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hhhat posted:Unsurprising revelation regarding Tea Party group using donations for supporting the troops to not support the troops. Getting a strong case of Déjà vu off this, didn't nearly the exact same thing happen before with a Tea Party charity group?
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Axe Master posted:This morning at work I came across a...delightful news story about the "Liberty Kids" in California."these millennials say they are more comfortable with Republicans' emphasis on freedom than Democrats' penchant for regulation." They are actually perfect for the modern republican party and their routine dismissal of real-world evidence to the point of hurting their elections when they fail to realistically evaluate their opponent. The "Romney Landslide Victory" generation of young republicans. I actually kind of wish Nixon were alive today just to hear the tapes he'd have mocking these witless twerps. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Inaccurately evaluating your opponents is a GOP tradition. This is the party that lost to FDR 4 times in a row, despite their insistence that he was an idiot cripple.
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Wee Tinkle Wand posted:Getting a strong case of Déjà vu off this, didn't nearly the exact same thing happen before with a Tea Party charity group? As far as I'm concerned it happens with every Tea Party charity group. Now whether it gets reported or not...
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Axe Master posted:Peep the bolded passage. Those warmongering democrats getting us involved in three wars in the past 2 decades!!! Could this be the new face of the Republican party!? (Probably not)
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Inaccurately evaluating your opponents is a GOP tradition. This is the party that lost to FDR 4 times in a row, despite their insistence that he was an idiot cripple.
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FMguru posted:I've been reading articles about how The Kidz Today are gonna grow up to be the most libertarian generation ever, just you wait and see! for almost thirty years. It never pans out, this is just the same decades-old youth outreach that Republicans are always crowing about (to diminishing effect). All the polling shows that millenials are trending strongly Democratic and regard the Republican party about as positively as dick cancer. The current theory about them becoming libertarian seems to rely mostly on how out-of-step with the country the GOP has become. Very few people under thirty are anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-regulation, and anti-health care. Unless being as rich as possible is more important than those things, then they'll vote for the GOP. edit http://www.creationmoments.com/radio/transcripts/how-dinosaurs-died Soooo, we know what Jack Chick thinks happened with the dinosaurs, but I can't figure out what these people are claiming. Are they saying that Noah didn't bother to take any dinosaurs because he was a dick? Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Axe Master posted:This morning at work I came across a...delightful news story about the "Liberty Kids" in California."these millennials say they are more comfortable with Republicans' emphasis on freedom than Democrats' penchant for regulation." It's tells you something about the Republican party that the "Liberty KIDS" are actually all like mid-20's. Even their kids are old.
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Sir Tonk posted:The current theory about them becoming libertarian seems to rely mostly on how out-of-step with the country the GOP has become. Very few people under thirty are anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-regulation, and anti-health care. Unless being as rich as possible is more important than those things, then they'll vote for the GOP. Well, anti abortion that's not true: http://www.gallup.com/poll/126581/generational-differences-abortion-narrow.aspx They're better than the 65+ group but they also have more people that think it should be illegal in all circumstances.
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Not to derail but could somebody explain why the hell Glenn Beck just went on a 30 min rant about Gorge Soros pulling his money from soda stream is the end of Israel and makes him a holocaust participent??
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AcidRonin posted:Not to derail but could somebody explain why the hell Glenn Beck just went on a 30 min rant about Gorge Soros pulling his money from soda stream is the end of Israel and makes him a holocaust participent?? Doing anything to potentially harm Israel makes you anti-semitic.
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Soda Stream is an Israeli company and has factories in West Bank settlements. Been in the news before with Scarlett Johansson: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25958176
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computer parts posted:Well, anti abortion that's not true: Well, basically 8% of them are more supportive of all circumstances, and an extra 2% (the unknowns for 65+ are a higher percentage than 18-29) of 18-29s are against all instead of undecided or unknown. So really, it's just more likely that the classic "I'm an undecided voter" fallacy is less effective and people are revealing their tendencies a little more in polling--especially since most studies are showing people identify on party over ideology at present. Also, since this is the right-wing media thread, it's worth noting too that 18-29s have been subject to the most anti-choice propaganda of any generation in American history. poo poo, I was a kid who grew up in the exact environment Jesus Camp portrayed, and the parts where you had to pray for righteous judges and an end to Roe v. Wade was probably toned down for the movie. Abortion will decrease as a wedge issue some, but it's going to take the evangelical megachurch movement dying off before you ever see that against all number truly decline.
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computer parts posted:Well, anti abortion that's not true: I didn't see any breakdown by sex, did I miss it? I'm curious how many people under 30 that're against it completely are male. It also makes sense since the low point for the anti-abortion crowd was under Clinton's first term and it's gone up steadily since then (thanks Bush!), but still frustrating to see so much support for complete illegality for those under 30. Perhaps not having a connection to a time before RvW when abortions routinely killed either one or both people involved leads to people not understanding what would happen if it was completely illegal. I also don't get people that are against it in cases up incest/rape, that's loving crazy. AcidRonin posted:Glenn Beck just went on a 30 min rant about Gorge Soros is a holocaust participant. ftfy
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quote:Soros was born in Budapest, Hungary, to a non-observant Jewish family. His mother Elizabeth (also known as Erzsebet) came from a family that owned a thriving silk shop. His father Tivadar (also known as Teodoro) was a lawyer[12] and had been a prisoner of war during and after World War I until he escaped from Russia and rejoined his family in Budapest.[13][14] The two married in 1924. Tivadar was an Esperantist writer and taught Soros to speak Esperanto in his childhood.[15] Soros later said that he grew up in a Jewish home and that his parents were cautious with their religious roots.[16] Soros was thirteen years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary.[17] Soros took a job with the Jewish Council, which had been established during the Nazi occupation of Hungary. Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis: Sounds like a real Jew hater to me. I'm glad Mormon Glenn Beck keeps self-hating Jews like me apprised of these things. http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/08/05/what-is-george-soros-up-to-this-time/ turnip kid fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Axe Master posted:The 26-year-old aspiring restaurateur "The 26-year-old aspiring bottomless equity pit"
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AcidRonin posted:Not to derail but could somebody explain why the hell Glenn Beck just went on a 30 min rant about Gorge Soros pulling his money from soda stream is the end of Israel and makes him a holocaust participent?? Filled 30 minutes of air time.
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Axe Master posted:This morning at work I came across a...delightful news story about the "Liberty Kids" in California."these millennials say they are more comfortable with Republicans' emphasis on freedom than Democrats' penchant for regulation." I used to be a republican/right wing/libertarian. Likely if not for the economic collapse in 2008 I would very much still be one. Very hard to want to pull the lever for those peeps when you discover who's responsible for putting you in a large amount of college debt with a very bleak future that alternates between underemployment and unemployment. Especially when their response to such a problem is to blather on and blame Obama, then find new ways to protest against Gay Marriage/Mexicans. I would gather there's quite a few like me.
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Yeah, the Republican Party should just be renamed the Privilege Party. It's really easy to vote for the status quo when you are economically stable and not oppressed in any way because of your skin color or sexuality. The economy tanking probably did more to hurt the Republicans than any of their bigoted beliefs or idiotic comments about women.
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Sent this to an Israeli apologist who I try to be on good terms with  She responded with strongly worded wishes to introduce the author to a tire iron. Then she sent me this. I think I lost this exchange. 
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Reeks of jealousy. "Why do people pay attention to Rhianna rather than me, the aspiring columnist?" "Celebrities are saying stuff I don't agree with. Thanks, Obama!"
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Yeah, the Republican Party should just be renamed the Privilege Party. It's really easy to vote for the status quo when you are economically stable and not oppressed in any way because of your skin color or sexuality. The economy tanking probably did more to hurt the Republicans than any of their bigoted beliefs or idiotic comments about women. They have literally scorched the earth in that sense. Very few people in terrible positions seem to want to vote for a party when their answer to why you're stuck in the situation you're in is "WELL IT'S YOUR FAULT!". When the boomers die off they're really going to be pathetically irrelevant.
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FuzzySkinner posted:When the boomers die off they're really going to be pathetically irrelevant. We hope. I'm more afraid of what the GOP will morph into or be replaced by in the future. Will the Democratic party assume that position while a more progressive party takes its place as the left? Or will the GOP morph into the Tea Party or something else...or worse?
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Then she sent me this. I think I lost this exchange. quote:John McCain Was For Trading Taliban Prisoners For Sgt. Bergdahl Before He Was Against It Flip-flopping on both sides, but McCain clearly knew about it. E: No big deal! There is also this reporting The Taliban was threatening to murder Bowe if the details of the exchange were released to the public. And the prisoners ended up sequestered in Qatar for a year after release. Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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beatlegs posted:It's funny, conservatives pay so much more attention to what celebrities say than liberals do. They obsess over it as the true enemy of their movement, I guess as a way of distracting themselves from the reality that they're loving wrong about everything all the time. They also have this very weird notion of how culture works, and they believe that people (ahem, sheeple) are only liberal because they want to emulate their showbiz heroes, so if the equivalent of George Clooney or Brad Pitt came out as conservative, then millions of Americans would switch their party affiliations overnight.
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Isn't Robert Downey Jr vocally conservative? Following that Rihanna hater's logic, shouldn't his MAGICAL A-LIST STAR POWER manipulate thousands of malleable nerd minds into voting straight-ticket Republican?
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Sir Tonk posted:I also don't get people that are against it in cases up incest/rape, that's loving crazy. It doesn't have to be anything more than foolish consistency in beliefs. Certain people have to be consistent in their belief that abortion is wrong, even if the outcome under certain circumstances is absurd. The same way a libertarian who believes that markets are self-clearing, so government intervention is harmful, also believes that government regulation in any manner- in food safety, for example- is harmful, even when the result of this belief is people being killed by easily preventable food-borne illnesses. This is why I hate it when people say "At least they're consistent!" of libertarians.
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beatlegs posted:It's funny, conservatives pay so much more attention to what celebrities say than liberals do. They obsess over it as the true enemy of their movement, I guess as a way of distracting themselves from the reality that they're loving wrong about everything all the time. This is incredibly true, I never pay attention or hear about any of this crap some random celebrity says/endorse until I hear a conservative bitch about it like its the end of the world and how I need to stop worshiping these evil leftist celebrities.
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I think about the only time I take a celebrities POV serious is when they're discussing something like gay rights. For someone like say, Stone Cold Steve Austin to come out in support of gay rights I think damages a lot of anti-gay causes because of what he's supposed to represent. On the other hand, when Adrian Peterson was against gay rights ,INSTANTLY the AMA came to his support.
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beatlegs posted:It's funny, conservatives pay so much more attention to what celebrities say than liberals do. They obsess over it as the true enemy of their movement, I guess as a way of distracting themselves from the reality that they're loving wrong about everything all the time. I think there is really something to the idea that Conservatives and Liberals process reality in completely different ways. The research on this topic is still in its infancy, but from my completely layman's perspective seems to be promising. Speaking from my own personal experiences being raised in a proto Tea Party cult, it makes sense. The people I grew up around got all their views and ideas from people they perceived as moral authorities of one form or another. This went hand in hand with their ideas about entertainment as well. Entertainment wasn't supposed to be just relaxing, there was a much deeper significance there. Your entire environment was meant to reinforce "truth" and the act of choosing to watch an entertainer meant also embracing that entertainers truth. Since the entertainer was in a de-facto position of authority, it was expected that you would embrace their ideas as readily as you enjoyed their act. There was no distinction between the music of an entertainer and the "truth" that informed that music. All entertainment was thus more akin to a morality play than anything else, in their mindset. By listening to Metallica you also accept the (supposed) Satanism of Metallica into yourself, transforming you into a Satanist. In this mindset if someone is popular it is because a large number of people like them. This means liking both whatever they are famous for, and liking whatever beliefs they may have. Thusly if Rihanna says Israel bad, then her fans automatically accept that Israel is bad. If they didn't accept that Israel was bad, then they would also stop being her fans. It is a worldview almost totally devoid of nuance.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:It doesn't have to be anything more than foolish consistency in beliefs. Certain people have to be consistent in their belief that abortion is wrong, even if the outcome under certain circumstances is absurd. The same way a libertarian who believes that markets are self-clearing, so government intervention is harmful, also believes that government regulation in any manner- in food safety, for example- is harmful, even when the result of this belief is people being killed by easily preventable food-borne illnesses. I've done this before, but more as a joke since I've never met a full-on libertarian. They always fail the test at some point, be it abortion, FDA, EPA, DOE, or whatever program they don't want to be rid of entirely.
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