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What is the best version of El? This poll is closed. |
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99 | 31.94% |
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153 | 49.35% |
| Elves |
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i'm making stupid jokes about those screenshots because holy poo poo i don't know how to approach that in a serious and reasoned manner 
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gnome7 posted:The art for all of the playbooks was done by Clove, who I talked about earlier in the thread: Man, it looks (if anything) like an actual fresh take on Tolkien-esque fantasy and that is pretty great in itself. Also, the art is wonderful.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:22
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One of Ettin's comrades wrote this, even the Council of Outrage Brigade is aware that Ettin goes too far.quote:Look at Ettin, look at him, the peaceful enemy of all constraint.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:24
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Clove does pretty boss art, and by all indications is a robot because he'll finish it like you just hit a print button.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:25
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Ratpick posted:I'm absolutely in love with this idea. Does the GM get to make choices as to what types of moves the Overlord has? You bet they do. Overlord's Wrath starting move posted:You are difficult to fight, and that's putting it lightly. You have the Hand, Close, Reach, and Near tags, and can fight at any range without issue. You have a themed powerset, such as Shadows, Fire, Ghosts, or something equally dangerous. You can produce an army (two tags of your choice, and a Cost of your choice) whenever you need it, and replace it whenever it is destroyed. If you need more than one army at a time, you need to spend time gathering them. I think that's enough spoilers for today, I should get back to writing the thing.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:25
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How can anyone sit back after making the posts in those screenshots and think 'hm, yes, this is what my life is and should be.' how is that possible
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Aug 11, 2014 23:26
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gnome7 posted:The art for all of the playbooks was done by Clove, who I talked about earlier in the thread: This looks super great.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:28
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Looking forward to Fellowship even more, now.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:29
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that overlord is swag as gently caress
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Aug 11, 2014 23:29
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Mors Rattus posted:How can anyone sit back after making the posts in those screenshots and think 'hm, yes, this is what my life is and should be.' Be Zak S, lack any sort of self awareness
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Aug 11, 2014 23:29
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Mors Rattus posted:How can anyone sit back after making the posts in those screenshots and think 'hm, yes, this is what my life is and should be.' I dunno, the guy probably thinks it gives him a measure of power and influence and makes him feel like he can affect the world. That kind of small-minded rear end in a top hat is probably pretty super satisfied whenever he gets to make that kind of post.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:31
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I feel like always letting the players always declare that the Evil Overlord is kinda stupid may lead to some unintended consequences.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:31
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Kai Tave posted:I feel like always letting the players always declare that the Evil Overlord is kinda stupid may lead to some unintended consequences. Name an Evil Overlord in fiction that isn't Kinda Stupid at least some of the time
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Aug 11, 2014 23:33
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Darwinism posted:Be Zak S, lack any sort of self awareness I mean... yeah, but you'd expect the guy who keeps trying to paint himself as the victim to not post something that is straightforwardly "INTERNET BULLY THESE DUDES". Like even if he's an rear end in a top hat, you'd expect him to have some concept of subtlety. In less depressing news, goons (in this thread) have now donated $1680.07 to charity. Tulul fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 23:33
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Kai Tave posted:I feel like always letting the players always declare that the Evil Overlord is kinda stupid may lead to some unintended consequences. Yeah, I feel the same way. Cross two options out and the players cross one option out would work pretty well as an alternate selection method.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:34
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Tulul posted:In less depressing news, goons (in this thread) have now donated $1679.07 to charity. More than that, or did you miss Stormgale's awesome $205 contribution? Makes me ashamed that every cent I've got is on a budget for my move cross-country.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:35
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Finally got home, in for a chunk of my gencon pocket money.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:37
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You know he's going to demand access to donation records from the Trevor Project and ASAN to add to his enemies list, right? Anyway, $50 to ASAN, largely because Cam endorsed them.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:40
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Darwinism posted:Name an Evil Overlord in fiction that isn't Kinda Stupid at least some of the time Most of them, really? I mean, a lot of villains act stupid because of ego or just so the plot can keep going, but most of them aren't actually morons, they just make mistakes. Making the villain an idiot kind of implies a tone more like Cucumber Quest, which is totally fine, but the rest of the game (which looks cool) seems to be going for something at least a little more serious. Darwinism posted:More than that, or did you miss Stormgale's awesome $205 contribution? 51.25+10.25+51.25+102.50+11+50+15.37+51.25+10.25+10.25+10.25+30+52.53+25+10.25+10.50+41+10.25+10.25+77+51.25+50+ 20.50+50+100+51.25+20.50+100+20.50+20.50+46.90+50+10.25+10.25+20+10.50+33+10.25+50+10.25+205+41+21+26.77+10+20.50+50=$1750.57. I was off by a dollar, whoops. Tulul fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 23:41
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An Open Letter To Zak S From Someone Who Isn't His Fan, But Should Be: Dear Zak S, Look, I'm predisposed to liking you. I like old D&D, I like books about urban adventure, and I like porn. I have the DCC and ACKS books sitting right next to me. I read blogs like Gorgonmilk and the Dungeon Dozen. Hell, I used to read your blog a bit, ages ago. Like many other people, I thought a blog giving a voice to a pretty much neglected demographic in the RPG world would be a cool idea. I'm pretty sure we have similar taste in comics and books. I'm your target customer. In an ideal world I'd have a copy of Vornheim and I'd be using it to spice up cities in my setting. But I don't have it, and I'm pretty sure I never will. In an ideal world, I'd be checking out your blog and talking up col supplements by this pornstar artist dude. But instead, I don't like you. Why? Well... Nobody cares that you like old D&D. Nobody cares that you've published some books for it. Nobody cares that your cock has been on film. Nobody even cares that you disagree with them. I disagree with things many of the people you've gotten into spats say. While for the most part I do agree with most things Tracy Hurley or Cam Banks have to say, there's some finer points where I don't. I don't think that Maxim article was particularly harmful, for example. I'm sure they'd be the first to say that's fine. Reasonable individuals can have differences of opinion, as long as they respect each other. Why are you making them so mad, then? Why are people so mad about a line of text in the new edition of D&D? Well, you clearly don't respect or give a poo poo about people who've committed the crime of not 100% agreeing with your opinions. People care that you're a tremendous dick to them for little reason other than disagreements. They care because you use your girlfriend's illness as a shield against criticism. They care because you do things like this cockbrained "answer me a question and I'll donate to a charity" campaign to try and force people who don't want to talk to you into changing their stance (it's not about having a dialogue is it?) instead of just leaving them the hell alone. They are because you urge your fans to do things like "destroy" articles or discussion pages that don't agree with you.There is no campaign of prudes against you. Nobody is trying to silence you. There's no conspiracy of storygamers or people who hate old D&D against you. Wake the gently caress up, man. You can disagree with someone without actively attacking them. Disagreement is not a reason to try and destroy somebody. And you gotta stop being so drat manipulative! Until you realize all that, you're pretty much a lost cause. Where can I post this so he'll actually see it? Google Plus? Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 23:43
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Tulul posted:I mean... yeah, but you'd expect the guy who keeps trying to paint himself as the victim to not post something that is straightforwardly "INTERNET BULLY THESE DUDES". Like even if he's an rear end in a top hat, you'd expect him to have some concept of subtlety. I keep getting Monty Burns flashes of 'unleash the hounds' while looking at those screenshots. I used to think Pundit was more toxic for the hobby, but Zak is more insidious. Tulul posted:
Which is pretty awesome, the cause might have been depressing but the outcome isn't.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:43
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Kai Tave posted:I feel like always letting the players always declare that the Evil Overlord is kinda stupid may lead to some unintended consequences. I don't know, whenever there's an Evil Overlord in one of my games they are always kinda stupid. It's one of those things that comes with the genre, I think: even the most powerful Evil Overlord, backed by a huge army of monsters and possessing immeasurable cosmic power, is always bound to suffer from hubris and is always bound to make that one fatal error. That one fatal error just always happens to be underestimating the heroes.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:43
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Lightning Lord posted:An Open Letter To Zak S From Someone Who Isn't His Fan, But Should Be: You can post it there and do +Zak Smith and he'll be pinged to look at it.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:45
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Darwinism posted:Name an Evil Overlord in fiction that isn't Kinda Stupid at least some of the time I'd say it's less "kinda stupid" and more "have a couple of blind spots." Like, that was Sauron's (the quintessential Evil Overlord) deal, he simply couldn't comprehend the idea that someone might give the One Ring to a couple of dinky hobbits and tell them to go chuck it in Mount Doom, giving up incredible power. But I don't know that I would necessarily call Sauron "kinda stupid." This may just be me quibbling over semantics, and there are plenty of examples of big bad guys who are also pretty dumb, but in *World games fiction and the presentation thereof does matter so calling someone "kinda stupid" means something, and also it seems like a very open-ended weakness when the others are much more specific (unable to pierce a certain thing, weak to a specific thing, bails on fights, keeps their word).
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Tulul posted:Most of them, really? I mean, a lot of villains act stupid because of ego or just so the plot can keep going, but most of them aren't actually morons, they just make mistakes. Making the villain an idiot kind of implies a tone more like Cucumber Quest, which is totally fine, but the rest of the game (which looks cool) seems to be going for something at least a little more serious. True, but 'kind of an idiot' could apply to literally every Bond villain ever, among other things. I dunno, being 'easily tricked or distracted,' seems to fall into the purview of most villains to me, it's not like you're mandating that they're idiots, just that they're not so quick to catch on to your Clever Hero Schemes. edit: Seems like it's just in the name. If it were swapped to 'Blind spot for heroics' or such, there'd be no problem. Tulul posted:51.25+10.25+51.25+102.50+11+50+15.37+51.25+10.25+10.25+10.25+30+52.53+25+10.25+10.50+41+10.25+10.25+77+51.25+50+ And I'm dumb, too, because I forgot you were the one keeping the total updated!
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Aug 11, 2014 23:46
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Darwinism posted:True, but 'kind of an idiot' could apply to literally every Bond villain ever, among other things. I dunno, being 'easily tricked or distracted,' seems to fall into the purview of most villains to me, it's not like you're mandating that they're idiots, just that they're not so quick to catch on to your Clever Hero Schemes. I have replaced Kinda Stupid with: • You are Blinded By Hubris and can be easily tricked or distracted This kinda thing is what playtesting and showing stuff off is for!
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Aug 11, 2014 23:51
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Maybe just make it "Is kind of stupid, prone to hubris, overlooking that one critical flaw in his plan, or some other personality flaw that may spell disaster for their fiendish plots (and life)." [edit] I am too slow!
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Aug 11, 2014 23:53
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Hooray! I like "hubris".
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Aug 11, 2014 23:53
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Lightning Lord posted:An Open Letter To Zak S From Someone Who Isn't His Fan, But Should Be: You know he'll either ignore it or explode in his vindictive robotic way. Do it anyway, then link it here so we can watch.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:54
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Tulul posted:I mean... yeah, but you'd expect the guy who keeps trying to paint himself as the victim to not post something that is straightforwardly "INTERNET BULLY THESE DUDES". Like even if he's an rear end in a top hat, you'd expect him to have some concept of subtlety.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:54
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Plague of Hats posted:Hooray! I like "hubris". Yea 'hubris' fits really well, very few big bads in 'serious' settings are DUMB, they're just so egotistical and poo poo they can't imagine a petty lesser race could ever hurt them or whatever. Hubris makes it sound like it's a well deserved fall, which is how it should be for the players, rather than a group of assholes kinda taking advantage of an idiot.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:57
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I think that works a lot better because it provides a more specific point of "vulnerability" (that is, it's explicitly due to the Overlord's hubris and not because the Overlord is generally just kind of dumb). Don't get me wrong, I think you could totally do a game where "the evil Overlord is something of a moron" works really well...Cucumber Quest was mentioned...but that sort of thing is going to naturally give your game a certain tone that's maybe at odds with more serious aspects (like claws that can tear through steel or sucking someone's life out of their body). If you wanted you could have an optional variant set of Evil Overlord moves designed for a more comedic, less serious sort of game, I could see that working out.
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Aug 11, 2014 23:58
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Yeah, Hubris is so much better, because even the best and most intelligent villains can fall victim to it. "We've analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standing by?"  "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances." 
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Aug 12, 2014 00:00
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Got back from a VA checkup, figure I'd celebrate my good health by making a pause for the cause.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:01
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congratulations on the health
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Aug 12, 2014 00:08
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 Eat the Elminster. BrainParasite fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Aug 12, 2014 00:20
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Yeah, Hubris is so much better, because even the best and most intelligent villains can fall victim to it. It definitely fits the Doctor Doom style villain. Definitely not an idiot, but will probably make a stupid mistake if he thinks it will personally let him screw over THAT BLASTED RICHARDS.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:21
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BrainParasite posted:
Someone should donate to the Trevor Project as Elminster Aumar, bring it all full circle.
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Aug 12, 2014 00:26
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Cycloneman posted:Why bother? He clearly doesn't need to. Anybody who would stop being a fan of him for his thinly veiled calls for harassment has probably already done so. Everybody else either doesn't give enough of a poo poo or won't change their views in response to evidence. Why would he change? From everything I've seen, there's a surprisingly massive fence sitting faction. People who don't know enough, people who naturally take the "truth is in the middle" viewpoint, all sorts. I've seen people who I thought were totally reasonable going "well maybe you're both right?" during this whole debacle. Being able to whip out pics of Zak just being an unremittent rear end in a top hat doesn't help his case any. Plague of Hats posted:Hooray! I like "hubris". I like this too! CHARITY COUNT: $1771.93
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Also just a reminder for anyone looking to keep supporting good charities like this, unless I missed something, Amazon Smile is a good way to toss a small donation to a charity (the Trevor Project and multiple other LGBT/feminist/minority/etc ones are valid to them) every time you buy off Amazon (I think?). It's a nice way to keep the support going even when not telling a horrible person to gently caress himself.
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