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OldTennisCourt posted:"Grim-Dark" has become the go to phrase for a comic that is anything other than wacky adventures for a lot of people for some reason. There are people who loving hate the new Avengers comics and think they are literally destroying every character involved in them. Made worse for us ubernerds by the fact that "grimdark" is actually supposed to be wacky and people who use it to mean super serious are turning the word into the opposite of what it originally meant.
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SlothBear posted:Made worse for us ubernerds by the fact that "grimdark" is actually supposed to be wacky and people who use it to mean super serious are turning the word into the opposite of what it originally meant.
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Aug 11, 2014 09:33
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Rhyno posted:You seriously think Hickman is going to walk away from this without redeeming them? You seriously think that genocide is redeemable?
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Aug 11, 2014 10:04
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Jedit posted:You seriously think that genocide is redeemable? All Hitler needed was a second chance. 
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Aug 11, 2014 11:11
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Jedit posted:You seriously think that genocide is redeemable? Yeah this is my thing, too. I don't think they could or should be "redeemed". Although for whatever it's worth, I think that the Illuminati characters have been 100% more interesting since all of this incursion stuff and it would be too bad if it were written off.
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Aug 11, 2014 12:06
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I think what Hickman was going for was that they all regretted what they were doing and wanted to call it off, but Namor decided to do it anyway. I mean they still killed the Justice League, but at least they eventually decided against committing genocide even if they had been prepared for it. And it's not like it's the first time he's done that anyway.
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Aug 11, 2014 12:13
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Hakkesshu posted:I think what Hickman was going for was that they all regretted what they were doing and wanted to call it off, but Namor decided to do it anyway. I mean they still killed the Justice League, but at least they eventually decided against committing genocide even if they had been prepared for it. The thing is that although it was Namor who pulled the trigger, they all had direct involvement in this plot so I still hold them all culpable for it Really this whole mess just goes to show that the whole "Hard Men Making Hard Choices" trope just doesn't work in a superhero context
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Aug 11, 2014 12:23
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It helps to remember they're not real people.
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Aug 11, 2014 12:24
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drrockso20 posted:Really this whole mess just goes to show that the whole "Hard Men Making Hard Choices" trope just doesn't work in a superhero context Sure it does. It worked just fine in this story! Like I fundamentally do not understand this insistence that superhero comics must be figuratively stuck in the silver age forever. Senior Woodchuck posted:It helps to remember they're not real people. It also helps to remember that each writer has their own interpretation of the characters, and they aren't going to be ruined forever because someone made them do something you don't agree with. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 12:27
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Senior Woodchuck posted:It helps to remember they're not real people. That actually makes it worse in my opinion
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Aug 11, 2014 12:27
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What could they legit do in-universe that wasn't that and not some kind of deus ex machina? Maybe they'll find more options later on in the storyline but they had to decide on something quick or both Earths were gonna die, so It really is quite a depressing book though, I need something more uplifting and generic superhero-y after reading each issue.
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Aug 11, 2014 12:38
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drrockso20 posted:The thing is that although it was Namor who pulled the trigger, they all had direct involvement in this plot so I still hold them all culpable for it Yeah, not like the real world if you make a Hard Choice it's always the right one. Now if you excuse me, I need to tap some people's phones because they are probably committing crimes.
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Edit: maybe the Touching and Inspiring Panels Thread isn't the place for that post
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Aug 11, 2014 12:51
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drrockso20 posted:That actually makes it worse in my opinion What do you mean?
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Aug 11, 2014 13:08
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drrockso20 posted:Yeah I know about that stuff, it's just that I love 616, and it irritates me that in the majority of stuff set there in the last decade plus the heroes just tend to come off as either not heroic at all or just plain incompetent if not both at the same time with only the occasional exception :keeps reading Incursion storyline: I think I may have found a solution!
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Aug 11, 2014 13:27
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Yeah, I've learned to drop comics that make me more annoyed that entertained like they were burning bags of poo poo. It's made my comic-reading a lot less frustrating. It sounds kind of simple to say "only read the things you enjoy" but it's really, really easy to fall into the trap of following a book because it used to be good or you like characters in it or whatever.
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Aug 11, 2014 13:45
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drrockso20 posted:Oh I know they'll end up saving the day one way or another, but still in my opinion this ruins any credibility in considering them heroes, unless this arc ends in Timey-Wimey stuff to undo this whole arc I haven't onsidered many of them strictly heroes before this. Namor and Black Bolt have never been, Reed and Tony have done some seriously questionable poo poo before and Dr. Strange has kind of been dealing with things where heroism does not matter as much as just keeping things from going to poo poo his whole career.
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drrockso20 posted:That actually makes it worse in my opinion It would be better if real people destroyed a real earth? What??
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Aug 11, 2014 17:51
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How about some panels eh. Panels! If you haven't read Batman: Zero Year i suggest you look away and go read it. Okay you've read it, good. A great Batman/Alfred moments from issue #33. The army are on their way to level Gotham due to the Riddler taking over the city. The only way to stop them is to send a signal that everything is okay, only problem is Riddler has attached a signal jammer to a heart monitor on his chest. The only way to turn it off is to send 1,000 volts through someone with a one in a thousand survival chance. Batman rips off the monitor and attaches it to himself.    All hope is lost. Or is it...  
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Aug 11, 2014 23:01
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Jedit posted:You seriously think that genocide is redeemable?  I don't know about redeemable, but he was at least a little sympathetic by the end.
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Timeless Appeal posted:And then listen to the soundtrack because it's pretty amazing. Wait, what?
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Alhazred posted:Wait, what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Inspired_by_the_Life_and_Times_of_Scrooge
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Injustice: Year Two #20. Commissioner Gordon has lung cancer (as discovered when Superman looked at him to see if he was lying). Seeing how Superman has basically turned Gotham into Ferguson with his army of goons, Gordon is leading an assault on the Hall of Justice and Watchtower while the Green Lantern Corps oppose Superman and the Sinestro Corps. Gordon and the rest of the crew are amped up on the super pills that give them kryptonian strength and in order to keep Cyborg from tracking down Oracle, he beat him down and tore off the metal part of his face. During the fight, Gordon collapsed at one point due to the cancer being more advanced than expected.      Meanwhile, "You're secret is safe, Luthor"?! 
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Gavok posted:
Oh god thank you I was gonna sperg out about it so hard. Also it's a good scene but that last panel of Bats and Oracle makes it look like someone let rip with a toxic gas spider and they're both smelling it.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:57
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It must be so liberating to just be able to tear everything down. Did Gordon even know Batman's secret identity before that point?
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Aug 20, 2014 20:55
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Everyone did. Superman tweeted it out across the internet with the help of Cyborg.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Everyone did. Superman tweeted it out across the internet with the help of Cyborg. "Cyborg, I need your help!" "Hey, sure, Clark, you're a pal, what do you ne-" "I need you to... POST THIS TWEET." "Clark, you need to get a loving phone"
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Everyone did. Superman tweeted it out across the internet with the help of Cyborg.
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redbackground posted:Isn't a tweet by default available for the whole world to see?
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Superman is also Clark Kent, an award-winning reporter. If Superman had a twitter, you can believe that everything on it would be worth reading. Who wouldn't follow his feed?
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Found a gallery over on imgur a few minutes ago that I think you guys might like. I'm just gonna link to it directly since it's 43 full-sized pages and I don't want to bog the thread down. The Punisher and his neighbors
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Yup. Bats crashed the JL computer in the satellite, and Supes and Cyborg went "THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO" to which Robin told em "Seriously? YOU ARE A LIVING COMPUTER" so @Superman (complete with pic) sent out a "BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN" tweet. No idea if he had to use Cyborg's keyboard to enter it though. What happens on the JL satellite stays on the JL satellite.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:Superman is also Clark Kent, an award-winning reporter. If Superman had a twitter, you can believe that everything on it would be worth reading. Who wouldn't follow his feed? https://twitter.com/CK1Blogs
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qntm posted:Did Gordon even know Batman's secret identity before that point? While Superman did reveal Batman's secret identity to the public as a way to cut him off at the knees, Gordon revealed in one issue that he was always well aware that Bruce was Batman and that Barbara was Batgirl/Oracle. When Barbara asked how he knew, he yelled, "BECAUSE I'M A DETECTIVE!"
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Gavok posted:While Superman did reveal Batman's secret identity to the public as a way to cut him off at the knees, Gordon revealed in one issue that he was always well aware that Bruce was Batman and that Barbara was Batgirl/Oracle. When Barbara asked how he knew, he yelled, "BECAUSE I'M A DETECTIVE!" "Peter, I'm an award-winning investigative journalist. We've worked side by side for years. Frankly, it's a little insulting to think I wouldn't know." - Ben Urich
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:so @Superman (complete with pic) sent out a "BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN" tweet. This is a joke, right?
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Gavok posted:
I was about to ask what you were sperging about but then I read it again! :grammer: ! 
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:This is a joke, right? Nope. Batman crashed all the major networks and JLA computers so Damien and Cyborg set up Superman's twitter account while stranded in space.
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For all the cool things the Injustice comic does, they do tend to go full retard in some areas.
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