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Yeah the Ric Flair thing in WCW befuddles me even now and no one seems to have a straight answer. Certain guys disliked Flair because he has what they perceive to be a very formulaic style, which is the pot calling the kettle black, especially in WCW, and doubly so when that accusation is coming out of people like Nash and other guys who don't give two shits about workrate anyway. And this is sort of where the average wrestler's self-importance shines through. Every loving wrestler, from Bret/Benoit/Austin on down, works a routine shtick in the ring, several spots that they do right in a row. Even complicated PPV matches use the routines as a baseline in almost all cases, at least on WWE/WCW shows. That's just what's done. If you were working in Stampede Wrestling and were really good, you probably did a different match every night, but that's about it. I can only guess that Ric just made the wrong friends in WCW. He was generally hugely over everywhere, no matter how many schemes they came up with to bury him. He could make them all sorts of money and was no less qualified to headline shows than just about anyone in the NWO. I guess the thought was that there were not even spots to around, so gently caress Ric and the horsemen, who were a lot of the major competition for those spots.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I guess the thought was that there were not even spots to around, so gently caress Ric and the horsemen, who were a lot of the major competition for those spots. This kind of makes me wonder if WCW should have gone with that idea from around the time of the first Souled Out PPV, where they were going to do a brand split into NWO and WCW shows. I mean yeah the NWO show would have been as dogshit as Souled Out was, but you would at least have the opportunity to (in an ideal situation) spread everyone around enough so one group doesn't have to keep everyone else down to keep their spot.
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Golden Bee posted:Eric had a $3 Fedex coupon.
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Dario the Wop posted:Isn't that why Elizabeth ended up quitting?
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Anyone have the picture of that awesome unmade Sting Starrcade '97 shirt from the blog of that artist who did their merchandise?
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Say Nothing posted:Didn't Bischoff fire Syxx to 'send a message to the locker room'? Waltman was off injured and I can't recall any reason being given for his firing.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Yeah the Ric Flair thing in WCW befuddles me even now and no one seems to have a straight answer. I think in Bischoff's eyes Flair represented the Rasslin' and NWA of the past, and Bischoff wanted to be cool and cutting edge. None of the old-school style solid color trunks grapplers from the NWA days really fared that well in the nWo era, and the ones that did OK were totally repackaged. This is all just speculation on my part based on Bischoff's personality. *Edit* Of course, I'm not including new guys that came on the scene like Goldberg here. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Let's not get stuck in the past, let's remember tonight is about the future of wrestling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF8yP8BW_Vc http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling
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MassRafTer posted:Let's not get stuck in the past, let's remember tonight is about the future of wrestling.
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Dario the Wop posted:WCW put out an ad. Midajah was a bodybuilder and model, as were the other four girls they brought in. One of them, Kim Kanner, quit after they wanted her to report to the Power Plant to wrestle. To be fair, they were paying Elizabeth too much money to be a valet. Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Is there a particular reason they treated Flair like such poo poo when they weren't actively neglecting him, or was it just the general "WWF guys are better than our guys" attitude at its peak? OneThousandMonkeys posted:Yeah the Ric Flair thing in WCW befuddles me even now and no one seems to have a straight answer. Flair's fortunes in WCW rose and fell several times over many years, so it wasn't just about problems with one administration. Of course, the common factor in all your failed relationships is you, so it wouldn't surprise me if his own personality issues played a part. But Flair is a guy who can get himself over anywhere, and he's not a company man. Promoters hate this. On the one hand, when they have a white-hot star they tend to just stay the course as if things are never going to change. On the other hand, they naturally resist relying on the talent and wish that the company was a bigger draw than any one star. You can see it in the WWE now. Flair got bumped out of the head booking position even though he was booking great, successful shows because corporate felt he wasn't turning business around fast enough, and because he wouldn't derail his plan to pass the title to Sting in favour of Lex Luger. Jim Herd wanted Flair out because he thought Flair was too old and too expensive. Bill Watts brought Flair back because fans were literally crying out for him, and reruns of his matches were doing better ratings than the current product. He started out on good terms with Bischoff, I believe, because he was instrumental in getting Hogan into the company. I think the problem there was not so much personal as it was that Flair had come to embody WCW, and Bischoff wrote the nWo vs. WCW angles like a little kid writing his favourite comic book, with his team winning all the time. Under Bischoff's reign he was basically a victim of his own success, because his drawing power scared Nash and Hogan, who were tight with Bischoff and had creative control.
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triplexpac posted:I was a teenager at the time and thought the New Blood was super cool, so I think I was 100% Vince Russo's target audience. Same here, and I figured the New Blood/Millionaire's Club angle was supposed to cater to me, but it totally missed the point. Then again, it could had been a layered angle, New Blood for smarks, Millionaire's Club for marks, which is stupid, but not too stupid for Russo. I had to watch WCW, I was dependent on Croatian cable TV, which was shady and unorganized at the time, your cable provider basically gave you a selection of European satellite TV channels, and it was a matter of luck what you'd get. In late '99 I was left without a channel where I could follow the WWF on a regular basis, and after some time, around the summer of 2000 I guess, I just stopped watching wrestling, because WCW was all I had left and it was terrible at the time. I'm still catching up with all the stuff I missed, at least I got that now. Recently I watched a couple of Nitros from '97, and then skipped to 2000 just to see the difference, and the 2000 version of Nitro is an incredible clusterfuck. I couldn't finish one episode, even though I was ready to analyze every little thing that's wrong about it, while the '97 Nitros, I watched a couple of those in a row. Two totally different shows.
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Wait, how is Ric Flair not a company man? He stuck with Jim Crockett/WCW for 26 years and constantly put JCP, Jim and David Crocket, etc over in every NWA promo he ever did. The only reason he even left WCW for a couple years is because he was fired for not taking a paycut, shaving his head and changing his name to "Spartacus".
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Maybe back then, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a company man during his 2001-2008 & 2012-now WWE runs, and his 2010-2012 TNA run. He's become a full-blown alcoholic that can't be trusted on the mic in front of a live camera anymore. He's millions of dollars in debt, which makes things very difficult for his employers, like the several times Vince paid his state and federal back taxes to the tune of $100,000+ to keep him out of jail. He seems to regularly be the plaintiff or the defendant in assault and domestic abuse cases with any of the three wives he's had over the last ten years, as well as random people. And he's been involved with incidents like the "Plain Ride from Hell" and "Orlando Jordan's Boyfriend" I'm sure most people have seen this, but it's relevant: Grantland - The Wrestler in Real Life: Ric Flair's long, steady decline
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Just because he wasn't in WWE and TNA (who would be a company man there morons that's who) doesn't mean he wasn't the poster boy for wrestling company men for three decades prior.
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I don't mean that as a knock, just that he didn't hang around in a company regardless of his feuds, position on the card, or the direction they were taking his gimmick, at least not to the same extent as, for example, the Undertaker. When he's booking or at a main event level, he also seems to be more proactive in trying to exercise creative control, unlike, say, John Cena. He left the WWF on good terms because he had dropped to the midcard and WCW offered him lots of money to come back with great fanfare, and he did the job on the way out like a pro. He stuck with WCW through some truly awful and humiliating angles under Russo's direction--my SWAG is that for a wrestler still performing at his age, he was being paid good money to work stupid skits and few matches, sit at home for awhile, and come back when they didn't know what else to do.
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I wonder how Flair's jump to WWF back in the early 90s would have gone over if PSP was around back then.
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Paulocaust posted:Just because he wasn't in WWE and TNA (who would be a company man there morons that's who) doesn't mean he wasn't the poster boy for wrestling company men for three decades prior. Did you happen to ignore the very first sentence of my post?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Did you happen to ignore the very first sentence of my post? No moron I ignored the whole thing
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Okay, you're just adorable.
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Paulocaust posted:Wait, how is Ric Flair not a company man? He stuck with Jim Crockett/WCW for 26 years and constantly put JCP, Jim and David Crocket, etc over in every NWA promo he ever did. The only reason he even left WCW for a couple years is because he was fired for not taking a paycut, shaving his head and changing his name to "Spartacus". The Spartacus thing was earlier, the 1991 firing was over pay and dropping the belt.
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This day in WCW History: The Sturgis Screwjob happened and allowed Hollywood "Scum" Hogan to regain the WCW title from "The Total Package" Lex Luger.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Maybe back then, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a company man during his 2001-2008 & 2012-now WWE runs, and his 2010-2012 TNA run. He's become a full-blown alcoholic that can't be trusted on the mic in front of a live camera anymore. He's millions of dollars in debt, which makes things very difficult for his employers, like the several times Vince paid his state and federal back taxes to the tune of $100,000+ to keep him out of jail. He seems to regularly be the plaintiff or the defendant in assault and domestic abuse cases with any of the three wives he's had over the last ten years, as well as random people. And he's been involved with incidents like the "Plain Ride from Hell" and "Orlando Jordan's Boyfriend" Jesus, that's a depressing read.
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In just over an hour it is BUFF BAGWELL ON QVC! The video is uploaded, it is processed, it works in sync, it will happen! 8 PM! http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling Need a reason to watch? Buff blows this moment from the first one out of the water! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wEjoi61g04
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I have nothing to say to that except Buff is the stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7awnRAdbPk
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Luigi Thirty posted:I have nothing to say to that except Buff is the stuff Are you able to get enough?
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It's Hollywood "SCUM" Hogan's birthday today, anyone find the Hogan raft yet? It would be a present to us all.
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Flair basically said in his autobiography that once he entered his teenage years, he more or less WAS Ric Flair. The man simply could not separate himself from the gimmick. He wanted life to be nothing but endless partying and indulgence. You see the end result.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Flair basically said in his autobiography that once he entered his teenage years, he more or less WAS Ric Flair. The man simply could not separate himself from the gimmick. He wanted life to be nothing but endless partying and indulgence. You see the end result.
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LividLiquid posted:Dude survived a plane crash and decided that money didn't matter and that having a good time is all there is to life. Yeah, it all worked out great for him, such a mindset.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Yeah, it all worked out great for him, such a mindset. To be fair, hes outlived how many of his peers?
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MassRafTer posted:
What is he even saying? "My mom was caramelanan and was kinda built for this"?
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Cornwind Evil posted:Yeah, it all worked out great for him, such a mindset. I don't think he was really expecting to get as far in life as he has. It's the mindset of someone who thinks that they're not going to make it past 40, and then when you do it's just one bad decision after another. That Grantland piece on his affairs is sobering.
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astrollinthepork posted:What is he even saying? "My mom was caramelanan and was kinda built for this"?
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Ric Flair has lived an incredible life and I'm sure the only thing he wishes he could change is his son dying. The guy lived the dream.
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Paulocaust posted:Ric Flair has lived an incredible life and I'm sure the only thing he wishes he could change is his son dying. The guy lived the dream.
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Endorph posted:Are seventeen divorces part of the dream? Don't divorce shame
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DrVenkman posted:That Grantland piece on his affairs is sobering. maybe he should watch it sometime
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sk posted:maybe he should watch it sometime 
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