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ShadowCatboy posted:You know, I wonder if Zaheer could've astrally projected himself while he was in prison. Would've made his stay less boring. Yeah that's what I theorised earlier in the thread, that he and the other members imprisoned were constantly meeting up in the spirit world while imprisoned.
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Babygravy posted:Yeah that's what I theorised earlier in the thread, that he and the other members imprisoned were constantly meeting up in the spirit world while imprisoned.
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Aug 10, 2014 01:15
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ImpAtom posted:Jinora also mentions that it is a high-level airbender technique. Eeeeeh, I get the feeling she was just saying that to impress Kai seeing as Mr. Truthsayer was also shown astrally projecting, Unalaq was the first person in LoK shown to be able to do it. Yes spirituality is tied to it and because of how spiritual Airbenders tend to be they are kind of naturally apt but I think LoK is demonstrating that anyone spiritual enough should be able to astrally project
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Aces High posted:Eeeeeh, I get the feeling she was just saying that to impress Kai seeing as Mr. Truthsayer was also shown astrally projecting, Unalaq was the first person in LoK shown to be able to do it. Yes spirituality is tied to it and because of how spiritual Airbenders tend to be they are kind of naturally apt but I think LoK is demonstrating that anyone spiritual enough should be able to astrally project Being able to enter the spirit world and being able to astral project are not the same thing though. Anyone can enter the spirit world with enough meditative skill but the ability to astral project which Jinora (and it seems Zaheer, base on how he found Korra) use is an Airbending thing, or at least seems to be. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Aug 10, 2014 |
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Aug 10, 2014 01:53
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Very disappointed that the new thread title isn't "Defeated in Cold Blood."
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Aug 10, 2014 02:04
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I think Zaheer found Korra because Aiwei met him in the spirit world and told him she was at Zaofu. Even Jinora mentioned that there was a limit to how far she could project her spirit, in the physical world.
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Aug 10, 2014 02:23
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ShadowCatboy posted:You know, I wonder if Zaheer could've astrally projected himself while he was in prison. Would've made his stay less boring. Yeah, for him to know about Xi Bao's grove and the mists of lost souls (and not just know about them, how to get there and move in the spirit world) he would have had to have been able to enter the spirit world before this. So the Red Lotus meeting there to coordinate would explain a lot, like how none of them broke - they were never truly isolated, they could always turn to the others for help. It's not like the guards would have interrupted, being in the spirit world essentially looks like sitting quietly, and they let Min Hua and P'll do that.
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Aug 10, 2014 02:35
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I highly doubt any of the members other than Zaheer can enter the spirit world voluntarily.
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Aug 10, 2014 02:52
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Stumpus posted:I don't know man. The fact that an overwhelming majority of stories throughout time build to a climax tends to disagree with you. Not to gloss over your point however, just because they could fall back on making bigger and bigger bads doesn't mean that is what would have happened.
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Aug 10, 2014 05:07
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AVClub can't stop bitching about Rollins' performance but I think it is perfect.
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Aug 10, 2014 08:11
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BrianWilly posted:I highly doubt any of the members other than Zaheer can enter the spirit world voluntarily. Gotta beliiiiiieve. Also I feel good that the whole airbending out of the lungs thing theory I had ended up being true.. Rise up Airbender nation with your dark war time bending!
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Aug 10, 2014 13:28
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It's a lethal technique for sure, but I get the impression there's a lot of ways for any kind of other bender to counter it, if they had to. It works on the queen 'cause she's just a helpless non-bending noncombatant.
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Aug 10, 2014 13:51
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It'd be a funny scene if someone (like Varrick) combated it by plugging their nose and holding their breath.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:06
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DrSunshine posted:It'd be a funny scene if someone (like Varrick) combated it by plugging their nose and holding their breath. Yeah, it most likely is. No way are they going to play something like that for laughs.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:11
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How does one become a monarch of an empire without being a bender? Re earth queen and previous Earth king
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Aug 10, 2014 14:19
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Benders can have non-bending kids (ie. Bumi). It seems that at some point the Earth Kingdom dynasty had no eligible bender successors (if bending was ever a formal requirement to begin with)
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Aug 10, 2014 14:28
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Oh well it's ended now, will be interesting in seeing if they form a new monarchy or maybe do the republic city route with a president.
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BrianWilly posted:It's a lethal technique for sure, but I get the impression there's a lot of ways for any kind of other bender to counter it, if they had to. It works on the queen 'cause she's just a helpless non-bending noncombatant. For any other bending style to put an end to someone, it wouldn't take more than a few seconds. For airbending, Zaheer could give a decent monologue in the length of time it took to take out the Earth Queen. I doubt it's a technique that could be done quickly or in a high pressure situation with lots of things going on. It's more like an assassination technique.
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Xelkelvos posted:For any other bending style to put an end to someone, it wouldn't take more than a few seconds. For airbending, Zaheer could give a decent monologue in the length of time it took to take out the Earth Queen. I doubt it's a technique that could be done quickly or in a high pressure situation with lots of things going on. It's more like an assassination technique. I think we've seen airbenders using anime-style 'razor wind' on inanimate objects before. So this wasn't even the fastest and most efficient way to kill someone with air.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:45
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Rexides posted:Benders can have non-bending kids (ie. Bumi). It seems that at some point the Earth Kingdom dynasty had no eligible bender successors (if bending was ever a formal requirement to begin with)
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Aug 10, 2014 15:01
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BrianWilly posted:It's a lethal technique for sure, but I get the impression there's a lot of ways for any kind of other bender to counter it, if they had to. It works on the queen 'cause she's just a helpless non-bending noncombatant. I don't know, I have a feeling Gyatso used some form of vacuum creation against the comet-enhanced Firebenders during the Air Nation invasion...
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ETB posted:I don't know, I have a feeling Gyatso used some form of vacuum creation against the comet-enhanced Firebenders during the Air Nation invasion... This has been the fan theory since Day One.
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Dang, despite Zaheer's motivations I didn't expect him to off the Earth Queen, especially in such a brutal way. That was right up there with bloodbending in terms of evil as hell looking bending, the only thing I could see topping it would be forcing a person's blood out of their body or forcibly dehydrating them via water bending. I'm looking forward to seeing him try it on Korra, only to be whupped by her popping into one of her rare "season finale only" avatar states. For all the Nickelodeon hate myself and the thread has had, I have to give them props for not batting an eye at all-but-showing a graphic death. This was miles above "boat exploding in the distance," "disappearing from a spirit ritual," and "thrown against the rocks in an active volcano" for me in terms of grittiness. Obviously they're never going to show a death up close and personal, or acknowledge it with words like "kill" and "died," but it's refreshing to see the closest thing to american anime show at least some of the material that has made me such an anime fan.
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Babygravy posted:Oh well it's ended now, will be interesting in seeing if they form a new monarchy or maybe do the republic city route with a president. Well if they follow real history it's a big civil war and then  next.
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That can't happen if there is no substantial political movement to replace the old style of government. The Red Lotus are just four people. There will be some chaos, but eventually the disorganized rabble will be crushed, and the queen will be succeeded by the next-in-line.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:59
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Baron Bifford posted:That can't happen if there is no substantial political movement to replace the old style of government. The Red Lotus are just four people. There will be some chaos, but eventually the disorganized rabble will be crushed, and the queen will be succeeded by the next-in-line. The Red Lotus isn't just four people as we've seen from Aiwei. The four we've seen are probably either at the top or in very high standing of the secret organization.
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Xelkelvos posted:It's more like an assassination technique.
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It's a bloodless method of execution that leaves a nice, intact body for the people to bury.
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Baron Bifford posted:It's a bloodless method of execution that leaves a nice, intact body for the people to bury. Fun fact: In ancient China it was generally considered more desirable in executions to be strangled to death rather than beheaded. Though it's a slower, more agonizing way to die, strangulation left the body intact and preserved its sanctity for burial. 
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ShadowCatboy posted:Fun fact: In ancient China it was generally considered more desirable in executions to be strangled to death rather than beheaded. Though it's a slower, more agonizing way to die, strangulation left the body intact and preserved its sanctity for burial.
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Babygravy posted:Oh well it's ended now, will be interesting in seeing if they form a new monarchy or maybe do the republic city route with a president.  There's no way this will end well.
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Aug 10, 2014 20:26
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In an astonishing upset, Varrick becomes President of the Earth Kingdom. Hilarity ensues.
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DrSunshine posted:In an astonishing upset, Varrick becomes President of the Earth Kingdom. Hilarity ensues. I'd watch this.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:37
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What even is the ideal outcome for the Earth Kingdom at this point? As much as I've been enjoying the heck out of this season, I can't deny that we're at this scary Book 1 place where they've set up a lot of threads so well that the potential of loving it all up with half-assed resolutions is also really high.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:49
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BrianWilly posted:What even is the ideal outcome for the Earth Kingdom at this point? Ideal for story purposes? Ba Sing Se descends into a literal class war, expanding on the abandoned themes of the non-bender revolution in season 1.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:52
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I kind of am expecting this to carry on into next season with Korra and co either losing hard or getting into a stalemate (maybe some of the team being pretty banged up or the majority of Ba Sing Se citizens standing with the Red Lotus?) and having to leave the city. Could be an interesting mirror of Aang having to flee at the end of his second book. This is the first season of Korra where they 100% sure they were getting more after while writing it right?
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thebardyspoon posted:I kind of am expecting this to carry on into next season with Korra and co either losing hard or getting into a stalemate (maybe some of the team being pretty banged up or the majority of Ba Sing Se citizens standing with the Red Lotus?) and having to leave the city. Could be an interesting mirror of Aang having to flee at the end of his second book. This is the first season of Korra where they 100% sure they were getting more after while writing it right? Honestly, I'm thinking it may end up being more of a foil to Aang's journey: Instead of losing badly, Korra manages to ultimately claim victory in retaking Ba Sing Se, though probably in a highly-Pyrrhic manner, and still having to deal with all of the rest of the Red Lotus (including any sleeper agents). ...Insane speculation: President Raiko will be revealed to be one such agent.
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BrianWilly posted:What even is the ideal outcome for the Earth Kingdom at this point?
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Legend of Korra Book 3: gently caress the Ocean 
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Book 1 had a few problems even before the finale that Book 3 is free of, mainly the love triangle, and the fact that we had never seen any real example of systematic oppression of non-benders. Book 3 is in a much better position going into its endgame than Book 1.
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