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tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

did i mention my new job is going to involve maintaining ruby (but not rails) code

not sure how i feel about this

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:26

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# ? May 22, 2024 15:01

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Introduce Erlang to yer team :getin:

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:27

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

what else are you looking for in your ideal programming hell mr. tef

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:28

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

MononcQc posted:

"Notorious damme of the B.S.D. has fallen ill after looking past the hedges of her IDEs, my lord"
"Send a rmaven to town and ask the doctor for leeches from the island of Java, it's the only cure!"

lol

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:29

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

tef posted:

did i mention my new job is going to involve maintaining ruby (but not rails) code

not sure how i feel about this

i am of the completely uninformed and wildly speculative opinion that you're going to be surprisingly happy with your new digs

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:32

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

MononcQc posted:

"Notorious damme of the B.S.D. has fallen ill after looking past the hedges of her IDEs, my lord"
"Send a rmaven to town and ask the doctor for leeches from the island of Java, it's the only cure!"

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:47

compuserved: Mar 20, 2006; Nap Ghost

my stepdads beer posted:

please list your good langauges

fortran

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:55

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

my stepdads beer posted:

please list your good langauges

there are none

# ? Aug 8, 2014 13:58

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

my stepdads beer posted:

please list your good langauges

68k asm is kinda neat

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:25

HORATIO HORNBLOWER: Sep 21, 2002; no ambition,
no talent,
no chance

Dessert Rose posted:

if i prefer to keep my code under 80 columns

it's not the 70s anymore, let this bullshit go forever pls tia

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:27

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:

it's not the 70s anymore, let this bullshit go forever pls tia

seriously why the gently caress is that a thing anymore. i can split-screen two 80 column files and still have a ton of wasted space. gently caress you i make my lines as long as they need to be

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:30

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

Tiny Bug Child posted:

seriously why the gently caress is that a thing anymore. i can split-screen two 80 column files and still have a ton of wasted space. gently caress you i make my lines as long as they need to be

but can you split screen three 80 column files??? :colbert:

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:32

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

yeah actually. <3 my thunderbolt monitor

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:33

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

tef posted:

did i mention my new job is going to involve maintaining ruby (but not rails) code

not sure how i feel about this

i loved the job i had maintaining non-rails ruby. its a really easy language to work with imo

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:39

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

tef posted:

did i mention my new job is going to involve maintaining ruby (but not rails) code

not sure how i feel about this

grep the source tree for method_missing first thing imo :v

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:41

ShadowHawk: Jun 25, 2000; CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Tiny Bug Child posted:

seriously why the gently caress is that a thing anymore. i can split-screen two 80 column files and still have a ton of wasted space. gently caress you i make my lines as long as they need to be

Or just get a second monitor

seriously this is the dumbest part of the PEP-8 "style guide" that needs to be violated constantly

# ? Aug 8, 2014 14:42

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Tiny Bug Child posted:

seriously why the gently caress is that a thing anymore. i can split-screen two 80 column files and still have a ton of wasted space. gently caress you i make my lines as long as they need to be

you put your finger on why 80 column limits are a thing: I want to be able to split-screen two 80-column files and still have space for my web browser or terminal session

for php clusterfucks with 5,000 line files i end up having two windows looking at different parts of the same file

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:09

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

ShadowHawk posted:

Or just get a second monitor

seriously this is the dumbest part of the PEP-8 "style guide" that needs to be violated constantly

yes that makes perfect sense, i'll just get multiple monitors and attach them to my laptop rather than make my coworkers adhere to a style guide

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:09

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

MononcQc posted:

"Notorious damme of the B.S.D. has fallen ill after looking past the hedges of her IDEs, my lord"
"Send a rmaven to town and ask the doctor for leeches from the island of Java, it's the only cure!"

joke's on you

i'm an emacs user :q:

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:10

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Otto Skorzeny posted:

grep the source tree for method_missing first thing imo :v

this is unironically good advice, because often where you find method_missing is the heart for method dispatch to the whole library/application

but use ack instead of grep, because it is at least marginally code-aware. (no more grep -r thing . | grep -v .git, at least)
http://beyondgrep.com/

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:11

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

yeah i actually think line length limits are Good but 80 is a little small in tyool 2014, probably could do 100-120 and still be fine

alternatively if there were an editor plugin i could install that would wrap lines in a non-hideous manner i'd be ok with no limits

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:13

ShadowHawk: Jun 25, 2000; CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

yes that makes perfect sense, i'll just get multiple monitors and attach them to my laptop rather than make my coworkers adhere to a style guide

yes that makes perfect sense I'll enforce a standard of less readable code rather than buy simple equipment to put on the desk I use for my actual job

I mean seriously this is like buying a 2 dollar mouse and then insisting that no program at work require a scroll wheel

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:15

ShadowHawk: Jun 25, 2000; CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Mr. Glass posted:

yeah i actually think line length limits are Good but 80 is a little small in tyool 2014, probably could do 100-120 and still be fine

alternatively if there were an editor plugin i could install that would wrap lines in a non-hideous manner i'd be ok with no limits

tbf I agree with this, 80 is just way too small (120 is 50% larger and still only half the screen on larger displays/smaller font sizes!)

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:16

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

i think with 100 i could still fit 3 buffers side by side on my 24" monitor

i usually like to have the .h, the .cpp and the unit test all open side by side (i mostly work in c++ ugh)

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:18

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

ShadowHawk posted:

yes that makes perfect sense I'll enforce a standard of less readable code rather than buy simple equipment to put on the desk I use for my actual job

what if i want to work somewhere that isn't my desk? you know, on the laptop, that i carry everywhere, that cost my employer a bloody fortune?

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:19

ShadowHawk: Jun 25, 2000; CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

what if i want to work somewhere that isn't my desk? you know, on the laptop, that i carry everywhere, that cost my employer a bloody fortune?

sorry about your working conditions where desks are unproductive

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:24

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

programming on a laptop is self-flagellation

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:53

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Narrow lines are more readable and aesthetically pleasing. If your lines are regularly longer than 80 chars then that's also a bad sign and u need to decompose them a bit more (it is a legit pain in the rear end for printf type statements tho).

I'm always OCD about it in my own code but I'm not going to bitch at other people who don't care about it.

now if only I could find a text editor that intelligently wrapped code in accordance with that rule.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 15:59

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Mr Dog posted:

If your lines are regularly longer than 80 chars then that's also a bad sign and u need to decompose them a bit more (it is a legit pain in the rear end for printf type statements tho).

my main problem w/ 80 chars is that it doesnt play well with long, descriptive names. you can blow through 80 chars just instantiating a generic type in C# (gently caress you C# where's my diamond operator) and its even worse in java (gently caress you java where's my var)

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:08

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

80 characters is narrow as poo poo and basically makes it impossible to put a sql query on one line. and if your tabs are correctly set at 8 characters wide, you pretty much always lose 10-20% of the available width right off the bat

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:10

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

Tiny Bug Child posted:

80 characters is narrow as poo poo and basically makes it impossible to put a sql query on one line.

omg why would you want to do this in the first place

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:11

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Mr. Glass posted:

omg why would you want to do this in the first place

because sometimes it's perfectly fine? like, say you want to get the count of members from a certain affiliate. why is it bad to just go

$count = DB::get("SELECT COUNT(*) FROM members WHERE affiliate_id=?", $affiliate_id);

how would you improve that

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:13

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

that seems fine, any more complex than that though i would want to break up into multiple lines to make it more readable

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:18

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

code:

$count = DB::get(
    "SELECT COUNT(*)
     FROM   members
     WHERE  affiliate_id = ?",
    $affiliate_id
);

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:22

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

haha. sql in your code. very funny

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:23

Mr. Glass: May 1, 2009

prefect posted:

code:

$count = DB::get(
    "SELECT COUNT(*)
     FROM   members
     WHERE  affiliate_id = ?",
    $affiliate_id
);

this is more readable to me but with a query that short it's a matter of taste

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:24

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

prefect posted:

code:

$count = DB::get(
    "SELECT COUNT(*)
     FROM   members
     WHERE  affiliate_id = ?",
    $affiliate_id
);

this is not an improvement.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:24

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

what if i want to work somewhere that isn't my desk? you know, on the laptop, that i carry everywhere, that cost my employer a bloody fortune?

kleave me out of this

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:27

Damiya: Jul 3, 2012

Tiny Bug Child posted:

this is not an improvement.

tbc was wrong

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# ? May 22, 2024 15:01

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

my lines are arbitrarily long

this is good

because then i can stuff 1024-element LUTs inline and the only way you know theyre there is when the IDE starts struggling real hard

# ? Aug 8, 2014 16:28

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