first arc is going to end with Grayson and Midnighter teaming up to take down Spyral. I assume Helena Bertinelli will also end up helping them.
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Aug 6, 2014 16:37
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lotus circle posted:But Injustice is a digital first series. All the issues are at .99 a piece, I don't think they're going to get any cheaper than that. I'm waiting for them to put the collections (IE the Digital-TPB's) on sale. If they don't do it around the time that Year 3 launches, I'll just buy them en mass.
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Aug 6, 2014 21:22
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The new costume for Batgirl looks great, but it also looks like DC are just trying their hardest to reel in Stephanie fans and get that audience back. Also in a Gail Simmone interview, Simmone promised more "LGBT characters than ever before" which just screams "I'm making a checklist of minorities to get a pat on the back by Tumblr, even though Gail isn't the one writing the new Batgirl. I'll give it the same chance I give every new on-going. If I don't hate it in issue #1, I'll buy the first three issues and make a decision of whether it's worth buying or not.
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Flameingblack posted:The new costume for Batgirl looks great, but it also looks like DC are just trying their hardest to reel in Stephanie fans and get that audience back. Also in a Gail Simmone interview, Simmone promised more "LGBT characters than ever before" which just screams "I'm making a checklist of minorities to get a pat on the back by Tumblr, even though Gail isn't the one writing the new Batgirl. It really doesn't. It looks more like Cameron Stewart is trying to get that audience and somehow tricked DC into letting him. If DC was trying to get that audience they would just bring Stephanie back.
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Senor Candle posted:It really doesn't. It looks more like Cameron Stewart is trying to get that audience and somehow tricked DC into letting him. If DC was trying to get that audience they would just bring Stephanie back.
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Flameingblack posted:I've been hearing for years that Dan DiDio hates Stephanie Brown, Wally West, & Cassandra Cain and all their fans. I don't know how true that is, but their absence or treatment in the Nu52 isn't very telling. They were actively denying fans those characters for a long time, and when they finally did show up it wasn't even really the same characters or situations, just the names. I think the common theory is that Didio (and co.) are far more interested (have a giant boner for) in silver age comics. Stuff like Stephanie, Wally and Cassandra, Kyle were all replacements for their silver age counterparts. I guess we can all be happy that at least Dick Grayson didn't revert back to being Robin.
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Maybe they're doing something horribly divergent with her that I don't know about, but I think Eternal is introducing Steph just fine.
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Aug 7, 2014 23:05
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I don't like Barbara Gordon at all either, but the TYPE of book looks up my alley, so I'll read it and ideally, CamStewAndCrew will be rewriting her to make her less someone I dislike. Which is hard, because one of the things I don't like about her is that she picked the name Batgirl and it's distaff Batman  Every Batgirl after her was an homage to her, which is cool, but she's following a guy and blahblahblah. One of those things.
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The book looks fun, attractive, and interesting. For me, someone who's never been very attached to and/or read much of either Batgirl, I am going to buy and hopefully enjoy it, because odds are I'm going to want more books like it. Not buying a good book because you don't like the principal cast makes you the Bizarro DT.
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hup posted:The book looks fun, attractive, and interesting. For me, someone who's never been very attached to and/or read much of either Batgirl, I am going to buy and hopefully enjoy it, because odds are I'm going to want more books like it. Light_Tzitzimine, as it were.
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Aug 8, 2014 11:44
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Madkal posted:I guess we can all be happy that at least Dick Grayson didn't revert back to being Robin. "Hoping".
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I haven't read any of the storyline yet, I'm still working my way through all the New 52 Bat Family books, but I'd rather they keep Damien dead. I know this is twenty years late, but it would be nice if death was permanent every once in a while in comics.
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Aug 8, 2014 13:45
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Manapul and Buccellato will introduce a new, female Anarky on their next Detective arc I wanted to have Lonnie back 
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I haven't read any of the storyline yet, I'm still working my way through all the New 52 Bat Family books, but I'd rather they keep Damien dead. I know this is twenty years late, but it would be nice if death was permanent every once in a while in comics. I like to think the fact that none of his fans can spell his name right is slowly eroding him from history.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:46
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Was Taters posted:I like to think the fact that none of his fans can spell his name right is slowly eroding him from history. I've only read the first three volumes of Batman and he only appears in a few scenes at the beginning of volume one. I barely know the character.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:53
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I've only read the first three volumes of Batman and he only appears in a few scenes at the beginning of volume one. I barely know the character. If you just Read Morrison's run (through his various titles) he hardly does anything at all so you aren't missing much.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:54
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CharlestheHammer posted:If you just Read Morrison's run (through his various titles) he hardly does anything at all so you aren't missing much. No, just the main Batman series. Has Damian really been used at all in the New 52?
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Aug 8, 2014 20:02
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Pope Corky the IX posted:No, just the main Batman series. Has Damian really been used at all in the New 52? He was a big part of Batman and Robin, pre and post the new 52. I mean he didn't really do much in the pre but the whole first arc of the post is about him and how he relates to another hero that is more in line with his early values.
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Aug 8, 2014 20:07
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Pope Corky the IX posted:No, just the main Batman series. Has Damian really been used at all in the New 52? He really couldn't be, because of the timing around the conclusion of RIP* and the boot up of the Now-it's-kinda-old 52. He was in some group scenes - Snyder's first Batman issue - and then the Tomasi run, which was awful mawkish stuff, because he was reinforcing the whole 'Bruce really loves this boy! and it'll be SO SAD when he croaks' line as it really wasn't something Morrison was taking care of in his own issues. *Edit: Inc, I mean Inc Was Taters fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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He stars in Batman and Robin and Batman Incorporated (The N52 version. Vol.1 focused on his International Batmans network.) Guess Snyder wanted a solo book till he established his own lil helpers. e: Not to put him down for it. If I got the hint he'd be gone in a year and didn't really have to support Morrison's book beyond the one Requiem issue, I'd have avoided him too. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Was Taters posted:I like to think the fact that none of his fans can spell his name right is slowly eroding him from history. You seen the previews for Multiversity?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I haven't read any of the storyline yet, I'm still working my way through all the New 52 Bat Family books, but I'd rather they keep Damien dead. I know this is twenty years late, but it would be nice if death was permanent every once in a while in comics.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I haven't read any of the storyline yet, I'm still working my way through all the New 52 Bat Family books, but I'd rather they keep Damien dead. I know this is twenty years late, but it would be nice if death was permanent every once in a while in comics.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Manapul and Buccellato will introduce a new, female Anarky on their next Detective arc Feels werid to do that given that their is a show with him as a main villain on Tv with him right now. (Though that show is unlikely to live given that CN decided to kill it before it aired 9 episodes.)
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Regarding the death in comics thing... I only started getting into comics in general within the last year or so. I started with most of the essential Bat books (which I'm still going through) before moving into the New 52 stuff. Now, while I didn't like 'Death in the Family' for a variety of reasons, I still thought the idea of the Joker murdering Jason Todd and that having a lasting effect on Batman to be really good. And then I found out online that they brought Todd back from the dead...but kinda not, but he's still alive I guess...only a few years later. I know this is a regular thing for people who read comic books and it must be amusing to see me complain about it, but it's so incredibly frustrating. And it was even more irritating because it was literally the only thing I actually liked about that book. However, I've been trying to avoid spoilers, but I've been told that the Jason Todd thing is handled better in Zero Year. Without giving anything away, is it better than the original story?
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Zero Year is Bruce's first year as Batman, solo. No Robins at all. There was a backup in the #0 issue about where the Robins to be were at the time, but they only got a page or two each. Keep in mind, you're reading about decades of stuff at once. When Jason Todd came back, it had been almost 20 years since he had been murdered, a fate which had been decided by a frickin' phone-in poll, by the way. (e: and he'd only been around for a year. I didn't know he was that short lived. He was barely given a chance.) e: Might you have been told Zero Year did the origin better than Frank Miller's Year One? That's a debate for the ages, but I really liked Zero Year. It's been the best part of Snyder's Batman for me. If you've been into the comic so far it should be great. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:However, I've been trying to avoid spoilers, but I've been told that the Jason Todd thing is handled better in Zero Year.
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Yeah, I may be getting some stuff confused considering how many books from different eras I'm reading at the same time. I know 'Zero Year' is the new origin story for Batman, but I thought I had read it ends up spanning several years and goes through some of the Robins as well, as well as having it so Jason Todd was never a Robin. I'm excited to get into 'Zero Year', though I loved 'Year One' so it would be hard for the former to top it. I'm also trying to avoid spoilers, so that probably furthers the confusion of what I've gathered, so I should probably shut up.
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