MechWarrior Online: Sisyphus could learn a thing or two

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funeral home DJ: Apr 21, 2003; Pillbug

I remember playing this game a while back (and really enjoying it) until ~Goon Drama~ pretty much killed it for me (along with the increasingly "Pay to Win" nature of the game as time went on). I still want a big stompy multiplayer Mechwarrior game, but I just don't want PGI to have anything to do with it.

I wish Microsoft would just rip the license out of their hands and give it to a competent developer but I imagine they've got much bigger poo poo to worry about at this point.

# ? Aug 8, 2014 22:36

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 12:35

Aesis: Oct 9, 2012; Filthy J4G

Huh so you can fire 2 C-ERLL can fire without ghost heat now again. Maybe they want to sell more Clan mechs for MC.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 01:32

Mjilaeck: Jun 10, 2012

OAquinas posted:

The alternative is to not give him head trauma, and I don't want to live in that world.

I don't want to live in a world where PGI|IGP are in control of the Mechwarrior franchise.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 02:45

Chronojam: Feb 20, 2006; This is me on vacation in Amsterdam
Never be afraid of being yourself!

The Gate posted:

ECM still seems pretty powerful though, since LRMs are pretty good again. TAG and NARC supporting an LRM team can swing games, so ECM cover preventing easy TAGing and general targeting is helpful. Plus the general use of shutting down streaks and denying snipers the ability to aim for opened sections as easily.

Wait, what? ECM does not block TAG as it is "supposed" to per Battletech; in MWO, TAG burns through ECM as a hard counter.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 03:24

DOMDOM: Apr 28, 2007; Fun Shoe

I had fun playing this game for a bit. I spent some money. I became disillusioned with the lies and cockups. Clan "invasion" cashgrab and gold mechs were what finally put me over the edge. That and Paul Inoyyoyeyeoeye being completely incompetent.

Paul Inoyyeyoeye posted:

Launch Module Update � Feb 27, 2014

The Launch Module, a new means of connecting players together in a more comprehensive and structured manner with the ability to play in a space that suits their own needs.

This Launch Module incorporates changes to how teams are assembled in the Match Maker and how groups are dealt with when queuing for matches. A separate game space is created as well that allows players to take more control of their experience in terms of a player controlled Lobby.

In this post, you will learn about the following:
Changes to the Solo/Group Public Match
Addition of Free Private Matches and Premium Private Matches
How the design and engineering team made certain key decisions on getting the features implemented.

Surprising Stats:

Let�s start with some surprising facts pulled from the game server�s metrics:
Out of all matches launched, 84% are solo launches.
16% are group launches. (We omitted our 12-mans because they will be dealt with separately)
Of that 16%, 8% are 2-man groups, 4% are 3-man groups and 4% are 4-man groups.

This was very surprising to us as it was assumed that most launches would have been groups.
That being said, we looked at our overall goal of what we wanted the player experience to be when players launch into our game. Right now we have issues of lopsided teams in terms of Mech builds and overall tonnage. Another thing we kept in mind was the number of team players being mixed with the solo players.
We deem that public matches are where we, the developers, set the rules and expectations of the end player experience. Private matches are where the players set the rules and expectations of the end player experience. (Private matches detailed further down.)

Cyberdogs7, MAV dev posted:

Dear lord, this is some of the weirdest stuff I have ever read before. I do not like coming in here and being negative, but the stuff in this post just screams 'inexperienced dev' to me.

If their server usage is so unoptimized that they need to charge F2P players to use them, I can't imagine how horrible their systems design is. If you are concerned about server costs, that is just a symptom of bigger issues.

Also, why do you need ~6 pages to justify why you are doing things a certain way? Because that entire 6 pages is devoted to minimizing the feature you are 'promoting'. Literally the entire post reads as "We real don't want to do this, but if we have to, this is how we will limit it so it still fits with our vision".

And the biggest concern is their using of 'stats' to back up their choices. Looking at that, I can tell they pulled some raw numbers from their tracking system and went off that. All that shows is what people are doing NOW. Not what people want, or what they expect, or how willing they are to change. Nor does it seem to be of any concern to them that in their 'team work based game' 84% of their players are not playing it 'like they should'.

I really don't want to see Piranha fail on this, but seeing stuff like this is so frustrating. I have worked with them before (they were hired as outsourcers for us) and they are better than this. There are SO MANY RESOURCES available to game developers on F2P games and so many 'do this, don't do that' talks, videos, experienced developers, publishers, blogs, papers, even a college thesis or two, that the only conclusion that I can come to is that Piranha, in general, think they are smarter than not only their players, but also the rest of the entire game industry.

Seriously Piranha, please get your poo poo together.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 03:43

Ash Rose: Sep 3, 2011; Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!

How the hell are there 2 patches to download, I played last night, and I had a patch to download then to!

Was there a hotfix for the last patch?

And then a hotfix for the hotfix?

# ? Aug 9, 2014 04:31

kingcom: Jun 23, 2012

axelsoar posted:

How the hell are there 2 patches to download, I played last night, and I had a patch to download then to!

Was there a hotfix for the last patch?

And then a hotfix for the hotfix?

They tried to nerf clan stuff, people got mad so they undid the nerf. :pgi:

# ? Aug 9, 2014 04:34

Ash Rose: Sep 3, 2011; Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!

kingcom posted:

They tried to nerf clan stuff, people got mad so they undid the nerf.

Did they seriously undo the C-ERLL stuff?

You are loving kidding me.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 04:42

DiHK: Feb 4, 2013; by Azathoth

I'm getting drunk tonight so lets see if I update MWO...

I won't

# ? Aug 9, 2014 04:51

kingcom: Jun 23, 2012

I started playing MWO again, wtf is wrong with me.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 04:59

Captain Keene: Dec 20, 2012

axelsoar posted:

Did they seriously undo the C-ERLL stuff?

You are loving kidding me.

PGI only pays attention to the segment of their playerbase that has dropped a down payment for a new car on the game. :pgi:

# ? Aug 9, 2014 05:05

ZombyDog: Jul 11, 2001; Ere to fix yer gubbinz

Captain Keene posted:

PGI only pays attention to the segment of their playerbase that has dropped a down payment for a new car on the game.

If this were true Goons would have saved MWO long ago.

( All those Atlas Founders buying heroes month after month with 3 figure hangar numbers, ya'll know who you are )

ZombyDog fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Aug 9, 2014

# ? Aug 9, 2014 09:25

RangerAce: Feb 25, 2014

Captain Keene posted:

PGI only pays attention to the segment of their playerbase that has dropped a down payment for a new car on the game.

Haha, no they don't pay attention to any segment except Paul's deluded lack of vision.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 09:26

Koorisch: Mar 29, 2009

I just saw a video on YT about a Direwolf with two C-AC/20's and two C-UAC/20's.

When all shots connected it melted another Direwolf in like a second. (although it had lots of heat a competent player can bypass that problem by not being a bad)

Something about this doesn't seem quite balanced, wouldn't you say? :pgi:

# ? Aug 9, 2014 09:34

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

I love that Russ' reason for rolling back the CERLL ghost heat change is that it's not in line with other laser weapons. Because we must treat all weapons the same even if they're clearly different.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 10:16

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

Chronojam posted:

Wait, what? ECM does not block TAG as it is "supposed" to per Battletech; in MWO, TAG burns through ECM as a hard counter.

ECM doesn't do most of what it's supposed to do. It shuts down Streak SRMs (it's not supposed to), Active Probe is a soft counter to ECM (ECM is supposed to hard counter active probes), and ECM can make mechs invisible (ecm is supposed to be electronically noisy). There's almost nothing right about MWO's ECM implementation.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 12:12

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

Koorisch posted:

I just saw a video on YT about a Direwolf with two C-AC/20's and two C-UAC/20's.

When all shots connected it melted another Direwolf in like a second. (although it had lots of heat a competent player can bypass that problem by not being a bad)

Something about this doesn't seem quite balanced, wouldn't you say?

It can't do poo poo at arm's length, and on most maps it might never get in range to use those guns. A close range specialist SHOULD be face-melting. My only issue is that most other brawlers aren't as good as they should be. Also, it has virtually no ammunition. It can do that trick 2 or three times a match, and then it's done.

edit: Sorry for the double post, I meant to edit the first one.

A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Aug 9, 2014

# ? Aug 9, 2014 12:16

Slab Squatthrust: Jun 3, 2008; This is mutiny!

Koorisch posted:

I just saw a video on YT about a Direwolf with two C-AC/20's and two C-UAC/20's.

When all shots connected it melted another Direwolf in like a second. (although it had lots of heat a competent player can bypass that problem by not being a bad)

Something about this doesn't seem quite balanced, wouldn't you say?

The 2x UAC-10, 2x UAC-5 version takes a little longer but can murder people a lot further away and has more ammo. And a few lasers too. Watched one just buzzsaw an Atlas to bits in about 10 seconds flat.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 15:51

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

A.o.D. posted:

ECM doesn't do most of what it's supposed to do. It shuts down Streak SRMs (it's not supposed to), Active Probe is a soft counter to ECM (ECM is supposed to hard counter active probes), and ECM can make mechs invisible (ecm is supposed to be electronically noisy). There's almost nothing right about MWO's ECM implementation.

I'm sure you know this, but for people who are familiar with how sensors work in other Mechwarrior games and not this one, this all comes down to the fact that PGI's "sensor" system is loving retarded and is based entirely on literally staring at your opponent. Your "sensors" are only as good as your eyeballs. If you can see an enemy mech and they're less than some distance away, they show up on your and your teammate's sensors. If you don't move further away but you turn your view so you can't see them, they disappear.

loving amazing.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 16:54

Galaga Galaxian: Apr 23, 2009; What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!

Remember when we were expecting to get such awesome thing as deployable aerial surveillance UAVs and ground sonar for hearing/sensing moving mechs?

# ? Aug 9, 2014 17:22

Nickiepoo: Jun 24, 2013

You mean when information/role warfare were actually going to matter?

Why yes, yes I do.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 17:27

Great Beer: Jul 5, 2004

Well this is new:

When did they add a mech selection screen thats slightly less poo poo?

# ? Aug 9, 2014 17:52

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Great Beer posted:

Well this is new:

When did they add a mech selection screen thats slightly less poo poo?

Please tell me what this screen does. I can't tell from the Screenshot. And I don't want to patch MWO.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 18:55

Feindfeuer: Jun 20, 2013; shoot men, receive credits

It's a list of your mechs, you can sort them by chassis-name or weight-class. Before you had just a list that was based on when you aquired a mech and that could not be sorted in any way. It's one of the few times :pgi:

actually improved something.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 18:58

Ash Rose: Sep 3, 2011; Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!

So, when did they remove the limitation for tubes on missiles? my Griffon I just got can shotgun 24 SRMs at once If I feel like heat spiking.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 19:17

Orcs and Ostriches: Aug 26, 2010; The Great Twist

axelsoar posted:

So, when did they remove the limitation for tubes on missiles? my Griffon I just got can shotgun 24 SRMs at once If I feel like heat spiking.

They got rid of that? drat. That was like one of the only the only things they got right.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 20:24

Ash Rose: Sep 3, 2011; Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

They got rid of that? drat. That was like one of the only the only things they got right.

I can see how this can unbalance some mechs, but for others it is a nice boost. A lot more mediums can do builds similar to the menturian when they can make full use of their missile slots. One of the Shadowhawks look like it could work well as a menturain stand-in, one less med laser, but it has jumpjets, a pretty solid tradeoff.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 20:27

DiHK: Feb 4, 2013; by Azathoth

axelsoar posted:

I can see how this can unbalance some mechs, but for others it is a nice boost. A lot more mediums can do builds similar to the menturian when they can make full use of their missile slots. One of the Shadowhawks look like it could work well as a menturain stand-in, one less med laser, but it has jumpjets, a pretty solid tradeoff.

And faster, iirc.

But still, limited missile tubes was one of the neatest things they did.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 20:39

Ash Rose: Sep 3, 2011; Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!

DiHK posted:

And faster, iirc.

But still, limited missile tubes was one of the neatest things they did.

It is also undocumented and not really intuitive to new players.

The real loss is no longer being able to put a LRM20 in a narc tube.

The real gain is seeing 4 racks of SRMs on a medium.

(yes my builds are bad, shut up.)

edit: Well, I just got warped half way across river city, I was next to a building, full throttle trying to move around it and suddenly I am in the river.

Ash Rose fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Aug 9, 2014

# ? Aug 9, 2014 21:20

RalphyNoPants: Jul 5, 2012

When did we get a thread again?

# ? Aug 9, 2014 21:56

armchairyoda: Sep 17, 2008; Melman

axelsoar posted:

edit: Well, I just got warped half way across river city, I was next to a building, full throttle trying to move around it and suddenly I am in the river.

Were you running as fast as a PPC shot travels? History has a weird way of repeating itself in this game.

If they're pulling the game back to February 2013, count me in for slosh ops!

# ? Aug 9, 2014 21:59

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Been through odd periods of severe rubber banding which is unusual. Also there's a few mech bay for 20 kills with certain mechs

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:17

Yeti Fiasco: Aug 19, 2010

I really want to enjoy this game more than I am currently, I was massively disheartened in the beta due to it being so amazingly poo poo, but after a couple of TM articles I'm playing it again. Are there any coms where people are playing this? Solo-que is suffering.

EDIT: Also the OP is butts get it together.

Yeti Fiasco fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Aug 9, 2014

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:18

WebDO: Sep 25, 2009

Yeti Fiasco posted:

I really want to enjoy this game more than I am currently, I was massively disheartened in the beta due to it being so amazingly poo poo, but after a couple of TM articles I'm playing it again. Are there any coms where people are playing this? Solo-que is suffering.

EDIT: Also the OP is butts get it together.

Hate to break it to you, but as long as :pgi:

holds the reigns of this, playing this game will always be suffering.

I guess Mittani.com articles explain why more goons are making the mistake of playing this game. You poor souls.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:35

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Oh, cool, it's yeti! I guess I just assumed you'd died or something.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:37

Yeti Fiasco: Aug 19, 2010

Fil5000 posted:

Oh, cool, it's yeti! I guess I just assumed you'd died or something.

Sup Fil.

The 3-of-each-class matchmaking is making this game enjoyable, but not having maytes to play with is kind of a letdown, is there an idea to do A THING when the first phase of community warfare gets released?

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:39

TeeMerk: Jun 9, 2013

I enjoy the 3/3/3/3 as well but what made me patch up was the change in the group sizes. also big stompy robots.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:44

Ash Rose: Sep 3, 2011; Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!

TeeMerk posted:

I enjoy the 3/3/3/3 as well but what made me patch up was the change in the group sizes. also big stompy robots.

3/3/3/3 means you are no longer harming your team by bringing a medium, centurains, shadowhawks, and griffons are fun.

edit: this one wolverine variant looks solid too.

Ash Rose fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Aug 9, 2014

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:45

Yeti Fiasco: Aug 19, 2010

The fact that it's not LRM's and splat-cats 420 its good too, I'm rolling around in a firestarter and a cataph with 4 AC5's, it's pretty fun.

Regard to my previous question, anyone got coms?

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:46

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 12:35

Slab Squatthrust: Jun 3, 2008; This is mutiny!

TeeMerk posted:

I enjoy the 3/3/3/3 as well but what made me patch up was the change in the group sizes. also big stompy robots.

Yup, those two changes were what made me actually give enough of a poo poo to look twice. Being limited to 4 or 8 helped kill my regular group back when.

# ? Aug 9, 2014 22:51

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