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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Something that need to be clear is that the speedster is just a mean to showcase how shady and amoral Spyral is. The canibal speedster is a doctor that (somehow) outfitted herself with a biomechanical stomach that accelerated her metabolism giving her superspeed, however it was a prototype and she required to consume a lot of calories to avoid consume herself. She was targeted and hunted by every secret agency on the world she killed any agent sent after her and she eat them to survive. I don't see how any of this translates into becoming a cannibal making any loving sense.
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Brocktoon posted:I don't see how any of this translates into becoming a cannibal making any loving sense. Convenience? I mean if you're killing the agents anyway...
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Aug 8, 2014 18:08
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Aphrodite posted:Convenience? I mean if you're killing the agents anyway... Pretty much:  
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Aug 8, 2014 18:17
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Pretty much: Cool so it is in fact gross unnecessary bullshit aka a comic published by DC.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:18
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What so did she eat the bones too? Someone make a KFC "I ATE THE BONES!" parody with this character.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:24
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Pretty much:
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Aug 8, 2014 18:24
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redbackground posted:Is she coming to a stop and monologuing, or is she supposed to be coherent while whipping around the room? Both, she stops to drop most of the info and when her dialogue becomes weird is because she's talking while running.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:29
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Eating people is easier than running at super speed through one of the thousands of Chinese Buffets in America. Right.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:42
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I'm still boggled at the idea that you get a desirable calorie to effort ratio for eating an entire human. Like, drat. Go buckwild on a tub of butter lady.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:44
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How many more pages can we obsess over this?
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Rhyno posted:Eating people is easier than running at super speed through one of the thousands of Chinese Buffets in America. This is like the buffet coming to you.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:44
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Teenage Fansub posted:How many more pages can we obsess over this?
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Aphrodite posted:This is like the buffet coming to you. Well I guess if people were made of Sweet & Sour Chicken I guess I'd become a cannibal too.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:48
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redbackground posted:You got more interesting DC news to discuss? Yeah, give us something else to sink our teeth into.
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Rhyno posted:Well I guess if people were made of Sweet & Sour Chicken I guess I'd become a cannibal too. You can't really be sure they aren't.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:50
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redbackground posted:You got more interesting DC news to discuss? Nothing so deeply controversial as Grayson #2, no 
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Aug 8, 2014 18:52
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Aphrodite posted:You can't really be sure they aren't. Well, I once bit my sister's arm and she didn't bleed orange sauce so I'm fairly certain.
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Aug 8, 2014 18:52
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Teenage Fansub posted:Nothing so deeply controversial as Grayson #2, no Can we all agree, without reading the book, that it is the worst comic ever published?
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Aug 8, 2014 19:45
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Madkal posted:Can we all agree, without reading the book, that it is the worst comic ever published? Nope, Final Crisis still exists.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:51
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Was Taters posted:Nope, Final Crisis still exists. You misspelled Cry for Justice.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:58
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The Action Man posted:You misspelled Cry for Justice. Grounded.
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Aug 8, 2014 19:59
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The Action Man posted:You misspelled Cry for Justice. Justice!
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The Action Man posted:You misspelled Cry for Justice.
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Isn't the Speed Force supposed to take care of this exact specific problem?
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Was Taters posted:Nope, INFINITE Crisis still exists. Pretty sure that was the crisis you meant.
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Aug 8, 2014 20:44
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 I found this image depressingly accurate. DC is at their worst point in years and Marvel is just doing a great job on almost all fronts. I grew up being a HUGE DC fan and now I couldn't give a poo poo about anything they do.
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BrianWilly posted:Isn't the Speed Force supposed to take care of this exact specific problem? That's the thing, she wasn't connected to the Speed Force. Considering that the organ gave Spyral Flash's identity it doesn't seem too far fetched that they got Barry's metagene there somehow. I'm enjoying Grayson but the complaints about being the same as issue 1 are true, since this followed the exact same structure and outside of showing Spyral darker side didn't advance the plot.
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Aug 8, 2014 20:46
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I just assume Grayson'll mostly be a network TV show style case of the week type deal.
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Unmature posted:
99% of the image is dumb but starts off with the hilarious bit of "DC won't make Wonder Woman film, see how great Marvel are for letting Black Widow be a supporting character".
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Waterhaul posted:99% of the image is dumb but starts off with the hilarious bit of "DC won't make Wonder Woman film, see how great Marvel are for letting Black Widow be a supporting character". Not really man, she was pretty much his sidekick costar in that movie. Falcon and everyone else were support, it could have easily been Falcon going on broventures with Steve in the Mall and to the Army base and whatnot. They chose Widow to be his equal and have her even kinda go toe to toe against Bucky.
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Aug 8, 2014 20:54
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Jiro posted:Not really man, she was pretty much his sidekick costar in that movie. Falcon and everyone else were support, it could have easily been Falcon going on broventures with Steve in the Mall and to the Army base and whatnot. They chose Widow to be his equal and have her even kinda go toe to toe against Bucky. Yeah but she's still a sidekick. You can't knock DC for not making a Wonder Woman film and only including her in Batman v Superman and Justice League (so far) and praise Marvel for doing the same thing. And Marvel have the bonus of her being an established film character with an actress who has proven she can lead #1 action films at the box office.
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Waterhaul posted:Yeah but she's still a sidekick. You can't knock DC for not making a Wonder Woman film and only including her in Batman v Superman and Justice League (so far) and praise Marvel for doing the same thing. And Marvel have the bonus of her being an established film character with an actress who has proven she can lead #1 action films at the box office. Yeah pretty much this. And it's not like there's not more people clamoring for her to have her own film than even WW at this point.
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Waterhaul posted:Yeah but she's still a sidekick. You can't knock DC for not making a Wonder Woman film and only including her in Batman v Superman and Justice League (so far) and praise Marvel for doing the same thing. And Marvel have the bonus of her being an established film character with an actress who has proven she can lead #1 action films at the box office. Where's that bullshit quote by Feige where he basically says "We want to make a Black Widow movies buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut we don't have the time, k'bye.
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Vincent posted:Where's that bullshit quote by Feige where he basically says "We want to make a Black Widow movies buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut we don't have the time, k'bye. I'm afraid that they waited too long and Johansen's schedule won't allow it till close to the end of the decade. They drat well better get a Captain Marvel movie going before then.
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I'm actually really interested in seeing what happens to that The Rock as CAPTAIN MARVEL/SHAZAM!! Rumor. Because at the rate DC is going with their cinematic Vision, William 'Billy' Batson will be a grief stricken survivor of the Metropolis Incident (Watch Man of Steel for the details! --Ed) who watched his parents die in order to save him and his sister. After months of living in a catatonic state, Billy speaks THE WORD that imbues him with the power to wreck his vengeance on the world! I just can't see anything not grimblood coming out of that universe now. Which is a shame because a Shazam movie could be pretty fun.
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ImpAtom posted:Sue Dibny being raped by Dr. Light and murdered by Jean LOring was not portrayed as anything but horrific but that didn't stop it from being needlessly grimdark and stupid. In fact all of Identity Crisis was basically Modern DC: The Comic. Kirby's "Forever People" features an amusement park that acts as a front for a massive torture and brainwashing operation lead by an actual god of torture. Jack Kirby, the original King of Grimdark. (Also lmfao if you don't believe Meltzer thought his new kewler, edgier Dr. Light was a billion times better than the original version from the silver age. Double the laughs if you think Identity Crisis was anything other than Meltzer's attempt to fix the "silliness" of the DC universe.) Dash Magnum fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Dash Magnum posted:Kirby's "Forever People" features an amusement park that acts as a front for a massive torture and brainwashing operation lead by an actual god of torture. Jack Kirby, the original King of Grimdark. It's pretty disingenuous to pretend like Kirby's depiction is at all like modern DC. Something can be dark or scary without being "lol, turns out there's a super speedster but she needs to EAT people for some reason!"
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ImpAtom posted:It's pretty disingenuous to pretend like Kirby's depiction is at all like modern DC. Something can be dark or scary without being "lol, turns out there's a super speedster but she needs to EAT people for some reason!" Just carrying your logic out to it's conclusion, never said I agreed with it. I mean hell, I agree with the sentiment you're expressing here. I just don't see how "Eats mainly sheep, and the occasional super-spies that try to capture her" is so much further down the "dark" spectrum than "actual amusement park torture palace" or "wants to literally wipe out all choice/free will". If that's the line in the sand you want to draw, then fine, I guess I can't really change your mind.
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Dash Magnum posted:Just carrying your logic out to it's conclusion, never said I agreed with it. You're making a crazy disingenuous argument here. There's a real significant difference between "lighthearted character is murdered and retconned-raped by another character usually portrayed as lighthearted" and "an evil amusement park run by an evil god." It isn't carrying my logic out to its conclusion at all unless you ignore the actual context of the characters involved. As for why this is worse: Because there is no context in which it makes sense. It is putting cannibalism into a situation to make it more grim and dramatic instead of because it makes sense even via comic book logic. Wally West needed to eat a lot of calories too but he never took chunks out of his supervillains. There are a lot of ways you could portray a super-speedster as horrific without her taking a bite of Dick Grayson's arm. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Seriously. 70% of episodes of The X-Files or Fringe (comparing as agents-against-monsters-of-the-week things) tower completely over this issue of Grayson in terms of dark tone and gross situations. We do not need to worry about it. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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