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PostNouveau posted:A couple of scientists are saying Discovery lied to them to get them to appear on their fake-rear end documentaries and then edited their interviews in a misleading manner. Does this not cross into libel at some point? I know there's a ton of editing and a certain amount of misrepresentation in any sort of thing like this, but they are straight up making it look like this scientist believes in crazy voodoo sharks. This seems damaging enough to his reputation that the scientist would have a case.
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Dear Discovery Channel: If you make next year's Shark Week 8 solid hours of this: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/shark-week/shark-cam/shark-fin-cam.htm With the occasional picture-in-picture experts talking about shark behavior that is being observed I think people would still watch Shark Week, maybe even more people would watch it. You don't need to throw good money behind fake documentaries about shark-based cryptids. Just a suggestion
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Aug 12, 2014 02:21
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That deepwater shark show was indeed cool as gently caress. Incredible footage. Shame they only aired that for an hour between two more stupid "will they find the mega shark" wastes of time.
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Aug 13, 2014 03:08
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"How can this be fake?? Look at how many people tweeted about out last documentary (that was fake)!" edit: Yes we have lots of reasons to cover up the existence of Megalodon such as
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Hazo posted:Yes we have lots of reasons to cover up the existence of Megalodon such as THE GOVERNMENT doesn't want you to know that the Edmund Fitzgerald was sunk because a megalodon bit it and then American steel prices would skyrocket and then a billion little Chinese boots would be on our necks.
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Aug 16, 2014 03:36
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People on Twitter are getting ultra-mad about how fake this is. Which, on the surface, is a good thing. However, the saddest part is that people are posting things like, "The fakeness of this show is taking away from all the credibility of last year's Megalodon show!" 
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Aug 16, 2014 03:47
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What's the world coming to when I can't trust the channel that airs such super-accurate documentaries as "Amish Mafia" and "Gold Prospecting Show #5".
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Aug 16, 2014 03:55
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PostNouveau posted:What's the world coming to when I can't trust the channel that airs such super-accurate documentaries as "Amish Mafia" and "Gold Prospecting Show #5".  But nah I'm sure gold prospecting shows and Amish dramas are just as damaging to the state of science.
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Aug 16, 2014 19:39
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Hazo posted:But nah I'm sure gold prospecting shows and Amish dramas are just as damaging to the state of science. Students, not marine biologists. They could be gender studies students for all we know.
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Aug 16, 2014 19:44
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Hazo posted:
Haha, that's so sad. All those shows are damaging in their own ways. Discovery Channel gave up on enlightening people years and years ago.
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Aug 16, 2014 19:48
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Irish Joe posted:Students, not marine biologists. They could be gender studies students for all we know.
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Aug 16, 2014 20:37
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Hazo posted:
Pretty sure that the only reason those two kidnapped Amish girls got returned was the kidnapper being afraid of the Amish Mafia though.
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Aug 16, 2014 20:45
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Hazo posted:Which is why when they blatantly present false science it's more damaging than a scripted gold hunter show because people don't watch that expecting to be educated. Except there's literally nothing damaging about people believing in imaginary sharks. Nothing.
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Aug 16, 2014 21:14
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You're seriously making the argument that learning, believing, and repeating objectively false information is not a bad thing.
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Aug 16, 2014 21:48
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Hazo posted:You're seriously making the argument that learning, believing, and repeating objectively false information is not a bad thing. So you think the tooth fairy and Santa are bad things?  (I don't know why I'm playing devil's advocate, I think Discovery's poo poo for airing that garbage.)
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Aug 16, 2014 21:52
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I mean if you're in your 40s and knocking out peoples teeth when you need to make a quick buck because you've been constantly told that's true then yeah I'd say that's a bad thing.
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Aug 16, 2014 22:02
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Hazo posted:You're seriously making the argument that learning, believing, and repeating objectively false information is not a bad thing. I'm making the argument that the existence of one particular shark does not affect, in any way, how people interact with and view the world. Whether or not a particular animal is real is so specific and inconsequential a fact, and--being in the ocean--so distant from the average person's life and concern, that the lie impacts nothing. Megalon charities are not taking funds away from the WWF. Scientists are not receiving government funding for megalon study. People are not fleeing the beaches in fear of megalon attack. The existence (or lack thereof) of megalon sharks is the very definition of inconsequential.
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Aug 16, 2014 22:04
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Hazo posted:I mean if you're in your 40s and knocking out peoples teeth when you need to make a quick buck because you've been constantly told that's true then yeah I'd say that's a bad thing. ...what is the imaginary shark equivalent, here?
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Aug 16, 2014 22:05
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I wonder when we are going to a shark week show on these guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hs-D7e0h-k
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Irish Joe posted:I'm making the argument that the existence of one particular shark does not affect, in any way, how people interact with and view the world. Whether or not a particular animal is real is so specific and inconsequential a fact, and--being in the ocean--so distant from the average person's life and concern, that the lie impacts nothing. Megalon charities are not taking funds away from the WWF. Scientists are not receiving government funding for megalon study. People are not fleeing the beaches in fear of megalon attack. The existence (or lack thereof) of megalon sharks is the very definition of inconsequential. Your mindset is just so bizarre to me. If anyone can believe whatever they want and it doesn't make a difference then what's the point of schools? It's all the same right? Also I'm not sure if you actually watched the shows or are just being contrarian, because it's "megalodon."
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Aug 16, 2014 22:17
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Hazo posted:Your mindset is just so bizarre to me. If anyone can believe whatever they want and it doesn't make a difference then what's the point of schools? It's all the same right? I didn't watch the show because I hate the ocean and it sounded stupid. As for the mindset, its a mix between "you don't know everything" and "pick your battles." Its the same reason I don't correct my female friends when they tell me they believe in ghosts: I believe a lot of stupid things myself, their belief isn't harming anybody and I don't benefit whatsoever from correcting them. Now, when someone believes something that is actually harmful like "mixing dawn and bleach will clean the stains off my dishes better" or "my dog really likes chocolate!" I will be the first in line to correct them. But a fake shark? Who cares?
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Aug 16, 2014 22:27
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If you didn't even watch the show, compare living documented animals to the paranormal, and "hate the ocean" in the first place, I don't think anything I say is going to help you understand why scientific facts are important and why the anti-science attitude is frustrating.
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Aug 16, 2014 22:49
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The point is that we want people to be in the habit of demanding more from "science" media or at least demanding that fiction be labeled fiction. If they're not willing to call bullshit on a nonexistent shark, what else are they not willing to call bullshit on? It sounds like a slippery slope but there's a clear line from ideas like megalodons and sasquatches to stuff that has real and damaging consequences like herbal supplement fleecing and homeopathic medicine and antivax. Carl Sagan wrote an entire book (The Demon-Haunted World) about this sort of thing. Megalodon is different from, say, syfy original movies because those are obviously made up and presented as so. No one seriously stays out of Miami for fear of pteranodon/barracuda hybrids or out of LA because they think a tornado will drop a shark on their head.
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Aug 16, 2014 23:14
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I don't have a problem with shows about cryptozoology when they are put in the proper context. But making a fake documentary with actors and fake events about crypto-beasts and then airing them amongst real documentaries about very similar subjects is scummy. Discovery and the like used to air stuff about all kinds of crazy things but they never really tried tricking people into thinking they were real. Presenting lies as fact is kind of unethical.
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It drives me crazy how much time is wasted in "documentaries" these days with talking heads or OR WILL THE FIND THE THING!?!????? It's like when they crashed that 727 in the desert to see what happened. 75% of that show was "here's how they did it" and THE DRAMA OF WILL THE RADIO CONTROL DEVICE WORK!? Guess what, I tuned in to watch a 727 crash into Mexico not some jackasses that rigged up the cheapest possible radio control system then watch them troubleshoot it so they can give me 10 minutes of actual information about what happened in that crash.
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Irish Joe posted:I didn't watch the show because I hate the ocean and it sounded stupid. As for the mindset, its a mix between "you don't know everything" and "pick your battles." Its the same reason I don't correct my female friends when they tell me they believe in ghosts: I believe a lot of stupid things myself, their belief isn't harming anybody and I don't benefit whatsoever from correcting them. Now, when someone believes something that is actually harmful like "mixing dawn and bleach will clean the stains off my dishes better" or "my dog really likes chocolate!" I will be the first in line to correct them. But a fake shark? Who cares? Yeah, it doesn't matter if some random dude never goes in the ocean again after watching Megaladon Week, but there are definitely some issues with the way that discovery channel frames their shows in general. The issue I have with shark week is that while it does get the occasional thimblefull of actual information in, there's a ton of poo poo like "I JUST GOT JAWS'D 4" or whatever, which, while I guess is ostensibly entertaining for some people, also gets used to justify people's already lovely images of sharks."Shark" is a huge term encompassing something like 400 different species - most of them are not the species Shark Week likes to focus on. I think all this sensationalist poo poo tends to drown out the facts and leads people to not care at all about worldwide depletion of shark populations. No one gives a gently caress about the fact that commercial and private fishing kills about 100 million sharks a year because they're scary bloodthirsty alien zombie voodoo serial killer monsters* and they think that the entire shark population is made up of large, vicious predators like the bulls, tigers, and great whites they constantly focus on. Meanwhile the average number of fatal shark attacks per year is hovering at like 9. Large sharks are loving vital to the ocean's complicated-rear end food web, keeping other populations in check. We know this. But a lot of sharks have extremely long life histories, much longer on average than their bony fish cousins, sometimes taking up to 20 years to reach sexual maturity. Especially smaller sharks commonly fished for sport/commercially, or brought up in trawls and seines for other fish we actually eat. The general attitude and mindset that Shark Week promotes has has potential to be incredibly damaging to not just shark species, but the ocean as a whole. They are accomplishing nothing in terms of conservation, research, or environmental stewardship with these shows; it's very obviously driven by what keeps people tuned in. Which is fine, whatever, they're a huge company that long ago gave up any vestige of caring about actual science in favor of Ice Road Truckers. They've gotten better since last year but it's still overwhelmingly sensationalist garbage. Not to mention they lie to a lot of the scientists they feature about what the finished product will be so they can get accredited researchers to appear in The Hunt for Megaladon. *literally all words Discovery channel has used to describe sharks during Shark Week Ugh that was a lot of words about sharks  e: IIIIII quoted the wrong post. QuickbreathFinisher fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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PostNouveau posted:Definitely starting a World Megaladon Foundation now. Market opportunity for sure. With your help we will find the megalodon and kill him. Or put his brain in the body of a robo-shark. Whichever seems like a worse idea at the time.
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Sash! posted:With your help we will find the megalodon and kill him. Or put his brain in the body of a robo-shark. Whichever seems like a worse idea at the time.
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Just watched the gold rush season preview, and it actually looks like it should be decent this year. Parker going for broke, Tony bought a dredge. Looks like there gonna show Freddy's team this season. And fuuuuuuck Todd's still on the show. I think between Freddy Dodge and Toby Beats it should drown out all the Todd bullshit that no one really wants to see.
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Hazo posted:
Frankly it still shocks me Discovery hasn't done Dinosaur Week yet seeing how that is sure to be a goldmine for ratings and then I can have kids ask me if we are finding dinosaur DNA or if there are still Dinosaurs in the Congo or if there is anyone working on de-evolving a bird into some sort of Saurian abomination.
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I feel like I vaguely remember some kind of Dinosaur event many, many years ago. Very similar to shark week in that it was many different dino shows. But I possibly dreamed that up.
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I think that the Learning Channel used to do dinosaur stuff all day every Saturday, but that was a long time ago now. So long ago.
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achillesforever6 posted:Working at the museum and every time I decide to get out of the public paleo lab (I'm a volunteer) to talk with the kid tour groups I always get a Megaladon question. I should think Jurassic Park covered that for the rest of eternity.
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achillesforever6 posted:Working at the museum and every time I decide to get out of the public paleo lab (I'm a volunteer) to talk with the kid tour groups I always get a Megaladon question. It would be nice if they put Shark Week out to pasture, and Dino Week would be a great replacement. What the gently caress could they possibly have to say about sharks that they haven't said a million times already in the 27 years they've been doing it? But, it set a bunch of records this year, so they won't be quitting any time soon.
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Can't wait for the special where they make it look like Robert baker is racing some crank to find Mokele Membe.
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JRay88 posted:Just watched the gold rush season preview, and it actually looks like it should be decent this year. Parker going for broke, Tony bought a dredge. Looks like there gonna show Freddy's team this season. And fuuuuuuck Todd's still on the show. I think between Freddy Dodge and Toby Beats it should drown out all the Todd bullshit that no one really wants to see. Parker has this Keanu Reeves thing going on.
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PostNouveau posted:It would be nice if they put Shark Week out to pasture, and Dino Week would be a great replacement. What the gently caress could they possibly have to say about sharks that they haven't said a million times already in the 27 years they've been doing it? PostNouveau posted:But, it set a bunch of records this year, so they won't be quitting any time soon.
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Hazo posted:I'm going to answer students' questions about Megalodon for years aren't I Just save yourself the trouble and tell them they still exist. And that bigfoots ride them.
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