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Slaan posted:So how, exactly, does Clancy weaponize the Ebola in these books? It is really, really hard for Ebola to spread in human populations. The only reason its a major thing right now is because 1)West Africans are highly undereducated and 2)there are no resources (like latex gloves, nonetheless impermeable clothing) at the hospitals. All you need to not get ebola is to follow a basic set of hygiene rules. The only western physicians who have contracted ebola have done so only because they worked on patients who had ebola before they knew it was ebola. The first time it's used is when the United Islamic Republic in Executive Orders is formed from Iran annexing an Iraq that never had a US invasion, and they get hold of ebola in order to attack and cripple the US so it can't intervene when they invade and conquer Saudi Arabia. They target trade shows, conventions, major airports, etc. Ultimately, the US imposes a nationwide quarantine and the epidemic withers and dies with only a thousand or so dead while a small group of National Guard and an Army unit isolated at a desert training facility thrash a UIR army several times their size. The second time it crops up is in Rainbow Six where the aforementioned hippie megacorp is a biomedical corporation that grabs an aid worker who contracts it and fakes her death, then cultures the ebola in her body and later remains. They manage to increase its environmental tolerances through science mostly handwaved and their master plan is to spread it via a mist fogging system during the summer Olympics, then distribute a fake serum that actually contains the virus as a second strike. Most of the megacorp's personnel are shot by the good guys, and the rest forced to strip naked, have all the products of modern civilization taken from them, and then abandoned deep in the Amazon jungle as poetic justice.
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Anecdotal post incoming. I live in St. Augustine, FL and overheard these three old ladies yesterday while having lunch in a lovely Thai place. They were going on and on about poo poo that I guess they heard from "Obama'a America" and that other piece of poo poo DVD that made the rounds at election time. It was clear from what I overheard that Obama is: - A Muslim - A Communist - Has no legal Birth Certificate - Hates America It was all I could do not do engage these old bats. It made me sad because I know that they believe it all. They were talking about Obama's REAL father, how he SAID IN HIS OWN BOOK that he's a Muslim, how "Hannity and Rush Limbaugh TRIED to get it out there" and how no one would cover it. It still makes me sad to think about it. Even more sad than the lovely service and horrible food I had. They just got everything SO WRONG and were SO CONVINCED. "This story has been out since 2002! Even before Obama became a Senator! How he GOT to be a Senator is beyond me." etc. I wanted start by asking them how he could be a Muslim when he attended Jeremiah Wright's Church for 24 years but I lacked the will and the energy. Plus, I had my wife and 3 year old child with me, but the depth and scope of the things they got wrong really boiled my blood because it seemed so positively ingrained. The only solace I could take from the whole, lovely meal was knowing they'd be dead soon.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:28
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McDowell posted:The evil environmentalists in 'Rainbow Six' run a multinational that does security and biotech, which gives them the resources to develop a very robust strain and infect a bunch of people at the Sydney Olympics. Following the pandemic they would then release a 'vaccine' that would kill more people than the initial infection. Cythereal posted:They manage to increase its environmental tolerances through science mostly handwaved and their master plan is to spread it via a mist fogging system during the summer Olympics, then distribute a fake serum that actually contains the virus as a second strike. Hey, I guessed the delivery mechanism! Not that this is incredibly hard to do, seeing as its Clancy. I was hoping for something a bit more.. eccentric though. I love how its the environmentalists who are the bad guys here, too. 
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Aug 7, 2014 20:29
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Slaan posted:Hey, I guessed the delivery mechanism! Not that this is incredibly hard to do, seeing as its Clancy. I was hoping for something a bit more.. eccentric though. An environmentalist megacorporation. The guy in charge of the whole thing is a billionaire playboy who secretly worships nature and plans to wipe out the human race.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:36
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Cythereal posted:The rest forced to strip naked, have all the products of modern civilization taken from them, and then abandoned deep in the Amazon jungle as poetic justice. Cythereal posted:An environmentalist megacorporation. The guy in charge of the whole thing is a billionaire playboy who secretly worships nature and plans to wipe out the human race.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:37
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Tender Bender posted:So why is Ebola being used as a partisan issue? ... I dunno why "False reports of a deadly virus" are now something that conservatives need to defend but this seems to be the case and I can't figure it out. Because it's fear. Conservative media thrives on fear and rage. It basically doesn't matter that it doesn't have political content. It's the worldview. Find something to fear, point at your enemy and rage. Repeat.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:41
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FMguru posted:A ha ha ha ha, it's like something straight out of a Freeper's revenge porn fantasy. Well done, Clancy. Tom Clancy went off the deep end starting with Debt of Honor and it just gets worse as it goes on. Rainbow Six is a guilty pleasure for me, though I usually stop reading after the part where the IRA attacks a hospital just outside SAS headquarters.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:45
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Cythereal posted:Tom Clancy went off the deep end starting with Debt of Honor and it just gets worse as it goes on. Rainbow Six is a guilty pleasure for me, though I usually stop reading after the part where the IRA attacks a hospital just outside SAS headquarters. Isn't Rainbow Six about the time he switched to hiring ghostwriters for everything?
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Shear Modulus posted:Isn't Rainbow Six about the time he just hired ghostwriters for everything? I think it was the first licensed game tie-in, so most likely yeah. That was a good game, too.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:48
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quote:Russell Moore, the head of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, tried to restrain himself on Instagram: “I have no words for this. Actually I think I do but the Holy Spirit won’t let me say them.” This is really hilarious.
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Aug 7, 2014 21:07
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It's especially weird that Ebola is suddenly political because its not new. The outbreak in the 90's or whenever was like 10 times worse than this and I don't seem to remember it ever seeming to be political.
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Gozinbulx posted:It's especially weird that Ebola is suddenly political because its not new. The outbreak in the 90's or whenever was like 10 times worse than this and I don't seem to remember it ever seeming to be political. A Kenyan-Muslim* wasn't POTUS then. *You know what I mean 
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Gozinbulx posted:It's especially weird that Ebola is suddenly political because its not new. The outbreak in the 90's or whenever was like 10 times worse than this and I don't seem to remember it ever seeming to be political. This is by far the worst outbreak in history already.
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Aug 7, 2014 21:42
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WoodrowSkillson posted:This is by far the worst outbreak in history already. ... it is? I was young when the first one happened but I thought it was enormous, and encompassed more land area.
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Aug 7, 2014 21:43
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Everything is political now. Every single thing that happens is an excuse for an anti-Obama talking point.
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Aug 7, 2014 21:43
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Gozinbulx posted:... it is? I was young when the first one happened but I thought it was enormous, and encompassed more land area. The worst one prior to now infected 450 some people and killed 250 of them. There have already been like 1800 confirmed cases and almost 1000 deaths now, with many more certainly unreported. This is also the first one to ever cross borders.
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Aug 7, 2014 21:47
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Tender Bender posted:So why is Ebola being used as a partisan issue? Is it really just "Obama and the Democrats should be blamed for anything bad that happens anywhere."? You already know the answer to this. Plus it ties into their whole America-first, no-immigrants narrative (which is let down a bit if you bother to check who's been against every recent domestic program.)
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Cythereal posted:An environmentalist megacorporation. The guy in charge of the whole thing is a billionaire playboy who secretly worships nature and plans to wipe out the human race. Oh god, that sounds like something out of a JRPG. "Humans are greedy and selfish and destroying the world! So they should all be killed to save nature!" *Builds superweapon to crack the planet in two*
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right loving now posted:HELLO HANNITY NATION, THIS IS OLLIVER NORTH STANDING IN FOR SEAN HANNITY TODAY.... oh mother of mercy....
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AcidRonin posted:
Probably won't be as bad as when he has Lindsey Graham on. That dude just straight up called for RAHOWA for 3 hours. It was amazing.
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Oh lord. The NYT Magazine this week has its cover article about the hot new political movement that's a huge hit with all the kids - Libertarianism! http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/magazine/has-the-libertarian-moment-finally-arrived.html?_r=0 It's roughly a million words long and reading it will make you dumber. Let me just put a couple of quotes here: quote:“Let’s say Ron Paul is Nirvana,” said Kennedy, the television personality and former MTV host, by way of explaining the sort of politician who excites libertarians like herself. “Like, the coolest, most amazing thing to come along in years, and the songs are nebulous but somehow meaningful, and the lead singer kills himself to preserve the band’s legacy. quote:Nick Gillespie is to libertarianism what Lou Reed is to rock ‘n’ roll, the quintessence of its outlaw spirit. He is 50, a former writer for teen and heavy-metal magazines, habitually garbed in black from head to toe, wry and mournful in expression, a tormented romantic who quotes Jack Kerouac. quote:Arrayed before Gillespie were several boxes of exotically flavored Pop-Tarts that he had purchased at the Lancaster grocery store. He held them up as evidence that individualism was flourishing and choices were in abundance or, as he put it, “The libertarian moment is now.”
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Please always preface noted war criminal Oliver North's name with 'noted war criminal,' thank you god bless. I think it would ruin the fidelity of a quote, though.
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Aug 7, 2014 23:27
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Mods, change my name to Ron Paul is Nirvana.
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FMguru posted:Oh lord. The NYT Magazine this week has its cover article about the hot new political movement that's a huge hit with all the kids - Libertarianism! Kids these days listen to pop music, EDM and rap. Radio rock seems to have pretty much keeled over and died 10 years ago. comparing the up-and-coming political movement doesn't really seem to make much sense icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Welp, looks like Republicans have a new celebrity to add to their ranks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFnFXFAK3NQ quote:"You don't start wars. They were told to get out," she continued."They didn't get out. You don't get out, you are an idiot. At least the ones that were killed were the ones with low IQs."
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icantfindaname posted:Kids these days listen to pop music, EDM and rap. Radio rock seems to have pretty much keeled over and died 10 years ago Saying people listen to pop music is redundant, pop music is a genre essentially defined by being the popular music of the time.
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beatlegs posted:Welp, looks like Republicans have a new celebrity to add to their ranks. Thought she was talking about the US from the quote there. 
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FMguru posted:Nick Gillespie is to libertarianism what Lou Reed is to rock ‘n’ roll, the quintessence of its outlaw spirit. He is 50, a former writer for teen and heavy-metal magazines, habitually garbed in black from head to toe, wry and mournful in expression, a tormented romantic who quotes Jack Kerouac. Otherwise known as "that leather jacket idiot who was on Real Time a bunch before you became smart enough to stop watching it"
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Don't read this if you don't want the plot and ending to a huge, lovely Clancy novel spoiled. I (am ashamed to admit that) read the Clancy novel where the main plot was introducing ebola to the US. It's the first book where Jack Ryan reluctantly becomes POTUS. It was a very long, and drawn-out process in the plot. Start with a bunch of ebola monkeys. Kill them all and extract their kidneys, and place said kidneys in a nutrient soup to grow hella ebola. Fill aerosol cans with a liquid made of this ebola/kidney soup. Test it on a room full of prisoners and see if they get ebola. They do? LALALLALAALLALALA!!! Take the cans to public events in the USA like car shows, set them on a timer and leave. Ebola outbreak, freak the gently caress out! The book literally ended with Jack Ryan giving a televised speech. In it, he talked about the foreign leader/general who hatched this plot and also a plot to murder him with a sleeper Secret Service agent (they stopped him by taking his clothes and sidearm to force him into a decontamination shower, and switched out his magazine with blanks while he was in there, so when he pulled the gun and tried to start killing everybody no one was hurt and he was apprehended with great Justice. The blanks were because he'd "know the difference of the weight of the pistol if it didn't have any rounds in it" and not make the attempt.) During the address, Ryan talks about what will happen to those who attempt such poo poo on his watch. TV feed cuts to the enemy dude's house, in Iran or wherever, in Infra-red or maybe it was night-vision. Bad guy is inside, watching the address. Ryan announces that a bigass laser-guided air-to-ground missile is about to level this house, because that is how we roll, now. Bad guy is seen fleeing the front door just as the whole place goes up. America is #1. I did not make any of this up.
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I feel like I just gained a deeper insight into the American Conservative mind.
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FMguru posted:Oh lord. The NYT Magazine this week has its cover article about the hot new political movement that's a huge hit with all the kids - Libertarianism! "Libertarianism" is all about image and gloss and thinking of yourself as "cool" cuz you're not on one side or the other. You're an iconoclast, man, with a rock and roll attitude and "gently caress political correctness" philosophy. You're just too cool for school! And then when someone delves down into the actual policies you support, they learn it's basically FYGM Republicanism (minus a few social issues). Buzz kill.
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FMguru posted:Oh lord. The NYT Magazine this week has its cover article about the hot new political movement that's a huge hit with all the kids - Libertarianism! I take nothing else from this but that people who follow fads tend to follow new fads like libertarianism and artisinal pop tarts. Also, at this point journalism is dead. There's no reason to do stories about bitcoin taking the world by storm or libertarianism taking the world by storm, but here we are. Any minute now people are going to start massively voting against their own interests in really tangible and direct ways to make the libertarian utopia possible.
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beatlegs posted:"Libertarianism" is all about image and gloss and thinking of yourself as "cool" cuz you're not on one side or the other. You're an iconoclast, man, with a rock and roll attitude and "gently caress political correctness" philosophy. You're just too cool for school! But more specifically it's about the whitest of white, oldest of old, FYGM-est of FYGM conservatives rebranding their image to attempt to look hip and ending up being 10 years behind what young people actually act like. They're comparing it to loving Pearl Jam, a band whose peak was in, what, 2001?
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Evil Sagan posted:I feel like I just gained a deeper insight into the American Conservative mind. Fantasies about dropping sick burns while you kill people in lieu of making an actual point: yeah, sounds about right.
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Did Clancy actually care that the movie adaptations of his books all turn Jack Ryan into a moderate lib trying to prevent bloodshed instead of glorying in it? Hell, in Sum of All Fears the villains are a coalition of the rightest of right-wing cabals setting Russia and the US against each other to rule the ashes, which I doubt was in the original book.
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icantfindaname posted:Kids these days listen to pop music, EDM and rap. Radio rock seems to have pretty much keeled over and died 10 years ago. comparing the up-and-coming political movement doesn't really seem to make much sense People aren't listening to  style stuff but saying people don't listen to rock is silly.
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computer parts posted:People aren't listening to right now I take great offense to the first part of this sentence, and the misspelling in the name of the smilie.Just a reminder that Dave Mustaine probably loves Fox News and other right-wing media outlets, and wrote an album about something Alex Jones rambles on about. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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FMguru posted:Oh lord. The NYT Magazine this week has its cover article about the hot new political movement that's a huge hit with all the kids - Libertarianism! But I love all three of those bands. ARGH! Also Kurt would have called Ron Paul a douche. Dude was liberal as gently caress.
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