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I hate to say it, but as excited as I am about the four Netflix series (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage), I'm worried that Cage can maintain a solo series. I imagine the other characters will appear in his episodes, but Cage is a character that works best interacting with others: with Iron Fist, Misty, and Colleen for years in Heroes For Hire, with Jessica in Alias, in New Avengers, and leading the Thunderbolts. He's never had a rogues' gallery or a supporting cast, aside from all of those affiliations. That's why I'd love to see a Thunderbolts movie that introduces Cage as a wrongfully-sentenced criminal among the other supervillains, but the movie would quickly make clear that he's a good dude who got a raw deal, setting him up for his Netflix series.
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Aug 10, 2014 05:02
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I hate to say it, but as excited as I am about the four Netflix series (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage), I'm worried that Cage can maintain a solo series. I imagine the other characters will appear in his episodes, but Cage is a character that works best interacting with others: with Iron Fist, Misty, and Colleen for years in Heroes For Hire, with Jessica in Alias, in New Avengers, and leading the Thunderbolts. He's never had a rogues' gallery or a supporting cast, aside from all of those affiliations. I guess his solo series that lasted 50 issues never happened.
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Aug 10, 2014 05:59
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bobkatt013 posted:I guess his solo series that lasted 50 issues never happened. I know it exists, but I've never read it, and I couldn't name any important stories or characters from it. Before Bendis pushed Cage to the forefront, he was kind of a joke -- the yellow shirt, chain belt, tiara, and "Sweet Christmas!" That solo series was from a very different era, and everything he's been in over the last 15 years has him as part of an ensemble. Don't get me wrong, I like Cage a lot, but he doesn't have a lot of well-known or well-loved solo history to mine for a TV series. Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Aug 10, 2014 |
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Aug 10, 2014 07:41
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He doesn't have to. He's a man who was sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit, and upon his escape, changes his name and decides to make a living as a freelance superhuman. You can get more than a season's worth of plots out of that premise without having to do live-action Mr. Fish. That said, I'll be kind of disappointed if that dude with the multi-barreled shotgun doesn't show up. That was all you had to do to be a supervillain in the '70s: add more than two barrels to a twelve-gauge and it was off to the races.
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Aug 10, 2014 10:06
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Have both the Iron Fist and Cage netflix series end with them realizing they can fight crime better together. Its just too bad we'll never see that moment from New Avengers where they find out who Spiderman is and Jessica reveals she had the biggest crush on Parker in high school.
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Aug 10, 2014 16:50
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I hate to say it, but as excited as I am about the four Netflix series (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage), I'm worried that Cage can maintain a solo series. Racist.
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Aug 10, 2014 19:46
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Let's not go there. He has the least amount of pre-existing material they can draw from -- that's all I meant, and you know that. But Luke Cage: Hero For Hire could be turn out to be a fine a procedural show with a different case (and villain?) in each episode. And if they introduce his series after Jessica Jones and Iron Fist, they could always show up too.
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Aug 10, 2014 20:54
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Let's not go there. He has the least amount of pre-existing material they can draw from -- that's all I meant, and you know that. But Luke Cage: Hero For Hire could be turn out to be a fine a procedural show with a different case (and villain?) in each episode. And if they introduce his series after Jessica Jones and Iron Fist, they could always show up too. Luke Cage has less existing material than Jessica Jones?
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Aug 10, 2014 21:05
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Rhyno posted:Luke Cage has less existing material than Jessica Jones? Familiar, adaptable, TV-friendly storylines, sure. Alias is already structured like a TV series, the way 2000s-era comics often are. But Luke has been teamed up with Danny or appearing in Bendis-written comics as long as anyone remembers or has been paying attention. His '70s solo stories are pretty much forgotten or unknown. That's all I meant, and I didn't mean to stir up any unnecessary controversy.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:12
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Luke's also got a couple of solo stories from Bendis's New Avengers, like the bit Ewing just referenced where he and Jessica tracked down his father; the Azzarello/Corbin MAX miniseries; his short-lived '90s series; and forty years of incidental appearances in other books, including a strong starring role in the early '70s Defenders. It's not that he doesn't have much, but rather that a big chunk of his early stories are probably too controversial to touch. If anything, I'd argue that Danny's worse off than he is, since so many of his recent solo stories involve one of three plots: his relationship with Misty, his father's proud legacy of being a complete toolbox, and/or terrible things happening back in K'un-lun.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:43
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To be fair, the first Iron Fist run where he leaves Kun Lun and tracks down his father's killer(?) could be a pretty good mini-series.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:45
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Was the Luke Cage Max series any good? He also had a Marvel Noir mini that I only read about half of, but what I read was decent. Luke Cage should actually be one of the easier things to adapt, at least for opening arcs. A man, just released from prison, comes back to his old neighborhood irrevocably changed, him and the people he knew before going to jail deal navigate the new him.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:50
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If anything I'm more curious about how the Iron Fist Netflix show will be handled. I wonder if they'll have the kind of budget that a K'un L'un story would require.
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Aug 10, 2014 21:56
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Skwirl posted:Was the Luke Cage Max series any good? I like it well enough. It's Brian Azzarello doing a Cage-flavored arc of 100 Bullets, and Corbin's art is pretty much everything you'd expect out of him. Some people hate it like rats, though, which is to be expected.
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Aug 10, 2014 22:21
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I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being a fairly "Black Dynamite" joke character. There's going to be enough brooding serious characterization between Daredevil and Iron Fist alone, I'd rather see him just being the light hearted jokester to Iron Fist's straight serious disciplined nature. Dacap posted:If anything I'm more curious about how the Iron Fist Netflix show will be handled. I wonder if they'll have the kind of budget that a K'un L'un story would require. I'd guess they might not even bother to go there. While that's integral to the story in comics, K'un L'un could just as well be a Karate Dojo in Chinatown that has a dragon statue that comes alive and Danny's a student that fights it and the legend becomes real. While I love the mythos and would flip my poo poo if I ever saw a trilogy of The Immortal Iron Fist in cinematic form, for what they're trying to do with a street team here, I think it's in their best interest to stay away from as much of the larger universe as possible.
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Aug 10, 2014 23:18
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PaybackJack posted:I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being a fairly "Black Dynamite" joke character. I've said it before, but doing a blacksploitation character ironically still leaves you with doing blacksploitation in 2014. Black Dynamite's really funny, but it's also a personal project by a black director.
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Aug 10, 2014 23:29
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Mr. Maltose posted:To be fair, the first Iron Fist run where he leaves Kun Lun and tracks down his father's killer(?) could be a pretty good mini-series. I would love that, only because the, "No! Come back here and kill me!" scene could be killer acted out.
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Aug 11, 2014 01:30
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I think it would be pretty easy to adapt 70's K'un Lun. It was pretty much just a nice office.
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Aug 11, 2014 03:14
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Lurdiak posted:I've said it before, but doing a blacksploitation character ironically still leaves you with doing blacksploitation in 2014. Black Dynamite's really funny, but it's also a personal project by a black director. So the same director couldn't take up Luke Cage and do a similar series but live action? I'm not saying it has to be completely over the top but I like the idea of having the next black marvel hero be humorous instead of another extremely serious character that we've seen from Fury, Deathlok, and Falcon.
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Aug 11, 2014 20:19
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PaybackJack posted:So the same director couldn't take up Luke Cage and do a similar series but live action? I'm not saying it has to be completely over the top but I like the idea of having the next black marvel hero be humorous instead of another extremely serious character that we've seen from Fury, Deathlok, and Falcon. Have you actually seen Captain America 2? I can't imagine anyone who has describing Falcon as EXTREMELY SERIOUS
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Aug 11, 2014 20:42
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Senor Candle posted:Have you actually seen Captain America 2? I can't imagine anyone who has describing Falcon as EXTREMELY SERIOUS Alright he had some not serious lines, but I have a hard time calling a guy who's main character point is "disillusioned middle eastern war veteran" a comedy character. I also forgot about Don Cheadle, who they lightened up considerably in the third movie. My point was that the leader of the Heroes could be a fun loving Luke Cage who's teamed up with brooding vigilante Daredevil, I'm-not-serious-I'm-meditating Iron Fist, and pissed of former victim Jessica Jones; and it's Cage's job to lighten them all up and remind them that being a hero can be fun. I guess another way to say it would be that I feel like Arrow is already doing a good job as a street level crime fighting hero show, and I think just seeing the marvel version of that would be boring. Senor Candle posted:How does it feel to live in a black and white world? That's a nice over exaggeration of my opinion, but since I let the dog off the chain with some hyperbole I guess I deserve it. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 21:10
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PaybackJack posted:Alright he had some not serious lines, but I have a hard time calling a guy who's main character point is "disillusioned middle eastern war veteran" a comedy character. How does it feel to live in a black and white world?
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Aug 11, 2014 21:12
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PaybackJack posted:So the same director couldn't take up Luke Cage and do a similar series but live action? I'm not saying it has to be completely over the top but I like the idea of having the next black marvel hero be humorous instead of another extremely serious character that we've seen from Fury, Deathlok, and Falcon. No he can't, because he's Bronze Tiger. Michael Jai White has actually been campaigning to be Luke Cage for years. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 21:28
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Anyone read this thing on Axis? http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54736 I'm suddenly kinda very worried. 
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Aug 11, 2014 21:29
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Holy hell. I started squirming a little when I saw them mentioning alignment so often - this isn't D&D, guys, you can't just slap a helm of opposite alignment on Tony Stark - but then I got to the part about Kluh. This is going to be a trainwreck of epic proportions.
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Aug 11, 2014 21:34
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Anyone read this thing on Axis? I do not know. It looks so batshit insane, and I can not wait to read it.
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Aug 11, 2014 21:35
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I was kinda glad thinking this would probably "HAVE RAMIFICATIONS IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE" the same way every event was, but then they talk about Thor and it looks like him becoming unworthy is simply because Loki made everyone switch sides or whatever. 
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Aug 11, 2014 21:36
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That sounds loving terrible. "After introductions, Marvel PR guru Chris D'Lando kicked off the call with a quick explanation of "AXIS" and the "recalibration of the Marvel Universe's moral compass" in "Inversion," which features Marvel heroes and villains having their roles inverted." "It's not going to be one thing from A to Z. I veer the wheel a few times, crash the car, careen off the cliff, go onto an embankment, meet a homeless guy and play the harmonica." "Flipping his alignment turns him back into who he was, which shows the growth the character has had since his first appearance," (In regards to Iron Man) "this is all fireworks factory. There is no lead-up," "While we're going to be jumping ahead eight months, 'Avengers' and 'New Avengers' are going to be telling their stories. You're going to get hints and teases as it's going," said Brevoort. "We don't want to reveal Iron Man's new setup before he's inverted in 'AXIS.' That's only two issues later, all we have to do is not use Iron Man for two issues. … It should all work alright."
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Aug 11, 2014 21:38
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One bit I "love" is that apparently there was an early draft with Captain Falcon flying around and saving tons of people, but that was taken off and he just has a few conflicts with X-men.
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Aug 11, 2014 21:50
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I was kinda glad thinking this would probably "HAVE RAMIFICATIONS IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE" the same way every event was, but then they talk about Thor and it looks like him becoming unworthy is simply because Loki made everyone switch sides or whatever. Who knew it was as simple as flipping the switch from "good guys are good guys" to "good guys are bad guys"?
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Aug 11, 2014 21:55
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"But it's not that simple, they're not just switching sides, for example, Tony will become basically a bad guy and drink again, meanwhile, Carnage will be a good guy and not kill and Sabretooth is going to get a conscious and stop killing, see? see how they're not simply switching sides??????"
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Aug 11, 2014 22:05
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If Loki does it, it might literally be a switch.
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Aug 11, 2014 22:06
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Seems to me as though Remender's the first (?) big-name writer who's made nostalgia for X-Men books from the 1990s his stock-in-trade.
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Aug 11, 2014 22:07
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Aphrodite posted:If Loki does it, it might literally be a switch. And that'd be fun. I think my issue is that they're going to devote about a year to these characters with a good guy switch turned down, if it were just for the event, then yeah, go hog wild, the battle's about to get good when Loki literally flips a switch and suddenly Iron Man feels he doesn't have enough booze in his system and that now that Steve Jobs is dead he's got a good field to get cash on. Right now it just sounds like the exact opposite of Original Sin.
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Aug 11, 2014 22:12
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Metal Loaf posted:Seems to me as though Remender's the first (?) big-name writer who's made nostalgia for X-Men books from the 1990s his stock-in-trade. Mike Carey was on that tip for a while.
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Aug 11, 2014 22:29
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Right now it just sounds like the exact opposite of Original Sin.
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Aug 11, 2014 22:33
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Kluh sounds like an idea that would come from the New 52. Really, everything about this event sounds like something that would be in the New 52.
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Aug 11, 2014 22:37
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HorseRenoir posted:Kluh sounds like an idea that would come from the New 52. Really, everything about this event sounds like something that would be in the New 52. It's sounds like an idea Loeb would have done in his Red Hulk run
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Aug 11, 2014 22:43
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HorseRenoir posted:Kluh sounds like an idea that would come from the New 52. Really, everything about this event sounds like something that would be in the New 52. And the editor in charge of DC's entire New 52 line is... the same editor who was in charge of the X-Men in the 1990s. 
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HorseRenoir posted:Kluh sounds like an idea that would come from the New 52. Really, everything about this event sounds like something that would be in the New 52. Yes, and now I'm a bit worried. Hesitantly optimistic, but still worried.
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