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BaronVonVaderham posted:I remember when I was a kid, during an American History unit about the Revolutionary War, our class wrote out our own Declaration in response to what we perceived as slavery-level homework assignments, lack of free time, etc. The authors tried making it sound all official and eloquent and present our grievances in a coherent, logical form. It came out sounding childish, bitchy, and laughably terrible. We got into quite a bit of trouble over some language that was edited after the fact by the two organizers. I am a lawyer, but I know almost nothing about this particular field and to even have a coherent opinion on the merits of the case would require me to basically figure out the law of the land in this field. But it sounds like Cryptozoic filed a motion to dismiss for failure to state a cause of action. Its just a procedural motion that states that the original complaint doesn't say what it needs to say in order to proceed as a lawsuit. Legal documents require that you allege specific facts which would, on their face, demonstrate an entitlement to legal relief. If Wizards' original complaint didn't demonstrate some kind of financial loss in the forum in which the case was filed, which is what it sounds like here, you could file a motion demanding that they dismiss the case for failure to state necessary facts. But that doesn't mean Wizards can't just "fix" the operative document to allege those things, and indeed, at the pleading stage, it makes little difference whether the allegations are true unless they can't possibly be true. This kind of thing is mostly a vehicle for defense attorneys to increase their billable hours. It typically doesn't mean anything.
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Angry Grimace posted:But it sounds like Cryptozoic filed a motion to dismiss for failure to state a cause of action. Its just a procedural motion that states that the original complaint doesn't say what it needs to say in order to proceed as a lawsuit. Legal documents require that you allege specific facts which would, on their face, demonstrate an entitlement to legal relief. If Wizards' original complaint didn't demonstrate some kind of financial loss in the forum in which the case was filed, which is what it sounds like here, you could file a motion demanding that they dismiss the case for failure to state necessary facts. But that doesn't mean Wizards can't just "fix" the operative document to allege those things, and indeed, at the pleading stage, it makes little difference whether the allegations are true unless they can't possibly be true. This kind of thing is mostly a vehicle for defense attorneys to increase their billable hours. It typically doesn't mean anything. Assume I'm a fourth grader. Now can you run that by me again? Also, the permanent working link again, since my last post was on the bottom of the page: https://search.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/10864942
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Aug 6, 2014 19:13
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Ramos posted:Assume I'm a fourth grader. Now can you run that by me again? Starting a lawsuit requires you file a document that alleges A, B and C. Crypto's response (which I haven't read so I'm assuming) likely just says "well, Wizards didn't put an allegation about C." Its just technical legal poo poo that doesn't mean anything. Edit: Having looked at nothing other than the Table of Contents of Wizards' response, this is exactly what it is.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:18
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4th grader: When you sue someone, you have to say that they've done something wrong according to the law and what it is. Hex says Wizards didn't. Wizards say they did, but while saying they did, they're adding in more stuff to be sure of it. The court in the end won't pay too much attention to the fact that the original Wizards case wasn't as well honed as it could have been so long as it't mostly in shape by the time everything comes to a head. That's what I'm getting from Grimace, anyway.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:19
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Angry Grimace posted:Starting a lawsuit requires you file a document that alleges A, B and C. Crypto's response (which I haven't read so I'm assuming) likely just says "well, Wizards didn't put an allegation about C." Bureaucracy, got it.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:20
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It's not just bureaucracy, it's the adversarial legal system in a nutshell. Each side gets to make an argument, and then the other side gets to rebut it. Wizards filed a complaint; Cryptozoic claimed the complaint was insufficient; and Wizards responded by amending their complaint. Or in a manner more relevant to the thread, Wizards announced a lawsuit and put in on the stack; Cryptozoic cast Dismiss targeting the lawsuit; then Wizards used an effect making their lawsuit (hopefully) an invalid target for Dismiss.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:36
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CellBlock posted:It's not just bureaucracy, it's the adversarial legal system in a nutshell. Each side gets to make an argument, and then the other side gets to rebut it. Wizards filed a complaint; Cryptozoic claimed the complaint was insufficient; and Wizards responded by amending their complaint. Repeat until someone runs out of Mana(read: money) or a Judge(different outfit, similar purpose) decides to intervene and we finally go to court. Could be years though. 
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Aug 6, 2014 19:46
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CellBlock posted:It's not just bureaucracy, it's the adversarial legal system in a nutshell. Each side gets to make an argument, and then the other side gets to rebut it. Wizards filed a complaint; Cryptozoic claimed the complaint was insufficient; and Wizards responded by amending their complaint. So Wizards casts Stoic Rebuttal targeting Dismiss. How will Cryptozoic respond?
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Aug 6, 2014 19:47
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What nobody knows is that Wizards is trying to play a land face down as a Morph creature and hoping they can get away with not revealing it at the game's end.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:49
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CellBlock posted:It's not just bureaucracy, it's the adversarial legal system in a nutshell. Each side gets to make an argument, and then the other side gets to rebut it. Wizards filed a complaint; Cryptozoic claimed the complaint was insufficient; and Wizards responded by amending their complaint. Actually, the best way to put it is that Cryptozoic cast Remand. The lawsuit doesn't go to the graveyard if Cryptozoic wins. Even if Crypto won this motion, Wizards would just be told to fix the lawsuit to comply with the rules.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:52
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Regardless of whether or not they have a legal leg to stand on they're still entitled to attempt the lawsuit. If it goes to court and they lose they can't try again. Well... technically they could but it'd have to be for different reasons.
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Aug 6, 2014 19:53
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Ramos posted:If you guys aren't sick of it yet, here's a minor update on legal stuff between Hex and Magic. The main thing to take away from this document is that Wizards isn't trying to claim that mechanics were stolen but instead saying that Magic in its entirety was taken and repurposed with the intent of making profit. I think the big thing for wizards was that Hex decided to blatantly copy the color wheel, which is a huge part of magic itself. It influences card design and mechanics, as well as playstyle. If Hex never did that, I don't think this lawsuit would have happened.
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Aug 6, 2014 20:24
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If Hex had added a 6th color we... would probably still be having this conversation honestly but at least Hex would be a decent name for the game.
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Aug 6, 2014 20:31
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Cernunnos posted:If Hex had added a 6th color we... would probably still be having this conversation honestly but at least Hex would be a decent name for the game. Pent doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
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Cernunnos posted:If Hex had added a 6th color we... would probably still be having this conversation honestly but at least Hex would be a decent name for the game. What would the flavor of a 6th color in magic be?
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Aug 6, 2014 21:39
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Gensuki posted:What would the flavor of a 6th color in magic be? Purple. Also the card design thread did a contest about 6th colors a while back.
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ur/dreams-damned-2014-08-06 Wizards posted up an Ob Nixilis story, for the purpose of setting up a Zendikar return eventually, I imagine. Gensuki posted:What would the flavor of a 6th color in magic be? Maro posts about it a lot. They never got far enough with the idea of Purple in Planar Chaos to really think about it, but the apparent theme was stupid-broken cards due to the fact that Purple would only exist in a very small amount of Magic cards that was hard to actually play, e.g. Hymn to Tourach, Mana Drain, etc. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Aug 6, 2014 21:50
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So, in the interest of wild speculation, I'm guessing that since Khans is a time travel block, Duey is going to be Tarkir of the ancient past, and Louie is going to be alternate reality Tarkir like in Back to the Future 2 where Biff runs the world.
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Aug 6, 2014 21:52
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Froghammer posted:So, in the interest of wild speculation, I'm guessing that since Khans is a time travel block, Duey is going to be Tarkir of the ancient past, and Louie is going to be alternate reality Tarkir like in Back to the Future 2 where Biff runs the world. Nicol Bolas has his fingers in many sinister pies.
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Froghammer posted:So, in the interest of wild speculation, I'm guessing that since Khans is a time travel block, Duey is going to be Tarkir of the ancient past, and Louie is going to be alternate reality Tarkir like in Back to the Future 2 where Biff runs the world. Set three is where we find out that Tarkir and Zendikar are the same place.
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Aug 6, 2014 21:56
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Angry Grimace posted:Set three is where we find out that Tarkir and Zendikar are the same place. Fetches still aren't in it. The groans would be audible from space.
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Aug 6, 2014 21:59
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Angry Grimace posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ur/dreams-damned-2014-08-06 Nahiri - a Kor planeswalker? The Lithomancer, maybe? 
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Froghammer posted:So, in the interest of wild speculation, I'm guessing that since Khans is a time travel block, Duey is going to be Tarkir of the ancient past, and Louie is going to be alternate reality Tarkir like in Back to the Future 2 where Biff runs the world. Who are Duey and Louie? Also, I would like for Tezzeret to be semi-immortal (not ageless, but a crazy old wizened wizard) in Tarkir's future. Just so we can have Nicky in the past, Sarkhan in the present and [3rd minion] in the future.
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Gensuki posted:Who are Duey and Louie?
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Gensuki posted:Who are Duey and Louie? Huey, Duey, and Louie are the development code names for Khans blocks.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:16
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They're also ducks. May or may not be related to Duck Fayden.
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Froghammer posted:So, in the interest of wild speculation, I'm guessing that since Khans is a time travel block, Duey is going to be Tarkir of the ancient past, and Louie is going to be alternate reality Tarkir like in Back to the Future 2 where Biff runs the world. I don't think so. The time-shifted version has to be Set Three since they went out of their way to make sure you don't draft Set One with Set Three. Ramos posted:They're also ducks. May or may not be related to Duck Fayden. The dumb part is that Dack Fayden's "story" involves him doing poo poo on Theros, despite him never appearing in the block in any way, shape or form.
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Angry Grimace posted:The dumb part is that Dack Fayden's "story" involves him doing poo poo on Theros, despite him never appearing in the block in any way, shape or form. As near as I can tell, that's what happens on every plane since they started making the drat comics. Though he occasionally shows up on-plane in promo art:  This is supposed to be him getting choked by Sorin on Innistrad, I think? I have never read any of these comics, but that wiki article seems to think so. Also, holy poo poo there have been a lot more Drink Faygo promos than I thought there were. Some of them are even decently valuable!
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Minority Deport posted:As near as I can tell, that's what happens on every plane since they started making the drat comics. Though he occasionally shows up on-plane in promo art: My personal favorite is Dack Tide. 
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Aug 6, 2014 22:48
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Minority Deport posted:As near as I can tell, that's what happens on every plane since they started making the drat comics. Though he occasionally shows up on-plane in promo art: He's a comic book character in a larger multiverse. Ergo: Nothing he ever does will have a lasting effect anyway. I'm sure there's a lot of continuity wank to go with it though.
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Aug 6, 2014 22:48
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man I feel this card is a significant down grade over the original anyway. Nothing beats "Take your time." in simplicity and the art.
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^^^I feel like the last time Wizards made a new piece of flavor text that I actively liked was ROE, but I'm probably missing some since then. I don't know what it is I don't like about modern flavor text, I guess it's that a lot of it feels like it tries too hard?
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Elyv posted:^^^I feel like the last time Wizards made a new piece of flavor text that I actively liked was ROE, but I'm probably missing some since then. I don't know what it is I don't like about modern flavor text, I guess it's that a lot of it feels like it tries too hard? Tries too hard is a pretty apt description of the modern art and flavor in too many cases, yes. Dack Fayden really works when his campy ridiculousness is played to the hilt, like we do in this thread, but I get the vibe that somewhere, someone at Wizards thinks that they're playing him completely straight and that he is awesome as such.
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I know you guys hated my proxy Sapphire, but here's my newest acquisition. Yeah I like Doctor Who. Eat me.
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Minority Deport posted:As near as I can tell, that's what happens on every plane since they started making the drat comics. Though he occasionally shows up on-plane in promo art: This makes me like Sorin even more than using his card on Oloro EDH players does.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:12
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What a Judas posted:I know you guys hated my proxy Sapphire, but here's my newest acquisition. I hate Doctor Who, but that's a nice piece of work. If I liked the show I would want that.
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What a Judas posted:I know you guys hated my proxy Sapphire, but here's my newest acquisition. Does it slide down from the weight, or is it a mirror trick. If it is a weighted thing, it is worth maybe $10 Mirrors put it at $30? Either way this is much neater than the card.
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Gensuki posted:Does it slide down from the weight, or is it a mirror trick. I'm not sure I get what you're saying. The bottom slides up into the box. There is no mirror trick. It's also made of resin and handpainted, so it's quite a bit more than you think.
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What a Judas posted:I know you guys hated my proxy Sapphire, but here's my newest acquisition. There's a player at my LGS that has the same thing. I'm assuming you got it from here?
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There's an enchiridion made by the same guy
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