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Can Labour win next year without the backing of the Murdoch press though?
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They can, but they're so incompetent that they think that they can't.
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Aug 7, 2014 23:24
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Alan Johnson would be a better Shadow Chancellor. The Tories are going to run on mined quotes from Harman and Balls to rubbish their economic credentials. Johnson, on the other hand, has been kept out of the limelight, and wasn't that bad in the three months he was in the post.
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Aug 8, 2014 00:53
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tdrules posted:Can Labour win next year without the backing of the Murdoch press though? The Tories barely won with their backing this time round. The playing field is changing and the presses power is diminishing. Labour could play this to their advantage ("The Tories and their pals in the media vs the people's party"), but there's so much entrenched fear of the press in Westminster that I doubt they'd go for it. Also be interesting to see what the Guardian does this time round. Their readership utterly hate the lib dems, surely the paper can't continue to support them? winegums fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Aug 8, 2014 02:38
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the Daily Mail is not a Murdoch publication but it has a lot of politically-relevant readers (i.e., upper to middle class women) and arguably has a better ability to summon populism than the Labour party, or really any party
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Aug 8, 2014 05:28
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Unpatriotic toddlers are doubleplus ungood: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/08/nicky-morgan-toddler-must-be-taught-british-valuesquote:Children still in nappies will be taught "fundamental British values," according to a policy announcement to be made by the new education secretary, Nicky Morgan.
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Aug 8, 2014 09:01
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Unpatriotic toddlers are doubleplus ungood: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/08/nicky-morgan-toddler-must-be-taught-british-values Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
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Aug 8, 2014 09:30
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Stone did you get that northern ireland job?
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Aug 8, 2014 09:41
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Unpatriotic toddlers are doubleplus ungood: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/08/nicky-morgan-toddler-must-be-taught-british-values What the gently caress are fundamental British values anyway? If they're teaching kids tolerance, empathy and why nationalised healthcare is the bees knees then fine. If they're teaching them to love the Queen, despise foreigners and that they should impose a system of regimented barbarism across the free world then loving booooo.
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Aug 8, 2014 10:44
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ISIS flag in east london. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/flag-isis-jihadi-islamic-state-flown-poplar-east-london?CMP=twt_fd
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Aug 8, 2014 10:44
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Mr. Flunchy posted:What the gently caress are fundamental British values anyway? The Suffragist, Chartist and Luddite movements originated in Britain after all, and the NHS has been described as "the closest thing Brits have to a religion". British values! 
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Aug 8, 2014 10:53
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Mr. Flunchy posted:What the gently caress are fundamental British values anyway? Buccaneering entrepreneurship ofc
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Aug 8, 2014 10:58
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Haha stupid Royal Extremists..
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Aug 8, 2014 10:58
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Jippa posted:ISIS flag in east london. Bit misleading that. The flag is associated with jihad in general , and from the context it's clearly a display of Palestinian solidarity. ISIS may be marching under similar flags, but that's a whole other business.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Unpatriotic toddlers are doubleplus ungood: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/aug/08/nicky-morgan-toddler-must-be-taught-british-values quote:Nurseries that teach creationism will also be ineligible for taxpayer funding under the proposals, although a government source told the Telegraph: "We are absolutely not saying, 'You can't teach Bible stories'." Or is the emphasis there on 'Bible stories', and funding for nurseries that teach Quran/Buddhavacana/Book of Mormon/Principia Discordia stories will be withdrawn?
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Aug 8, 2014 11:32
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Unpatriotic toddlers are doubleplus ungood Have they come out and said what British Values are? Or are they keeping it purposefully nebulous? Moreover who is in charge of setting what 'British Values' are and why do they get to define values which may, or may not, be in support of anyone elses values? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes and all that. Just a loving dogwhistle as far as I am confirmed.
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Aug 8, 2014 11:38
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mfcrocker posted:My constituency (Bristol W) will be a good indicator of just how hosed they are. If Stephen Williams goes (I loving hope so) then pretty much no-one is safe. My hometown constituency, Orpington, is terrible Tory country but had fairly strong Libdem support at least while I lived there (the Libdems almost won in 2001 with 43.3% of the vote vs the tories' 43.9%). Now, according to that site, it's listed as one of the safest seats in the country with a Tory win for BoJo's brother listed as being about 97% likely. The biggest growing threat to the tories there now comes from "other" votes in the Darwin ward which is probably because that's where Nigel Fartrage lives and its full of rich, rural 'kippers and old people.
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Aug 8, 2014 12:11
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Phoon posted:Stone did you get that northern ireland job? Yeah had to fly over Wednesday night to have a medical and sort poo poo for a CRB check yesterday, got back this morning have had no sleep and have to go sell cigars down the pub tonight fucks sake. Oh well should be starting around mid to late September so I'll finally get to move out the city and live in the middle of nowhere again, bliss.
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Aug 8, 2014 12:22
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haakman posted:Have they come out and said what British Values are? Or are they keeping it purposefully nebulous? Moreover who is in charge of setting what 'British Values' are and why do they get to define values which may, or may not, be in support of anyone elses values? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes and all that. Yes, I think I've posted this before. DfE posted:democracy There's nothing there that's either new nor controversial to be honest, it was all taught under the previous government's Citizenship/PSHCE curriculum (alongside stuff like life decisions, managing finances, etc). Citizenship/PSHCE is,and I was a real sceptic when I was training, actually a fairly good idea as there are lots of life skills that children aren't being taught elsewhere and they need for life during and after school (some of the stuff, like understanding their rights to be in control of their own bodies is critical these days). What is new is the way in which this government has chosen to enforce these (as seen in the Trojan horse debacle), it's moved it away from a curriculum item, as it was under the previous government, to a diktat from the DfE and something apparently Ofsted can close your school on. Now, I've not had any training on the new Ofsted framework (I last had training on the 2012 inspection framework) that encompasses this British Values malarky ( I doubt anyone has to be honest) so until I do I can't say any more about how we are supposed to demonstrate our The singling out of creationism seems to be because the DfE under Gove was caught out in the early days of his Academisation/Free Schools policy by some Christian fundies setting up schools or schools (Vardy academies I think) using American Evangelical Christian Science curricula that promoted Creationism as scientific fact. So now they have to keep reminding people that they're against that sort of thing.
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Aug 8, 2014 12:26
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Have Labour tried to adopt the Obama campaign's use of quants and data mining at all? The real question is how well someone whose expertise is in other countries (which goes for both Crosby and Axelrod) can map that experience onto Britain, which is a very different place. Especially now, with a coalition government and UKIP to consider. It's an interesting question how well all the internal models work when they're way outside of the domain they were developed for (ie mostly a two-horse race between Labour and the Tories leading to the formation of a single-party government).
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Aug 8, 2014 13:11
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Jippa posted:ISIS flag in east london. While it's clearly a black standard it doesn't look like an ISIS flag to me. Black standard flags are used everywhere in the Muslim world and not just by jihadist groups.
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Aug 8, 2014 13:43
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gently caress that's an amazing first line. "A black flag with white Arabic writing, similar to those flown by jihadist groups, was flying at the entrance of an east London housing state near Canary Wharf." A black flag with some white writing on it we can't read. Send in the journalists! gently caress me
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Aug 8, 2014 13:46
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Mega Comrade posted:While it's clearly a black standard it doesn't look like an ISIS flag to me. Black standard flags are used everywhere in the Muslim world and not just by jihadist groups. It was identified by one of the protesters as an ISIS flag, unless I'm misreading the article. Apparently Manchester Town Hall want to ban pro-Palestine protests on King Street because they're anti-Semitic. Why did I have to come home for a weekend?
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HortonNash posted:Yes, I think I've posted this before. Good - I was worried it was going to be more tosh ala revisionist golly-weren't-the-trenches-a-nice-place-to-be British history.
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Jedit posted:It was identified by one of the protesters as an ISIS flag, unless I'm misreading the article. The flag in question  compared to the ISIS flag 
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Aug 8, 2014 14:21
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Mega Comrade posted:One outright denied it and another replied with "so what if it is?" which I'm pretty sure was meant to be simply confrontational with the journalist rather than actually answering his question. Isn't that black flag, the one in London, just the standard Shahada ("There is no god but Allah and Mohamed is His prophet")? I can't read Arabic, but it looks similar.
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HortonNash posted:Isn't that black flag, the one in London, just the standard Shahada ("There is no god but Allah and Mohamed is His prophet")? Yes it is. The Shahada is on pretty much everything in the Islam world, including the Isis flag. For all the arguments that the various sects of Islam have with each other it's the one thing they all agree on that you need to hold true to be a Muslim. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Aug 8, 2014 15:11
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Malcolm XML posted:What industry do you work in? Do you need a visa? Late response, but web development, and no, I know nowt about Visas.
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Mega Comrade posted:One outright denied it and another replied with "so what if it is?" which I'm pretty sure was meant to be simply confrontational with the journalist rather than actually answering his question. This sort of thing makes me want to take a black flag, write a fart joke on it in Arabic and hang it outside to see what happens.
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Aug 8, 2014 15:38
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So the Morning Star think the public don't have a right to know if an elected union official is a 
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Aug 8, 2014 15:39
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TinTower posted:So the Morning Star think the public don't have a right to know if an elected union official is a rapist because it might make the union look bad, and will threaten to sack any journalists who challenge that. Your link doesn't mention rape or rapist.
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Aug 8, 2014 15:44
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baka kaba posted:gently caress that's an amazing first line. "A black flag with white Arabic writing, similar to those flown by jihadist groups, was flying at the entrance of an east London housing state near Canary Wharf." A black flag with some white writing on it we can't read. Send in the journalists! gently caress me The whole thing reads like a loving Fox news article.
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Pissflaps posted:Your link doesn't mention rape or rapist. Thanks for catching. Although, they'd probably do the same about Delta too.
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TinTower posted:Thanks for catching. Although, they'd probably do the same about Delta too. I don't know what that means it just seems odd you'd arbitrarily toss the word rapist in there as if you haven't read the thing you've linked to.
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Aug 8, 2014 16:01
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i know you've all be thinking lately "that farage hasn't been in the news nearly enough, what is this media blackout?" well fret no more, like boris johnson this week his general election ambitions are gearing up. http://www.newstatesman.com/print/node/207816 quote:The Ukip leader finally makes his choice.
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Aug 8, 2014 16:18
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Boris might be a legernd (or however we're spelling that to imply that he and anyone who likes him is a dick) but does he like tits daily? Because David "man of the people (who own a yacht)" Cameron apparently does.
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Aug 8, 2014 16:37
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how many times can journalists recycle the same "downing st twitter follows something ridiculous because they had a stupid auto follow back set up years ago" story. i've seen it at least 3 times in the last year.
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Aug 8, 2014 16:43
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Cerv posted:how many times can journalists recycle the same "downing st twitter follows something ridiculous because they had a stupid auto follow back set up years ago" story. i've seen it at least 3 times in the last year.
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Cerv posted:how many times can journalists recycle the same "downing st twitter follows something ridiculous because they had a stupid auto follow back set up years ago" story. i've seen it at least 3 times in the last year. Perhaps No 10 should've taken one of these multiple opportunities to stop the official twitter account of the Prime minister following such ridiculous things?
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Perhaps No 10 should've taken one of these multiple opportunities to stop the official twitter account of the Prime minister following such ridiculous things? Get a load of this guy, expecting competent government in connection with computers!
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