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Mahoning posted:Yeah it pretty much looks like Tony Stewart is following the line of the 45 car, which narrowly avoids hitting the young driver. In the video even, the kid disappears behind the 45 car for a second or two. It's not inconceivable that Tony Stewart didn't see the kid in the dark racing suit until he was very close to him and then gunned the engine to avoid hitting him. It was really his only option if he already thought he was going to hit him, since turning the wheel while not in the throttle does nothing in these sprint cars on a dirt track. Well if your first paragraph is what happened, he shouldn't even lose a dime. The whole incident happened because Stewart unsuccessfully went for a slide job, never touching the kid, and the kid never let off and stuffed himself in the wall. Not only was it originally a racing accident, but in terms of sprints specifically, the kid was more at fault for getting in the wall than Stewart is. I mean, I'm not one to victim blame here but as a sprint car fan my whole life the kid seems at fault to me all the way around for the whole thing.
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Though, in full disclosure I've been a Stewart fan for over 20 years, since he was just starting out in midgets. To balance that out, I'll post this reminder that Stewart might be a loving lunatic, I dunno.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:21
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Congratulations to Tony Stewart, this will be the biggest sports story of the century to date. Yeah this bigger than OJ! Lol they likely won't even charge him.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:21
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VikingSkull posted:Well if your first paragraph is what happened, he shouldn't even lose a dime. The burden of proof in a civil trial is a hell of a lot different than in a criminal trial. It's "based on the preponderance of evidence" instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt". All they would need to prove in a civil trial is that Tony Stewart recklessly tried to scare the kid and killed him. If 50.1% of the evidence supports that, Tony would lose. No, I'm not a lawyer. Yes, I might be talking out of my rear end.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:23
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I know you can't base a judgement off it, but shouldn't Tony be complicit in the glamorization of doing this kind of poo poo in the first place?
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Aug 10, 2014 15:24
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AP: tony not racing.
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Mahoning posted:The burden of proof in a civil trial is a hell of a lot different than in a criminal trial. It's "based on the preponderance of evidence" instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt". The far more likely outcome here is that before a civil trial even happens Smoke will do everything in his power to provide whatever the family needs. He's an rear end, but he's also one of the most charitable figures in American professional sports.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:27
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They changed their minds: https://twitter.com/breakingnews/status/498475588680962048
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Aug 10, 2014 15:28
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Aug 10, 2014 15:34
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I'm glad he's not racing today. I think it's a smart decision to take some time away from the track.
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Darth123123 posted:Yeah this bigger than OJ!
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That's a good decision that the team made but the mere fact that the co-owner had to be talked out of this after he, intentionally or unintentionally, killed someone is fairly indicative of...something. Call it a lack of conscience or a general tone deafness, in my opinion something is off in that man's head that he saw nothing wrong with racing today and had no feelings of his own telling him not to. If it were me I wouldn't be able to.
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VH4Ever posted:That's a good decision that the team made but the mere fact that the co-owner had to be talked out of this after he, intentionally or unintentionally, killed someone is fairly indicative of...something. Call it a lack of conscience or a general tone deafness, in my opinion something is off in that man's head that he saw nothing wrong with racing today and had no feelings of his own telling him not to. If it were me I wouldn't be able to. Zipadelli said Stewart was the one who made the decision and the team just supported him. As for waiting until this morning to make that decision, I'm guessing he was in shock and not thinking clearly about much of anything. A few hours probably helped clear his head so he could make the decision he did to not drive.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:45
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VH4Ever posted:That's a good decision that the team made but the mere fact that the co-owner had to be talked out of this after he, intentionally or unintentionally, killed someone is fairly indicative of...something. Call it a lack of conscience or a general tone deafness, in my opinion something is off in that man's head that he saw nothing wrong with racing today and had no feelings of his own telling him not to. If it were me I wouldn't be able to. In his defense, in the outside chance that this was a freak accident and he had done literally nothing wrong, he probably would have been in a completely hosed state of mind following what happened. It's very believable that he'd make an irrational decision, wake up and realize that there are a million reasons to not get in the car.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:47
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Rand McNally posted:Um, do they have metal detectors at the gate there? Just curious. They have bag checks at ISC tracks, of which the Glen is one.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:49
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If Stewart wanted to drive that team couldn't stop him. I'd believe that he made the call if that's what's being reported. This is a sport where drivers have died at the start of the race and the race was continued. If what happened last night was a terrible accident, then I dunno how him racing today would be an issue. Sometimes fatalities in racing make races end and drivers park, sometimes they don't. It's something oddly specific to auto racing that you won't find in any other sporting event. Being involved in racing either as a fan or an active participant means that on some level you accept death as a part of it.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:50
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VikingSkull posted:This is a sport where drivers have died at the start of the race and the race was continued. If what happened last night was a terrible accident, then I dunno how him racing today would be an issue. Sometimes fatalities in racing make races end and drivers park, sometimes they don't. It's something oddly specific to auto racing that you won't find in any other sporting event. Even if he's as innocent as he could possibly be, with the way the media and public relations are right now it's in his and everyone else's best interest to not race half a day after killing a dude. To the public's eye it's out of respect to the dead guy or for his own mental health reasons, even if that's not true. It's the right move.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:54
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kidcoelacanth posted:Even if he's as innocent as he could possibly be, with the way the media and public relations are right now it's in his and everyone else's best interest to not race half a day after killing a dude. To the public's eye it's out of respect to the dead guy or for his own mental health reasons, even if that's not true. It's the right move. Exactly.
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Aug 10, 2014 15:58
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yeah it probably is, tbh
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Aug 10, 2014 15:58
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He'll lose some cash in the civil suit, but not all that much. Just stick to the message that the other guy was doing something that he wasn't supposed to be doing, and so who could have predicted it. His sponsors are going to chew him up, though. There's not much glory in associating your brand with a driver when people say "oh THAT guy" at the drop of his name.
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Aug 10, 2014 16:23
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Isn't this the same guy who nearly killed a few people last year?
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Maybe the NRA will sponsor him. They wrote the book on deflecting blame for people's deaths.
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Eifert Posting posted:Isn't this the same guy who nearly killed a few people last year? he's the guy that broke his leg in a sprint last year, in sprints Jason Leffler, ex-NASCAR, died in one also Kyle Larson put half his car in the stands at Daytona last year and wounded ~20
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Aug 10, 2014 16:30
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Craptacular! posted:He'll lose some cash in the civil suit, but not all that much. Just stick to the message that the other guy was doing something that he wasn't supposed to be doing, and so who could have predicted it. But there is no better brand recognition!
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Aug 10, 2014 16:30
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Eifert Posting posted:Isn't this the same guy who nearly killed a few people last year? He triggered something like a 15-car pileup at that same track last year and a 19-year-old female driver ended up with a compression fracture in her back.
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Aug 10, 2014 16:32
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BUT GUNNING THE ENGINE IS THE ONLY WAY THESE CARS CAN TURN *six cars coast past man on track, seventh guns the engine to turn*
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ALFbrot posted:BUT GUNNING THE ENGINE IS THE ONLY WAY THESE CARS CAN TURN *man runs towards one specific car*
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Blitz7x posted:Smokey and the Bandit 3 There was already a 3.  Eifert Posting posted:Isn't this the same guy who nearly killed a few people last year? He broke his leg in a crash at the same track last year. ...because, if I remember right, didn't he spin to avoid t-boning another driver?
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CBJSprague24 posted:...because, if I remember right, didn't he spin to avoid t-boning another driver? ....that he didn't see, at night, immediately after a yellow was thrown, 'cause it was in the middle of the track
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VikingSkull posted:....that he didn't see, at night, immediately after a yellow was thrown, 'cause it was in the middle of the track But to be fair that car was coming straight for him.
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Yes that was a joke.
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It's amazing to me that it sounds like it isn't being criminally investigated. Yeah, maybe this was all a natural result and there's nothing Stewart could have done to avoid hitting the kid. You know what would help to prove that? A criminal investigation.
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VikingSkull posted:*man runs towards one specific car* *driver of said car guns throttle* I refuse to believe that, at those speeds, gunning the throttle is the best way to turn. The car wasn't going very fast, but suddenly, the huge back tires were rotating very, very fast, because noted racing hothead Tony Stewart decided to be the one driver to push his foot down on the gas pedal. edit: No, I don't think Tony meant to hit or kill the kid. I think, at worst, he was trying to scare him. At best, he couldn't avoid him. I think it's likely a lot closer to worst than best.
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CBJSprague24 posted:There was already a 3. He wasn't at Canandaigua. He was at Southern Iowa when he broke his leg.
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I don't know poo poo about racing, but in any other instance I can think of where a human being unquestionably kills another human being on video there is generally a criminal investigation.
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I for one am totally sure a guy who has in the past vowed to do everything in his power to kill another driver didn't intentionally try to kill another driver.
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Eifert Posting posted:It's amazing to me that it sounds like it isn't being criminally investigated. Yeah, maybe this was all a natural result and there's nothing Stewart could have done to avoid hitting the kid. You know what would help to prove that? It is being investigated, the DA has been assigned the investigation. But from what I can tell, it's just a routine death investigation ALFbrot posted:edit: No, I don't think Tony meant to hit or kill the kid. I think, at worst, he was trying to scare him. At best, he couldn't avoid him. I think it's likely a lot closer to worst than best. Premeditation is only one type of murder. You can murder someone by being reckless with a high risk of death. I.e., gunning your car at someone to scare them.
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Byolante posted:I for one am totally sure a guy who has in the past vowed to do everything in his power to kill another driver didn't intentionally try to kill another driver. I have vowed to kill another player in Munchkin. Edit: loving kneepads of allure.
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Personally, I would think you would remember what part of the track you spun someone out on. Then you would think in the back of your mind "There is a car spun out there now, I'll be careful when I come around again. The best way to be careful is to gun the throttle right next to that car." Regardless of whether or not he saw the kid on the track, he knew the car was there because he put it there.
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Eifert Posting posted:I have vowed to kill another player in Munchkin. Do you have a long and storied history of attacking other munchkin players?
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