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Zaheer is just a straight-up great villain. Some of his essential core beliefs have real merit -- like freedom is a right not a privilege, freeing people from tyranny, etc. -- but then you have the poo poo like "chaos is the best system, hands down" and "kill all authority figures." Makes me really suspicious about Zuko suddenly being involved in everything this season. He might not be a world leader any more, but he's a former Fire Lord and may end up on Zaheer's radar. The one thing I really hope we don't see is the Red Lotus group broken up. It might be tempting for the writers to break Ghazan and Ming-Hua away from Zaheer's increasingly-brutal revolution and maybe even have P'Li forsake him in the end to show how far gone he is, but I hope that instead we see them sticking together until the bitter end. Having people jumping off the crazy train before it derailed worked really well when Mai and Ty Lee acted against Azula, I just don't see how something like that could work again. As it is, in season 1 the Lieutenant turned on Amon when he was revealed to be a fraud, and I don't think they'll go at quite that angle again. It would just end up being the cheesy trope of the Good Guys convincing some of the Big Bad Villain's lackeys that Good is truly the best and Evil should be opposed! But the way Ghazan and Ming-Hua were presented in this episode and how ruthless Zaheer is trending, the fracturing of the Red Lotus seems like a real possibility.
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I'm curious to see how Bolin is actually going to metalbend at this point. They've set that gun up so prominently it is is a just a matter of when it fires at this point
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Aug 8, 2014 23:58
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ImpAtom posted:I'm curious to see how Bolin is actually going to metalbend at this point. They've set that gun up so prominently it is is a just a matter of when it fires at this point He's going to metalbend up a gun 
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Aug 9, 2014 00:01
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On my second watch, the opening scene is pretty funny when that guy who imprisons korra is reciting all the elements. " no water bending, earth bending or fire bending. But there's nothing you can do about air "
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Aug 9, 2014 00:05
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ImpAtom posted:I'm curious to see how Bolin is actually going to metalbend at this point. They've set that gun up so prominently it is is a just a matter of when it fires at this point
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Aug 9, 2014 00:22
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VaultAggie posted:On my second watch, the opening scene is pretty funny when that guy who imprisons korra is reciting all the elements. " no water bending, earth bending or fire bending. But there's nothing you can do about air " Nothing they can do about metalbending either
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X_Toad posted:I don't know, I feel it's a red herring. Him managing to metalbend in a critical moment would feel like a copy-paste of Korra learning airbending in Book 1. What I believe/hope for is this : it will be revealed that he just doesn't have what it takes to be a metalbender, but could end up being able to lavabend. Notably, many people have already pointed out that Ghazan has a very mobile, acrobatic fighting style rather unusual for earthbenders, and Bolin also happens to fight like that. I think it's less that he'll be able to suddenly do it the critical moment, and more that something will convince him that he can do it. The focus so far has mostly been on the fact that Bolin seems convinced that he doesn't have the potential, which is what is ultimately holding him back. I am 100% behind tossing him lava bending, though. 
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Aug 9, 2014 00:30
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Sydin posted:I am 100% behind tossing him lava bending, though.
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I wonder if lava bending could be something that is the result of being the son of an Earthbender and a Firebender. Like, you can't actually bend fire but you've got more of an affinity for it than a regular Earthbender. That'd give Bolin a reason to be able to do it when nobody else can.
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ImpAtom posted:I wonder if lava bending could be something that is the result of being the son of an Earthbender and a Firebender. Like, you can't actually bend fire but you've got more of an affinity for it than a regular Earthbender. That'd give Bolin a reason to be able to do it when nobody else can.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:The idea of lavabending being the result of mixed parentage is ridiculous. Ghazan is state-shifting the earth into molten rock. It's like saying that a waterbender must have half-airbending parentage if they're able to bend steam. The son of a waterbender and an earthbender can bend trees.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:The idea of lavabending being the result of mixed parentage is ridiculous. Ghazan is state-shifting the earth into molten rock. It's like saying that a waterbender must have half-airbending parentage if they're able to bend steam. Why, precisely? We already know that special kinds of bending are genetically passed down since Amon's entire family had psychic bloodbending, and lavabending is presumably a type of special bending considering that we've never seen anyone else do it and it seems like a fairly obvious concept if it is just phase-shifting. I'm not saying "it has to be this or it makes no sense" but it would tie together with Bolin's family plotline too. Of course, him metalbending at the most dramatic moment is still more likely because they won't have to get around S&P with a hero throwing flaming lava shurikens at his enemies. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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ImpAtom posted:Why, precisely? We already know that special kinds of bending are genetically passed down since Amon's entire family had psychic bloodbending, and lavabending is presumably a type of special bending considering that we've never seen anyone else do it and it seems like a fairly obvious concept if it is just phase-shifting. Obviously Ghazan is secretly Bolin's real dad 
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I just watched the episode. Those earthbender airmen are pretty cool. 
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ImpAtom posted:I wonder if lava bending could be something that is the result of being the son of an Earthbender and a Firebender. Like, you can't actually bend fire but you've got more of an affinity for it than a regular Earthbender. That'd give Bolin a reason to be able to do it when nobody else can. There is word for this kind of thing its a Kekkei Genkai. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kekkei_Genkai
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Or maybe nobody really sat down and thought about state-shifting solid rock to lava before Ghazan did. People have stumbled upon inventions before, and sometimes it's even an "I can't believe nobody thought of that before!" sort of deal. It's entirely conceivable that for the vast period of history, people simply stuck to the traditions of "Punch move rock". One question: If Sand is just particles of earth, what was stopping Korra from just bending the sand? Arguably detecting impurities in metal is harder than just bending a whole lot of loose silica, so if she can bend metal, why not bend sand?
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Sandbenders exist but it's pretty obviously a niche and unintuitive technique. If I recall correctly, Toph had serious difficulty in the desert because the sand wasn't as solid as normal earth - she couldn't bend it effectively and her radar-senses were almost entirely disabled.
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DrSunshine posted:Or maybe nobody really sat down and thought about state-shifting solid rock to lava before Ghazan did. People have stumbled upon inventions before, and sometimes it's even an "I can't believe nobody thought of that before!" sort of deal. It's entirely conceivable that for the vast period of history, people simply stuck to the traditions of "Punch move rock". Its probably hard because you have to lift a lot of individual pieces all at once. A sandbender would probably need to split their focus in a lot of little ways at once, while a metalbender would simply need to laser-focus on a few tight points.
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Hm, that makes sense. I have to say that of the bending styles, I enjoy Earth and Water more than Air and Fire, because they're so versatile and adaptable. You can imagine that perhaps Sandbending is a bit more like Waterbending or Airbending, while Lavabending is more like Firebending. Icebending is very common, but you can imagine if a waterbender just really loved throwing chunks of glacier at people, he might have more in common with Earthbenders, or if a dude really had a knack for scalding folks with jets of superheated steam, he might have more in common with Firebenders. All the variations makes for a system that's really interesting to think about.
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The Bee posted:Its probably hard because you have to lift a lot of individual pieces all at once. A sandbender would probably need to split their focus in a lot of little ways at once, while a metalbender would simply need to laser-focus on a few tight points. I think this is why Bolin won't be able to Metalbend, he can't laser-focus like that. Seriously though, they've been building it up to an obvious "if you just believe in yourself you can do anything!" conclusion and that just doesn't feel right. What I think, and hope, they do is have him pick up Lavabending and just flatly not be able to Metalbend ever. Change the message to "there are some things you just can't do in life, but everybody has something special they can do you just have to find yours" which is both more realistic and probably more positive.
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I think this is why Bolin won't be able to Metalbend, he can't laser-focus like that. Actually I think they have been showing that and building up to it. Remember all those times that they had Bolin hit someone with a super-precise small shot of rock? Him cracking metalbending might have him remember how to focus deeply and accurately drawing on his experience with pinpoint earthbending techniques.
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VocalizePlayerDeath posted:There is word for this kind of thing its a Kekkei Genkai. No, do not legitimize use of anime Japanese phrases. Even use a phrase like genetic inheritance or some else but not this.
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pentyne posted:No, do not legitimize use of anime Japanese phrases. Even use a phrase like genetic inheritance or some else but not this. It's tottemo kakkoi if you use nihongo, baka.
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Potsticker posted:It's tottemo kakkoi if you use nihongo, baka.
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DrSunshine posted:Actually I think they have been showing that and building up to it. Remember all those times that they had Bolin hit someone with a super-precise small shot of rock? Him cracking metalbending might have him remember how to focus deeply and accurately drawing on his experience with pinpoint earthbending techniques. Yeah, you're right. I'd forgotten about all of his sniper-bending. Still, I like the message of having him right about being unable to learn Metalbending but still learning something new better.
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Sydin posted:I think it's less that he'll be able to suddenly do it the critical moment, and more that something will convince him that he can do it. The focus so far has mostly been on the fact that Bolin seems convinced that he doesn't have the potential, which is what is ultimately holding him back. It'll be to save Opal.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Book 4 thread title found. omae to boku wa tomodachi ni nareru. Shoot, is that too far??
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Potsticker posted:omae to boku wa tomodachi ni nareru. Probably, we're here to debate about anarchists and murder-suicides, not friendship!
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Edit: On second thought, nah.
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DoctorWhat posted:Sandbenders exist but it's pretty obviously a niche and unintuitive technique. If I recall correctly, Toph had serious difficulty in the desert because the sand wasn't as solid as normal earth - she couldn't bend it effectively and her radar-senses were almost entirely disabled. Yea sandbenders seem to be the Avatar world version of Bedouin, a bunch of dudes in their own super insular society who have adapted to their environment and everyone else really can't figure out about.
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Earth is next in the avatar cycle, right? I'd love if we got a sandbending avatar if there's ever a third series. Or a swampbender.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Earth is next in the avatar cycle, right? I'd love if we got a sandbending avatar if there's ever a third series. Or a swampbender. Swampbenders are waterbenders, but if we ever see far enough in the future for the cycle to wrap around to water again a swampbender avatar would rule.
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Man, that episode was just straight up dedicated to never saying "die", wasn't it.
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CapnAndy posted:Man, that episode was just straight up dedicated to never saying "die", wasn't it. It was pretty hilarious honestly.
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The Legend of Korra: Never Say Die
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Fifty Three posted:The Legend of Korra: Never Say Die I fully support this.
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So one thing I can't stop thinking about is that this episode, unless Ghazan and Ming-Hua were lying, confirms that only Zaheer can go to the spirit world, and if that's the case and their stories were true, how pissed off will they be when they find out Zaheer spent thirteen years yucking it up in the spirit world, probably partying with Iroh in ways the physical world cannot begin to comprehend?
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Fifty Three posted:The Legend of Korra: Never Say Die Legend of Korra: There Is Only ... Darkness RyuujinBlueZ fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:So one thing I can't stop thinking about is that this episode, unless Ghazan and Ming-Hua were lying, confirms that only Zaheer can go to the spirit world, and if that's the case and their stories were true, how pissed off will they be when they find out Zaheer spent thirteen years yucking it up in the spirit world, probably partying with Iroh in ways the physical world cannot begin to comprehend? I'm pretty sure the spirit stuff only came when he got airbending.
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People seem to hate the whole "darkness" thing, but even though I knew it was just tip-toeing around the word "death" it still fit. Hell, it even showed her blacking out as she became more and more oxygen starved. Line was great, yo.
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