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Teenage Fansub posted:Keep in mind, you're reading about decades of stuff at once. When Jason Todd came back, it had been almost 20 years since he had been murdered, a fate which had been decided by a frickin' phone-in poll, by the way. (e: and he'd only been around for a year. I didn't know he was that short lived. He was barely given a chance.) Jason Todd first became Robin in 1983, but this was Pre-Crisis and Jason was a redheaded kid acrobat with a good heart and a tragic backstory involving his acrobat parents being getting murdered by Killer Croc. He dyed his hair black and became Robin and besides being named Jason might as well have been Dick Grayson. Fans did not really care for this kind of goofy Nick Fury Jr. stuff back then either. So the Batman office took Crisis on Infinite Earths as an opportunity to completely reboot the character (which was confusing because Batman was one of the books relatively untouched and not rebooted by Crisis) and in this new version, which debuted in 1987, he was the punk kid with anger issues who tried to steal the Batmobile's hubcaps etc. THAT version only lasted a year and a half before they opted for Death in the Family. But that was eighteen months before they gave up on the weird revamp bandage they put on a five year old story that wasn't working at all. And then it was less than a year before they basically tried New Robin Version Three with Tim Drake, which 'worked'. Speaking of comic book deaths though, Jean Grey has been dead for over a decade at this point, compared to her first 'death' period lasting a little under six years. So that's sometihng.
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Well, they brought back a young Jean Grey which kinda makes the "still dead" thing kinda hard to argue. She's technically still dead but a Jean Grey is running around.
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Aug 9, 2014 15:02
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ImpAtom posted:Well, they brought back a young Jean Grey which kinda makes the "still dead" thing kinda hard to argue. She's technically still dead but a Jean Grey is running around. Yeah but unless something really dumb happens, she is going back.
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Aug 9, 2014 15:04
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Maybe your buddy was thinking that the part of RHATO that dealt with Jason's origin was a Zero Year tie-in. Personally, I found it kind of wonky because Jason meets Ra's and Talia before Batman does, then Talia teaches him MAGIC KUNG FU that turns off immortality. And it can only be used by the pure of heart.
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Aug 9, 2014 15:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah but unless something really dumb happens, she is going back. When was the last time an X-character from out of the timestream actually went back?
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Aug 9, 2014 15:55
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HitTheTargets posted:Maybe your buddy was thinking that the part of RHATO that dealt with Jason's origin was a Zero Year tie-in. Personally, I found it kind of wonky because Jason meets Ra's and Talia before Batman does, then Talia teaches him MAGIC KUNG FU that turns off immortality. And it can only be used by the pure of heart. Yeah, that was UTTER BULLSHIT, luckily everyone is ignoring that. Man, Tynion's tenure on RHATO really sucked.
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Aug 9, 2014 16:05
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Talkin comic deaths and no one's mentioned that both Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy* are yet to resurrect? Or are we just looking for hero examples? *(the actual one, no clones) TwoPair fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Aug 9, 2014 17:29
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Sue Dibney: still dead.
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Aug 9, 2014 18:20
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Was Taters posted:Sue Dibney: still dead. So is Ralph right? I want my Ghost Detectives comics DC!
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Aug 9, 2014 18:21
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Teenage Fansub posted:Zero Year is Bruce's first year as Batman, solo. No Robins at all. There was a backup in the #0 issue about where the Robins to be were at the time, but they only got a page or two each. TwoPair posted:Talkin comic deaths and no one's mentioned that both Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy* are yet to resurrect? Or are we just looking for hero examples? 
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Aug 9, 2014 21:14
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Sue and Ralph are still dead in the same way that classic Wally West is still dead: They don't exist.
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Aug 9, 2014 22:45
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I know 'Zero Year' is the new origin story for Batman, but I thought I had read it ends up spanning several years and goes through some of the Robins as well, as well as having it so Jason Todd was never a Robin. 
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Aug 10, 2014 05:31
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah but unless something really dumb happens, she is going back. That something dumb happened in Battle of the Atom, currently time-travel as a concept rejects the O5. I'm okay with Jason being back, he was dead for a long time and the approach they've done with him has kind of been interesting, making him Killer Robin to just Dickish Robin. Not that that's going to get me reading Red Hood and the Outlaws, though.
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Probably Magic posted:That something dumb happened in Battle of the Atom, currently time-travel as a concept rejects the O5. Aw 
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Aug 10, 2014 06:29
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Are you Scott Lobdell 
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redbackground posted:Well, it's not called Zero Years now, is it?  And it looks like I had accidentally read something about the Jason Todd/Red Hood origin that HitTheTargets mentioned, so ignore me. Also, I picked up the first volume of 'Gotham Central' based on the many recommendations in this thread and I love it already, thanks.
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Aug 10, 2014 11:29
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How can you be surprised when precisely every page of it you ever post - be it by the 'good' writer or the 'bad' one - is absolute garbage with no redeeming features?
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Aug 10, 2014 14:26
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So I guess I should't listen to this Dark_Tzitzimine fellow? Also, now that I've grabbed the first volume of 'Gotham Central', how many of them are worthwhile? I see that Lark left during volume three while Brubaker left in the middle of volume four.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:40
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Also, now that I've grabbed the first volume of 'Gotham Central', how many of them are worthwhile? I see that Lark left during volume three while Brubaker left in the middle of volume four.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:47
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So I guess I should't listen to this Dark_Tzitzimine fellow? He is strange and his opinions unorthodox. I mean, he bought himself that avatar. All of Gotham Central owns bones, buy buy buy.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:16
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So I guess I should't listen to this Dark_Tzitzimine fellow? If you click his avatar it leads to his Tumblr. You can decide what you want to do then. And yeah all of Gotham Central is great.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:37
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Waterhaul posted:If you click his avatar it leads to his Tumblr. Gee, thanks.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:49
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TwoPair posted:Talkin comic deaths and no one's mentioned that both Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy* are yet to resurrect? Or are we just looking for hero examples? Uncle Ben, effectively, isn't really a character as much as a plot point in Spider-Man's origin. It would be like bringing Bruce's parents back to life (...someone's already done that before, haven't they)
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Aug 10, 2014 16:49
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So I guess I should't listen to this Dark_Tzitzimine fellow? Gotham Central is really great. Once you finish it, you should look for some interviews with I think Rucka and Brubaker where they discuss what happened on that book. Really frustrating.
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Aug 10, 2014 23:27
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Was Taters posted:Gotham Central is really great. Once you finish it, you should look for some interviews with I think Rucka and Brubaker where they discuss what happened on that book. Really frustrating. I read a little bit that they got kinda hosed because the Infinite Crisis event was coming up, which would pretty much screw with everything they were doing. So Lark left first, then Brubaker. At that point Rucka felt he couldn't continue without at least one of the other two of the three that made the series so good.
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Aug 11, 2014 00:09
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Adding to the Gotham Central praise. It was a loving fantastic series.
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Aug 11, 2014 00:11
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Waterhaul posted:If you click his avatar it leads to his Tumblr. You can decide what you want to do then. Wait, what? Oh. Oh dear god. SO, What's this Gotham Central thing about? I'm suddenly in the mood to be distracted by something good.
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Aug 11, 2014 00:18
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/\/\/\Cops in Gotham dealing with the fact that there's a vigilante out there doing their jobs and the fallout from that. When you finish Gotham Central move directly onto 52. One of the storylines in that book follows Montoya on her continuing journey.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Wait, what? It's a four volume series about the GCPD and how they deal with both the villains of Gotham and the fact that they have to work with a costumed vigilante. Aside from that anomaly, it's a great police procedural likened somewhat to Law & Order and Renee Montoya is a loving awesome character.
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Anyone else reading Batman Beyond 2.0? I was enjoying it up until the last flashback issue where, I kid you not, Dick comes home from Bludhaven, gets ready to propose to Barbara, and then Barbara tells Bruce she's six weeks pregnant. He congratulates her and Dick. She reminds him Dick has been back for three. Also Barbara goes and fights crime in her civvies, pregnant. wtf happened to my future batman kids' show, DC?
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Aug 11, 2014 00:26
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I found the trades for GC to be a bit confusing. I have been buying them second hand and it seems that I got two different editions so I had two volume 3s that covered different story arcs. Just something to look out for if you are buying the trades.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:It's a four volume series about the GCPD and how they deal with both the villains of Gotham and the fact that they have to work with a costumed vigilante. Aside from that anomaly, it's a great police procedural likened somewhat to Law & Order and Renee Montoya is a loving awesome character. That sounds pretty nice. Hm, the price is decent on amazon and it has Rucka and Brubaker, gonna get the first volume when i get the chance and go on from there. hiddenriverninja posted:Anyone else reading Batman Beyond 2.0? That does not. I always giggled at how creepy it was that they got together and wondered what kinda awful and awkward thing could happen from it, it's great in a way I really wish wasn't canon. Now i'm just picturing Dick telling Batman he's having doubts about proposing because he's used his detective powers to figure out Barbara's pregnant and he doesn't want the proposal to seem like it's just a reaction to it "well, there's time to figure it out at least, she's only three weeks pregnant" "six" "nah, i wasn't near her six weeks ago" "SO, I guess you're well versed in the birds and the bees, and you love Barbara, and look! Alfred made your favorite cookies! Ihavebeenhavingsexwithherandthatsmybaby oh look, the joker escaped! BYE!"
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hiddenriverninja posted:Anyone else reading Batman Beyond 2.0? On the one hand I think it's kind of lazy to make a pregnancy plot the center of dispute when there's plenty other ways you could go about it without it getting tacky. Bruce and Barbara are said to have hooked up in the DCAU, so if people are upset about that they should take it up with Paul Dini and Bruce Timm because Kyle Higgins is just adapting from source material (and considering how Adam Beechen kept mucking up source material during his run I'm pretty thankful for that.) On the other hand, I don't find it to be a situation that's out of tone in a series where a twelve year old was brutally tortured (physically and mentally) for three weeks by the Joker. The whole idea of Beyond is that poo poo really hit the fan and it broke up the entire batfamily until Terry McGinnis came along and reunited them. Is it the best written thing? No. But I don't have any horrible major issues with it...yet. Issue 29 is obviously going to be a continuation of the story so I'm going to reserve final judgment there. I can understand why people don't like it too much though.
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In any other comic, I'd think its dumb drama to stir up more dumb drama, but I really look forward to Terry being on the receiving end of a Liquid Snake-ing. PS issue's out, what are we spoiler tagging for?
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Madkal posted:I found the trades for GC to be a bit confusing. I have been buying them second hand and it seems that I got two different editions so I had two volume 3s that covered different story arcs. Just something to look out for if you are buying the trades. redbackground fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 04:35
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Every time I think DC Trades can't get any worse in my mind more information reveals itself.
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Aug 11, 2014 04:40
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Jetfire posted:Uncle Ben, effectively, isn't really a character as much as a plot point in Spider-Man's origin. It would be like bringing Bruce's parents back to life (...someone's already done that before, haven't they) They're alive in alt-universe things, like Flashpoint and Earth-2.
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Jetfire posted:It would be like bringing Bruce's parents back to life (...someone's already done that before, haven't they) Mr. Maltose posted:Every time I think DC Trades can't get any worse in my mind more information reveals itself. redbackground fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 04:48
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Mr. Maltose posted:Every time I think DC Trades can't get any worse in my mind more information reveals itself. Why did the pre-N52 Batgirl collections not have numbers on their spines? I seem to remember other collections didn't either, but Batgirl stood out to me for a few reasons.
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Batman and Robin (pre-N52) doesn't either. On another note, what was the consensus on Zero Year? Worth picking up in trades when it comes out?
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