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why do we have two microsoft threads?
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Aug 8, 2014 14:13
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one for enterprise and one for home users
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Aug 8, 2014 14:17
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Nelson MandEULA posted:why do we have two microsoft threads? to better reflect microsoft's internal structure
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Aug 8, 2014 14:18
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Malcolm XML posted:to better reflect microsoft's internal structure
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Aug 8, 2014 14:19
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which one loses the most money though?
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Aug 8, 2014 14:20
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Metrication posted:which one loses the most money though? the other thread is subsidising this thread's losses
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Aug 8, 2014 14:25
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they're not losses, they're costs of revenue
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Aug 8, 2014 14:29
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i found one of those ms trackballs that mounts on the side of a laptop
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Aug 8, 2014 15:27
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so starting early 2016, they're killing support for any version of IE that isn't the newest one (so IE9 if you're a sad still using Vita/vanilla 2008, IE10 if you're using Server 2012, IE11 if you're using anything else). this is progress given how insanely long ie6 was supported, but i imagine some companies with old-as-poo poo internal websites might be panicking
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Aug 8, 2014 15:46
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univbee posted:so starting early 2016, they're killing support for any version of IE that isn't the newest one (so IE9 if you're a sad still using Vita/vanilla 2008, IE10 if you're using Server 2012, IE11 if you're using anything else). this is progress given how insanely long ie6 was supported, but i imagine some companies with old-as-poo poo internal websites might be panicking if other large orgs are anything like ours they're so traumatized from agreeing to IE-only tools a decade ago that everything they buy/build now runs in lots of browsers
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Aug 8, 2014 17:04
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nobody ever got fired for buying microsoft software
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Aug 8, 2014 17:06
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IE8 or older in a totally sandboxed VM. Forever.
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Aug 8, 2014 17:19
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qirex posted:if other large orgs are anything like ours they're so traumatized from agreeing to IE-only tools a decade ago that everything they buy/build now runs in lots of browsers haha i think I'm gonna install the yosemite beta on my work comp just because I can
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Aug 8, 2014 17:24
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univbee posted:so starting early 2016, they're killing support for any version of IE that isn't the newest one (so IE9 if you're a sad still using Vita/vanilla 2008, IE10 if you're using Server 2012, IE11 if you're using anything else). this is progress given how insanely long ie6 was supported, but i imagine some companies with old-as-poo poo internal websites might be panicking this gives me great pleasure.
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Aug 8, 2014 17:32
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pram posted:nobody ever got fired for buying microsoft software this is true, and i know someone who went out and bought the home and student version of office. twice in a row. like, she bought the wrong thing and didn't realize until she opened it, called us, we told her the correct version to buy, she went back and bought the wrong one again. it even said on the package it doesn't come with outlook (and can't be used in a business)  i'm glad we don't have that client anymore
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Aug 8, 2014 17:34
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i'm not
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Aug 8, 2014 17:46
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pram posted:nobody ever got fired for buying microsoft software some people have gotten fired for not buying microsoft software. like the brilliant team of "sharepoint specialists" that sold and deployed an $80k sharepoint implementation without mentioning that they didn't include any cals for say loving sharepoint or SQL. leaving ~15k in missing cals that weren't discovered until we did a license audit univbee posted:this is true, and i know someone who went out and bought the home and student version of office. twice in a row. like, she bought the wrong thing and didn't realize until she opened it, called us, we told her the correct version to buy, she went back and bought the wrong one again. it even said on the package it doesn't come with outlook (and can't be used in a business) office 365 has made this worse if anything. small businesses think because it says 5pcs they can bring in their home edition license and use it on all the office pcs at once.
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Aug 8, 2014 17:59
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infernal machines posted:office 365 has made this worse if anything. small businesses think because it says 5pcs they can bring in their home edition license and use it on all the office pcs at once. to be fair, microsoft licensing is the dumbest loving thing there is and a lot of their poo poo is really baffling to "normal" people wait, i can't transfer this copy of office that i bought with my dell laptop to another laptop because the dell laptop died? (didn't the eu say this was unenforceable anyway) wait, this volume license of windows doesn't work unless my computer already has a copy of windows? and this can't be a home edition of windows? also people in accounting tend to be olds who are used to a world where the idea of replacing a machine you bought 4 years ago is insane, and seem to think "i bought excel back in 2003 which means i can just use it forever because a spreadsheet is a spreadsheet, just like i never replaced my physical calculator, or my car, an 80's car that still works can drive on the highway just fine so logically a computer from 2004 should be able to handle the information superhighway just fine" the one good thing i'll say about the hell of working for a major bank was that licensing/expired warranty issues weren't among them
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Aug 8, 2014 18:04
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univbee posted:wait, this volume license of windows doesn't work unless my computer already has a copy of windows? and this can't be a home edition of windows? this is awesome, because it takes what would otherwise be a pretty easy sell, even at the price (namely volume license w/software assurance), and just punts the price through the roof. me: yes, to simplify your licensing we'd like you to buy two copies of windows for every computer you have, that way you'll always have the latest edition available (even though you would anyway thanks to a three year upgrade cycle). client: did you just tell me to go gently caress myself? me: yes, i believe i did
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Aug 8, 2014 18:09
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infernal machines posted:this is awesome, because it takes what would otherwise be a pretty easy sell, even at the price (namely volume license w/software assurance), and just punts the price through the roof. but wait, if you're a charity/non-profit you can "upgrade" from a home version of windows. but you still need a base version of windows because lol we're not that generous i also wish i had a pic of it now but one of our super-cheap clients bought some refurbished lenovo pc's, which had their motherboards replaced. they actually had to get a special 2nd batch of oem license keys because the original was "tied" to the dead mobo, they were brown stickers and the original blue sticker had i think X's all across it to indicate it was no longer valid i swear we'd have to do half as much work if companies were less stupid about their licensing. gently caress you microsoft, adobe and autodesk, respectively univbee fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Aug 8, 2014 18:18
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univbee posted:to be fair, microsoft licensing is the dumbest loving thing there is and a lot of their poo poo is really baffling to "normal" people it's baffling to the people whose job it is to know that poo poo as well dell has a whole department dedicated to dealing with ms licensing and one time i called up needing to order some CALs and he quoted me the price (way too low) and i was like "yeah, those aren't the ones"
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Aug 8, 2014 18:30
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univbee posted:but wait, if you're a charity/non-profit you can "upgrade" from a home version of windows. but you still need a base version of windows because lol we're not that generous
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Aug 8, 2014 18:34
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univbee posted:but wait, if you're a charity/non-profit you can "upgrade" from a home version of windows. but you still need a base version of windows because lol we're not that generous microsoft has special license stickers and keys for refurbished PCs. anyone who resells end of lease equipment from tier-one oems uses them (or should be, per MS licensing). it is the dumbest goddamn thing i have ever seen. especially since most of those oem machines are just using an SLP activated oem copy of windows anyway
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Aug 8, 2014 18:37
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Fabricated posted:Licensing in general loving sucks and is bad. Microsoft is really bad but all engineering software is about as bad if not worse. what, you don't like hardware dongles with drivers so lovely they randomly bluescreen the machine and/or corrupt the stored license info? or my favourite, the hosed up WIBU-Key release that prevented the system from completing POST if it was plugged in at boot.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:38
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Fabricated posted:Licensing in general loving sucks and is bad. Microsoft is really bad but all engineering software is about as bad if not worse. lol you just made me imagine a windows or office license dongle
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Aug 8, 2014 18:38
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Snapchat A Titty posted:lol you just made me imagine a windows or office license dongle don't give them any ideas
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Aug 8, 2014 18:48
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in a world swiftly moving to mobile and cloud for everything the idea of dongles becomes extra hilarious
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Aug 8, 2014 19:07
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infernal machines posted:what, you don't like hardware dongles with drivers so lovely they randomly bluescreen the machine and/or corrupt the stored license info? Best licensing is stuff where when it breaks or when you renew your licensing, you can't even do the update or fix yourself. You have to pay the company to send someone out to inspect the setup to make sure you're somehow not stealing their bits and do it for you to the tune of thousands of dollars per visit.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:12
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Snapchat A Titty posted:lol you just made me imagine a windows or office license dongle STOP IT THEYLL HEAR YOU
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Aug 8, 2014 19:12
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Fabricated posted:I like our CAM labs which run software that is actually up to date but still requires serial port hasps. Since this is academia we run a lot of software so there's machines that have a tail of 3-4 serial hasps hanging off the back. tbf, this is why a place i used to support was running 386s as recently as 2007 for production. the cost to replace the controller machines was something over $10k each because of the software upgrades and consulting fees from the vendor. it was cheaper to just scour ebay/local junk shops for replacement parts and keep several systems' worth on hand at any time
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Aug 8, 2014 19:20
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Snapchat A Titty posted:lol you just made me imagine a windows or office license dongle for windows it's already a thing, just at the bios chip level it would work well, too, if not for the whole "we changed the key matrix from windows 8 to windows 8.1" thing and office binds to a microsoft account now for non-vl editions
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Aug 8, 2014 19:27
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the beauty of microsoft's licensing is that even they don't understand it themselves, so if you ever have a problem just keep calling MS until you get the answer you want!
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Aug 8, 2014 19:29
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microsoft certified license whisperer
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Aug 8, 2014 19:40
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univbee posted:and office binds to a microsoft account now for non-vl editions this has been a thing since office 2013 launched. fun fact: all non-vl editions of office are based on the click-to-run streamed installer, even the offline installer is just a local copy of the CTR stuff. the only msi-based installer, and thus the only one with office plugin compatibility, is volume license. bonus facts:
you can't use an office 365 microsoft account to activate non-office 365 products, and you can't use a microsoft account tied to volume-license account to activate office 2013 or office 365 products there is no way to know which "microsoft office 2013 home and business (#)" is which within the office license portal, so you'd better remember what order you activated them in if you have to re-install one for any reason. and the product keycard you get with oem or retail copies? that's not your license key, it's a redemption key for a license key, that has exactly the same structure as a license key but cannot be used to actually activate the product and there is no way to tell which license key is tied to which activation key in the license portal. so just throw that poo poo out once you've activated because you'll never use it again and it's not a proof of license in the event of an audit
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Aug 8, 2014 19:41
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microsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0&t=14s
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Aug 8, 2014 20:04
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SO DEMANDING posted:the beauty of microsoft's licensing is that even they don't understand it themselves, so if you ever have a problem just keep calling MS until you get the answer you want! i've noticed this too, but in my experience with similar things in other domains the answer is usually "he was wrong, too bad, should've used your psychic powers bitch". has anyone successfully gotten audited and successfully thrown a microsoft licensing manager under the bus? infernal machines posted:this has been a thing since office 2013 launched. yeah, this was super-fun times. we have to create a new email address with COMPUTERNAME@DOMAIN.COM and document its credentials for each new machine to maintain our sanity
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Aug 8, 2014 20:22
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wait what the gently caress, you're saying office 365 is tied to a windows account? when the target market is enterprise? what's the model, that each individual user will have a msoft account or what that makes no sense
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Aug 8, 2014 20:28
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Blackula69 posted:wait what the gently caress, you're saying office 365 is tied to a windows account? when the target market is enterprise? what's the model, that each individual user will have a msoft account or what Volume License versions of Office are still 25-character key and installer-style. But the one you buy in stores binds to an MS account, yes.
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Aug 8, 2014 20:33
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oh okay, i misunderstood. because that would be crazy
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Aug 8, 2014 20:33
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