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Apple Jax posted:It was rad. I got to see it when I was under-aged though and never really got to get a drink from Quark's bar I went about three years before they closed (I was also underaged at the time  ) but I believe they auctioned off all the assets, possibly as part of that big It's A Wrap! auction that Paramount had.
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Everything else was pretty great, isn't there still just a bit left there now? Anyone know?
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Hey guys. Anyone still post neelix_dance.gif? E: I do not think there is anything interesting left to say about popular television series, Star Trek. IMO. Dr. Witherbone fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Aug 6, 2014 08:00
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AV Club has a TV Club 10 article for Enterprise that just came out. Gives a brief overview of the show and what went right/wrong, and goddamn has it really been ten years since a Trek show was on television? I also found yet another redone ENT opening theme in the comments section and holy poo poo it actually works really well.
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Aug 6, 2014 09:05
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Is there any somewhat decent fan stuff that isn't going for a distinctly TOS style? Other than that Kickstarter I mean.
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Aug 6, 2014 09:29
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Beware, that way lies Voyager fandom.
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Aug 6, 2014 10:32
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Children of Time is so dumb. The one where the Defiant encounters its future descendents and has to decide whether to avoid the disaster that creates those descendents. Nobody ever bothers to mention (or the writers never realized) that there are equally a group of future descendants of the crew that will never have the chance to exist back home in Alpha quadrant if they decide to stay. Statements like "we can't let these people die" are understandable but a total misread of the situation. They won't die, they never will have existed, and a new set of descendents (ones that can reasonably be expected to have happier lives) will take their place in the future.
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Aug 6, 2014 12:42
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Currently conscious individuals would cease to exist. They weren't just floating around in potentia, they were there. They were living. Removal from existence after they had begun is death, no matter how retroactive.
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Aug 6, 2014 13:01
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But it's okay. Those people will always live on... in our hearts. 
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Aug 6, 2014 13:09
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At least I managed to go to Star Trek: the Experience once before it closed. I managed to get a bunch of episodes on VHS on sale because they were clearing them out for DVDs at the time. I was still in High School at the time. Jeez, that was probably 10 or more years ago.
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Aug 6, 2014 13:23
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MikeJF posted:Currently conscious individuals would cease to exist. They weren't just floating around in potentia, they were there. They were living. Removal from existence after they had begun is death, no matter how retroactive. Had the accident gone forward those people would have existed 200 years in the future according to the Defiant crew's subjective time. In fact, going through with the accident would have eliminated those people from the Defiant's subjective present existence exactly as not going through with it did. And going through with the accident would move the planet-side descendents into potentia, just like their prime-timeline future descendents. From the Defiant's subjective point of view (and is there any other kind of point of view?) both possible groups of descendents were 200 years in the future. They just got to meet the first group. Should that privilege those potential people?
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Aug 6, 2014 13:38
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I managed to get to Star Trek: The Experience on Aug 2nd, 2008. I was in Vegas for my cousin's wedding. This was the 2nd time I was in Vegas and the first time I was there, I went to the Hilton but didn't do any of the attractions. I decided I was going to make it a point to do them this time. I was really glad I did, because it ended up closing just a month later. There was something pretty drat neat about walking out on to the bridge of the Enterprise after growing up watching TNG. I did get a Warp Core Breach at Quarks while I was there.  The models they had hanging from the ceiling were awesome too. 
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Aug 6, 2014 13:45
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betaraywil posted:I've somehow never seen The Descent before. Yo that episode was bullshit. A blind guy uses  to tell an old guy how to rejigger a microprocessor by hand. I think I might not like Lore. Is it okay if I don't like Lore?
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Aug 6, 2014 15:39
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LEGO Genetics posted:I also found yet another redone ENT opening theme in the comments section and holy poo poo it actually works really well. aahhahahahaha the little music cue when the NX-01 goes to warp is loving incredible. Pro-fuckin-click.
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Arglebargle III posted:Children of Time is so dumb. The one where the Defiant encounters its future descendents and has to decide whether to avoid the disaster that creates those descendents. Nobody ever bothers to mention (or the writers never realized) that there are equally a group of future descendants of the crew that will never have the chance to exist back home in Alpha quadrant if they decide to stay. Also the Dominion would have taken over the Alpha Quadrant and poo poo.
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Arglebargle III posted:Had the accident gone forward those people would have existed 200 years in the future according to the Defiant crew's subjective time. In fact, going through with the accident would have eliminated those people from the Defiant's subjective present existence exactly as not going through with it did. And going through with the accident would move the planet-side descendents into potentia, just like their prime-timeline future descendents. Yeah, they cease to exist no matter what. They wanted to choose the path that would cause them to exist again in the future. But... revtoiletduck posted:Also the Dominion would have taken over the Alpha Quadrant and poo poo. hahahahaha. That's how the episode should have ended. Right as they're about to go through with their dumb plan, a bunch of Jen'Hadar land and slaughter everyone. The only thing the would have to do is change it so that when they landed on the planet they were shifted into the future, rather than crashing into the past later...
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Aug 6, 2014 16:30
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Drone posted:I went about three years before they closed (I was also underaged at the time I'm glad I got to go when I did, which was probably 6-9 months before it shut down.
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LEGO Genetics posted:
When I first heard the theme start I started to laugh... but then the words, music and visual cues sync up amazingly well, and the lyrics especially are surprisingly fitting.
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Aug 6, 2014 17:54
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Can I just say, the First Contact uniform might be my favorite. The jacket may look staid, but take off the jacket... and it's a TOS uniform!
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Enterprise did nothing wrong. Arglebargle III posted:Statements like "we can't let these people die" are understandable but a total misread of the situation. They won't die, they never will have existed, and a new set of descendents (ones that can reasonably be expected to have happier lives) will take their place in the future. Their lives will no longer exist. That's death. If someone points a gun at you and says "this won't kill you, it will make it so that you never existed", would you feel any differently? Arguably the latter is even worse. Subyng fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Aug 6, 2014 20:50
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It's like when Supergirl got killed by the Anti-Monitor in Crisis on Infinite Earths. She got killed so hard, she never even existed, and that was treated as a death. How's it different from the people in that DS9 episode?
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Subyng posted:Enterprise did nothing wrong. But the point is that both options cause them to no longer exist.
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Snak posted:Yeah, they cease to exist no matter what. They wanted to choose the path that would cause them to exist again in the future. But... I remember that I said that episode was dumb and got poo poo from some people here who said it was a good one. Not to mention that it helps make Odo and Kira's later relationship even weirder. Besides, wouldn't they still exist in an alternate timeline that would have split off as soon as there was a time paradox? I dunno, Star Trek isn't very consistent with time travel. Vagabundo posted:It's like when Supergirl got killed by the Anti-Monitor in Crisis on Infinite Earths. She got killed so hard, she never even existed, and that was treated as a death. How's it different from the people in that DS9 episode? How could people act like she died when she never existed and thus wouldn't remember her? Dunno, I never read Crisis on Infinite Earths. It's sorta like how in one of the Godzilla movies (Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah) they go back in time and erase Godzilla from existence, but everybody still remembers Godzilla. And then he comes back anyway just because.
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Godzilla has paradox-resistant flesh? Good to know!
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Apoplexy posted:Godzilla has paradox-resistant flesh? Good to know! Yep, he is truly the king of all monsters. Try hitting him with a nuke? He just gets angry. And bigger. In the original Godzilla, they managed to kill him by removing all the oxygen from his body. Then another one came around. Much later they built Mechagodzilla on top of the original Godzilla's bones to fight the 2nd Godzilla. The ghost of the original Godzilla within the bones possessed Mechagodzilla and it went crazy and started blowing poo poo up. This is relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk5iJ2l8QAs
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DoctorWhat posted:aahhahahahaha the little music cue when the NX-01 goes to warp is loving incredible. There's also a cymbal crash the moment that the warp nacelles bust out of the shuttle or whatever. Amazing
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Gammatron 64 posted:The ghost of the original Godzilla within the bones possessed Mechagodzilla and it went crazy and started blowing poo poo up. There is no part of this sentence that isn't awesome
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But it's okay. Those people will always live on... in our hearts. Hey that reminds me of a painfully earnest tribute song by a Star Trucks stuntman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4difPEQ8wA4
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It's obvious that the folks in "Children of Time" will necessarily cease to exist one way or the other. Even if the Defiant crashes in the past as before, the crew's knowledge of the future and interaction with their own descendants will inevitably change how the timeline plays out this time around. There's no chance that those exact same individuals will be born and have the exact same life experiences.
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Voyager Rewatch, season 2, episode 5 "Non Sequitur" This is a Harry Kim episode. That takes place on earth, in an alternate reality where he never got on Voyager. It's a total snooze-fest with no redeeming qualities. In theory you could make an episode with this premise that didn't suck, but, uh, they didn't. Season 2 is off to a rough start, "The 37s", "Elogium", and "Non Sequitur" all suck. "Initiations" and "Projections" were both really good though, and I remember the next episode "Twisted" being really good, so I hope it makes up for Harry Kim looking confused and being himself for 43 minutes...
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Sash! posted:There is no part of this sentence that isn't awesome Godzilla X Mechagodzilla rules. Another great one is Godzilla Final Wars where Don Fyre as mayor Mike Haggar from Final Fight fights aliens with a katana and flies around in a submarine spaceship with a drill on the front as Godzilla runs around killing everyone, including the 1998 Godzilla.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Godzilla X Mechagodzilla rules. Another great one is Godzilla Final Wars where Don Fyre as mayor Mike Haggar from Final Fight fights aliens with a katana and flies around in a submarine spaceship with a drill on the front as Godzilla runs around killing everyone, including the 1998 Godzilla. Now I know you're just making poo poo up. 
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Trent posted:Now I know you're just making poo poo up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZKHsha3Ek
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Trent posted:Now I know you're just making poo poo up. My good Trent, they are all true. Especially the lies.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:There's also a cymbal crash the moment that the warp nacelles bust out of the shuttle or whatever. Amazing Yeah, it pretty much blew Strenf of the Harr or whatever out of the water.
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I've seen Final Wars and I can only assume this is how the writing process went down: "Ok, let's make a list of all the stuff that would be great in a movie. Any movie. Doesn't have to be Godzilla." "Here's the list." "Time to start the script!" "Wait, which things on that list are we doing?" "ALL OF THEM."
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Sash! posted:I've seen Final Wars and I can only assume this is how the writing process went down: And the result is amazing. I need to buy it on DVD just so that I can upload the best clip to youtube. The part where Don Frye explains his plan, and everyone is like "wait, so we're going to steal a spaceship, fly it past all the aliens and monsters to ANTARCTICA and then use it to wake up GODZILLA and hope that he is a big enough badass to kill all the other monsters and aliens but not kill us?!" and Don Frye's just like "That's right" Also the movie is in Japanese but Don Frye speaks english the entire time. This was at the request of the director who wanted it that way, Frye was totally willing to learn his lines in Japanese.
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quote:Probably the best episode of Enterprise’s first two years, “Cogenitor” 
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Cogenitor is at least good Trek in that there seems to be a split in the audience about who was right in that situation. Unlike Dear Doctor, where the only debate is who who's wronger, Archer or Phlox. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Subyng posted:Their lives will no longer exist. That's death. If someone points a gun at you and says "this won't kill you, it will make it so that you never existed", would you feel any differently? Arguably the latter is even worse. But both groups are 200 years in the Defiant crew's future. If the episode was about traveling into the future, would you still be in support of the accident? What if the Defiant was able to visit its potential descendents in the alpha quadrant as well before deciding? And as I and others point out, from the Defiant's perspective those people will cease to exist either way. Either they do the accident and these people won't be born for 200 years, or they don't do the accident and they will never have been born. Except, there are a whole group of future people who now will be born because the Defiant crew returns to the alpha quadrant to procreate. Again, from the Defiant's perspective, there are two future groups of descendents that are both equally in the Defiant crew's future. They just get to visit with one group and that influences their decision. In my opinion, inappropriately. On the balance of lives, the accident timeline probably results in more progeny because agrarian societies have more children on average than advanced societies. (Although in a post-scarcity society who knows whether that holds true.) On the balance of human suffering, the alpha quadrant timeline is likely to produce people who have more fulfilling lives with less suffering. And, of course, the Defiant and its crew are a critical strategic resource and should they choose the accident timeline it's likely that the Dominion would conquer the alpha quadrant and that the entire population of Earth would be massacred, throwing the moral calculus entirely. That none of the Defiant crew mentions this, not even Worf who is usually the voice for these sorts of concerns, is quite an oversight.
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I just finished watching "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" for the second time in my life (the first time being at least six years ago). I don't think it's really all that wack, relative to some other TAS eps. In fact, its internal logic pretty much holds up. I think I've been influenced by some hilarious gif which depicts a sequence of events that did not actually happen. On the subject of TAS, does anyone know anything about the background music? I clearly recall hearing the same music on the animated Tarzan, circa 1977, and I'm pretty sure it was used in at least another one or two cartoon series. (It's pretty good music, imo.) e: I've tried (long time ago) googling it and didn't get anywhere. I could now but I'll be lazy for the time being and see if someone knows all about it and would love to educate me. Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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