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Are you serious? They got rid of Troy Baker's Valvatorez? That's inexcusable.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:57
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Are you serious? They got rid of Troy Baker's Valvatorez? That's inexcusable. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Aug 12, 2014 23:01
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Are you guys sure? They seem to be reusing the exact same audio clips for this scene at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXT3ZiSa3R4&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUhspS9VddQ&t=697s
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Aug 12, 2014 23:05
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Are you guys sure? They seem to be reusing the exact same audio clips for this scene at least: I just compared myself and yeah it's the exact same voice work. It's just something with the vita's speakers that make it sound a tiny bit odd. Edit: Okay here's the strangeness. He has 2 lines clearly spoken by another VA during battles MIXED IN with his old lines. Like they sound noticeably different. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Aug 12, 2014 23:06
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Is anyone having a problem with D4V where the Euro character is showing up where blank spaces should be? I've got the physical version so I'm thinking my cart's just defective. 
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Aug 12, 2014 23:34
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Endorph posted:You can honestly skip Disgaea 3 if you want. It's not a bad game but the story's pretty eh and Disgaea 4's better.
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Aug 12, 2014 23:40
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Erg posted:Is anyone having a problem with D4V where the Euro character is showing up where blank spaces should be? I've got the physical version so I'm thinking my cart's just defective. I have the digital us version and I'm definitely not seeing that. Also, quite glad I actually prefer playing with the Japanese voices. Constantly switching VA would drive me insane. As for which to play first: Disgaea is played for the technology, not the story, so always choose the most modern one to play. Vita D4 in this case.
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Aug 12, 2014 23:50
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Erg posted:Is anyone having a problem with D4V where the Euro character is showing up where blank spaces should be? I've got the physical version so I'm thinking my cart's just defective. There's a patch that fixes it. Make sure you download it! Edit: Skip DD2, they tried to make Defense more viable in the game and ended up ruining the balance of the game pretty badly.
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Aug 13, 2014 00:02
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Can you no longer combine Special attacks in D4 like you could in D3? Is there something you can do to unlock it?
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Aug 13, 2014 00:06
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:There's a patch that fixes it. Make sure you download it! Haha, of course  Thanks for the help.
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Aug 13, 2014 00:39
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Skip DD2, they tried to make Defense more viable in the game and ended up ruining the balance of the game pretty badly. They need to go in the opposite direction like SMT4 did, really. SMT4's direction posted:1) There are no damage mitigation stats. You'd think that last one would be an even bigger deal in a tactics  game.There's even a level 75 optional dude in a 20s area that you can drop first-time to illustrate this. EDIT: Now that I think about it, the Phantom games basically go that way. We're never getting a third one of those are we 
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Aug 13, 2014 00:48
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Second time I am trying to save, and it seems the 'Save Data' screen doesn't react to touch or any input. Vita's not locked up, I can task in and out just fine. Is there any way short of relaunching the game I can get it to behave? I am not going to loving want to play this game if going to save is where the risk of crashes are. Sometimes you have those miracle runs in Item World and it would be really infuriating if after the end of a good run you lose it to software fuckup. edit: I just tricked it out of the funk. I did the long-press on the PS button which brought up the quick settings Vita menu. Funny thing was, I couldn't touch the X to close out, but I could press the PS button again to drop out of the menu, and from there it'd let me poke at my save options properly. Not entirely cool, but livable. 5er fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Aug 13, 2014 01:09
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HGH posted:VAs are expensive. Especially union. I know that VAs are expensive, that's why I would understand this kind of thing in a new scenario. But about half of his battle clips are redubs! Why!? His in-battle voice had enough clips, they didn't need to add more. There was no reason to redub his mid-battle banter, none! They should have just used the old clips, that's what I was expecting. to add insult to injury, it's not even close to the original. Waaaaaaaaaaay off.
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Aug 13, 2014 01:10
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Here's a ultra embarrassing thing I need to ask but in Disgaea 4 how do you reorganize your characters? I recruited Rutile and Stella and kinda want them over the two junk prinnies. It's locked on the menu until you clear enough story stages for some reason, it unlocks after like, the third or fourth stage. Or it unlocks some other way and I didn't see it. Kinda silly to hide it.
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Aug 13, 2014 01:13
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:He has 2 lines clearly spoken by another VA during battles MIXED IN with his old lines. Like they sound noticeably different. Those battle quotes are what I'm talking about. It's confusing and disorienting. Why did they mix in a new VA? they didn't need it!
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Aug 13, 2014 01:15
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Mr.Dr.Jr. posted:Those battle quotes are what I'm talking about. It's confusing and disorienting. Why did they mix in a new VA? they didn't need it!
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Aug 13, 2014 01:23
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Mithaldu posted:They want you to play in japanese. I prefer playing in Japanese anyway, so that works for me.
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Aug 13, 2014 02:12
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Mithaldu posted:They want you to play in japanese. Tried that. The voices just seem less... emphatic? Maybe it's the language barrier but Axel is somehow less overwhelmingly annoying. This is not acceptable to the Disgaea experience.
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Aug 13, 2014 02:18
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Rascyc posted:Really I'm just trying to decide if I should skip DD2. The post game in DD2 looks pretty bad though even with the cheat shop mechanics. I just saw the 250 reincarnation requirements in the post game sticky over at GFaqs and kind of whimpered. Disgaea D2 is pretty drat fun because they fixed the terrible defense mechanics from Disgaea 3/4 and actually took the time to polish up a lot of the gameplay mechanics instead of just adding new ways to make your numbers go up higher. I don't know too much about the postgame because of the stupid Fire freeze glitch (that's since been patched) but if you're gonna sperg hard enough to build up reincarnation points then Disgaea 4 is probably gonna be way worse even with the fixes. I might just be weird though, because the appeal of Disgaea/NIS games' postgame has never been making my numbers go up for the sake of higher numbers, it's for the progression of power, and Disgaea 3/4 killed that pretty hard since you're doing good damage no matter what with skill boosting and can always be one-shot by cannon fodder trash no matter how your numbers go up because of skill boosting. Which kind of kills the actual feeling of getting stronger. Mr.Dr.Jr. posted:I know that VAs are expensive, that's why I would understand this kind of thing in a new scenario. I assume the Vita version has new clips for everyone, and that omitting Val's English lines would cause problems what with dual audio. Mithaldu posted:They want you to play in japanese. But there's no option to play with English Val/Fenrich and Japanese everyone else, so how could they possibly want that?
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Aug 13, 2014 02:29
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5er posted:Tried that. The voices just seem less... emphatic?
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Aug 13, 2014 02:38
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Mithaldu posted:They play it more straight, less overacting. That's a weird bit in the Disgaea series: Much of the humor you see in the english dialogues? It doesn't exist in the japanese original. This is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Does the Japanese version just use a different kind of humor?
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Aug 13, 2014 02:40
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Momomo posted:This is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Does the Japanese version just use a different kind of humor? But outside of that, Disgaea simply isn't as funny in japanese as it is in english. (There are other examples of this phenomenon, there's for example a french movie series with a guy called Louis de Funès. It's mediocre in french, but the german dub is extremely funny since they rewrote most of it.)
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Aug 13, 2014 02:46
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Any tips about how best to use/equip Stella and Rutile in D4V? Are they decent main party members? I just noticed that my D3 save gave me access, but how well/poorly I do at figuring this sort of thing out on my own is exactly why I sometimes ask myself if I deserve to play these games.
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Aug 13, 2014 03:21
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Rascyc posted:Really I'm just trying to decide if I should skip DD2. The post game in DD2 looks pretty bad though even with the cheat shop mechanics. I just saw the 250 reincarnation requirements in the post game sticky over at GFaqs and kind of whimpered. Actually you only need the 250 reincarnations if you are going up against Baal. Other than that DD2's post-games' biggest flaw is that there really isn't a whole lot to do. Honestly D4's post-game is a lot more tedious you still need the 250 reincarnations, and they didn't really improve on the Chara-worlds flaws, the whole destructible environments in Chara-world is really tedious and the amount of aptitude points that you can get are still capped at 8 plus whatever the floor ten boss is worth. Also unlike with DD2 in D4 you have to first level to at least level 80 then, do 6 character world runs, then level all the way up to level 9999, then reincarnate, where as with DD2 you just have complete maps with the characters that you want to perfect in the weapon assembly room, in addition all classes get the +# aptitude when the reincarnate, 5 for story characters and 1 for generic capping out at 25. Also DD2 got rid of the whole numbers rarity thing and allowed you to turn any equipment into a legendary equipment so you didn't have to constantly search for weapons with a rarity of 0 in order to get the rarity bonus they just all had to be matching rarity so all rare or all legendary, and with being able to make any equipment legendary equipment it was really easy to do. They also made it a lot easier to perfect equipment as well since you didn't need to constantly be on the look out for level spheres, and could continuously re-enter an item to level it up to the max level. There were other improvements but honestly DD2's post-game was a lot more enjoyable and easier to complete than any other Disgaea post-game, especially D4's without the Rosenqueen glitch.
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Aug 13, 2014 04:09
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Dis posted:Any tips about how best to use/equip Stella and Rutile in D4V? Are they decent main party members? I just noticed that my D3 save gave me access, but how well/poorly I do at figuring this sort of thing out on my own is exactly why I sometimes ask myself if I deserve to play these games. Rutile is awesome. Stella who cares but yeah I benched Fenrich for her almost instantly.
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Aug 13, 2014 04:17
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Rutile is awesome. Stella who cares but yeah I benched Fenrich for her almost instantly. What weapon types would you recommend?
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Aug 13, 2014 04:26
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Dis posted:What weapon types would you recommend? Fist. All the stuff she does she does best with fist. To make a fist fighter strong though keep in mind speed is taken into account. If the fighter is slow they won't be doing as much as they can.
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Aug 13, 2014 04:27
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Fist. All the stuff she does she does best with fist. Much appreciated. I'll see what I can make of that. Only time will tell whether or not I survive to report back.
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Aug 13, 2014 04:49
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Mithaldu posted:They play it more straight, less overacting. That's a weird bit in the Disgaea series: Much of the humor you see in the english dialogues? It doesn't exist in the japanese original. They japanese voices for Disgaea have always been kinda poo poo. The voices never seem to fit the characters. I've always felt that the English cast far outperforms the Japanese in every game
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Aug 13, 2014 05:12
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Mr.Dr.Jr. posted:They japanese voices for Disgaea have always been kinda poo poo. Agreeing with that here. They're all ultra generic and just lame. Also the japanese script is largely similar to what we got- just with some liberties taken. Dark Souls youtube bigshot EpicNameBro did a bit of Disgaea D2 and he translated what he got through- and it was all the same pretty much.
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megamariox posted:Actually you only need the 250 reincarnations if you are going up against Baal. Other than that DD2's post-games' biggest flaw is that there really isn't a whole lot to do. Honestly D4's post-game is a lot more tedious you still need the 250 reincarnations, and they didn't really improve on the Chara-worlds flaws, the whole destructible environments in Chara-world is really tedious and the amount of aptitude points that you can get are still capped at 8 plus whatever the floor ten boss is worth. Also unlike with DD2 in D4 you have to first level to at least level 80 then, do 6 character world runs, then level all the way up to level 9999, then reincarnate, where as with DD2 you just have complete maps with the characters that you want to perfect in the weapon assembly room, in addition all classes get the +# aptitude when the reincarnate, 5 for story characters and 1 for generic capping out at 25. Also DD2 got rid of the whole numbers rarity thing and allowed you to turn any equipment into a legendary equipment so you didn't have to constantly search for weapons with a rarity of 0 in order to get the rarity bonus they just all had to be matching rarity so all rare or all legendary, and with being able to make any equipment legendary equipment it was really easy to do. They also made it a lot easier to perfect equipment as well since you didn't need to constantly be on the look out for level spheres, and could continuously re-enter an item to level it up to the max level. There were other improvements but honestly DD2's post-game was a lot more enjoyable and easier to complete than any other Disgaea post-game, especially D4's without the Rosenqueen glitch. TLDR; Disgaea D2 is too easy, big lazy-butts looks no further 
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Last Celebration posted:I assume the Vita version has new clips for everyone, and that omitting Val's English lines would cause problems what with dual audio. e: I'm sitting on my hands waiting for my English copy to arrive and desperate for anything Disgaea to do. 
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Aug 13, 2014 06:46
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I wouldn't recommend skipping D2, there are a ton of nice little changes they made to make it more user friendly. Stuff like you can throw diagonally without timing it & you can promote generic classes to the next tier instead of reincarnating them. I don't tend to play the post game much in Disgaea though so I can't vouch for that being as good as the rest of the series.
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Aug 13, 2014 08:54
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Apparently the promotion thing made it into D4 Vita, haven't gotten that far yet. I can safely skip the tutorials if I played D3 Vita right? I'm assuming not that much has changed. Also for the class skills for generics... they were in D3 Vita, then out of D4, and now back in D4 Vita? Is there a list of those or something
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Aug 13, 2014 09:00
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I think most of the quality of life type changes were implemented in Disgaea 4 Return, but D2 is still worth playing because it's fundamentally much more solid as a game.
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Aug 13, 2014 09:02
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I'll echo D2's postgame feeling really empty, if it weren't for that it'd be pretty solid overall. I have no idea what happened to DEF, didn't notice that while playing, but otherwise I just think they need to add some interesting complexity on top of D2's solid base and they might have a really good game. I'm never buying a Vita though, so at best I might see if D4V succeeds at that when the PSTV rolls around.
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Aug 13, 2014 09:18
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Also for the class skills for generics... they were in D3 Vita, then out of D4, and now back in D4 Vita? Is there a list of those or something Male Fighters get a melee attack that breaks a random piece of equipment, which is not very good. They also get a buff that gives +100% to the target's ATK for 3 turns, which is. Lady Fighters get a ranged attack that never misses and a shortish-range attack that I think increases their Movement range by 1 for the rest of the battle if it kills something, or something weird like that. Clerics get a melee attack that scales with RES and a buff that doubles the target's RES for 3 turns. Mages only get one worth mentioning, which is a buff that regenerates some of the target's SP over 3 turns. Skulls get a ranged skill that steals some of the target's SP, and a +100% INT buff. Thieves get Create Box and Create Barrel, the same as they always did, plus a new one that always opens any chest, no matter how many HP it has. Archers get five different kinds of super-long-range status-effect-inflicting arrows. Samurai get a melee attack that always leaves the target with at least 1 HP, and a melee attack that permanently gets stronger if it kills something. That's all the classes worth caring about in the main campaign. If there's no good source of information on the rest, I can do those too, but I'd have to look most of them up.
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Aug 13, 2014 09:46
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Ah those seem to be the same as the D3 skills in that case, no need to write them all out. Should be more or less these: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/639534-/62861260
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Aug 13, 2014 09:48
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Yeah, that looks right. Most of them don't have fixed scaling stats, though; except for Overload and the ones for Archers and Gunners, they all adapt to whatever weapon you have equipped.
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Disgaea 2 is not my favourite overall but it has the best item world music. Wish I could buy it in D2 or number 4 
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