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HiveCommander posted:Didn't they actually get new models though? I don't pay much attention to WFB releases so I'm probably wrong. they got like 5 new kits
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HiveCommander posted:Didn't they actually get new models though? I don't pay much attention to WFB releases so I'm probably wrong. He's implying that they only show the retreaded models and zowie the week before release they will awe and amaze us with brand new models. Still voting sisters style release.
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TheChirurgeon posted:It's got nothing to do with expecting it to be something it isn't. It was 50 loving dollars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crrcKlfecoY&t=193s quote:I paid ten loving dollars!
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Aug 13, 2014 04:14
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Hrm glad to see you posting again after the Robin Williams thing.
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Cataphract posted:I read an interview with him. He's pretty chuffed. What's the relation?
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AbusePuppy posted:Yeah, GK were pretty sparse for units even before, and stripping seven entries out of it leaves them with 1-2 choices in most every slots. With such an anemic army list, It feels like they will be more of an Allied Army than anything else. I've loved my Grey Knights for ages now, but it would be really boring to play these days, at least visually speaking. Its like a watered down Space Marine army with none of the interesting bits. Just Terminators, Power Armor and some vehicles and dreadnoughts. There's the Dread-knight, but that thing really needs conversion work before it sees the table. Jesus... The Inquisitors at least gave them something interesting and unique on the table top.
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CyberLord XP posted:What's the relation? He wrote the redone comic.
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CyberLord XP posted:What's the relation? Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning wrote a lot of GotG comics in the late 2000s, they were very good, as expected from Abnett. It's pretty much the only reason the team isn't in limbo. If you like Marvel comics you should give them a read.
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Wait, so, like, are the Dan Abnett books actually good? Not like "better than the other ones" good? I've never read anything by him (and had no idea he even wrote so much god drat poo poo - just checked out his wiki page), but everyone raves about them. It can be really hard to tell what "good" means in the context of spin-off fiction because some people will just lovingly read anything that has their favorite mary sue in it. Also, how is the Salamanders omnibus?
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Frankly after seeing what happens when they try to add new models for the sake of new models--namely it either becomes a giant bogeyman or is a ridiculous piece of crap that nobody wants, or various worst-of-both-worlds combinations--it'd be pretty refreshing, from a certain standpoint, to see some codices that are only rules tweaks. I mean at least we don't have the Purifierfang dreadnought marching to battle alongside Kaldor Draigo's chariot made from the bones of a thousand brutally tortured nuns.dichloroisocyanuric posted:Wait, so, like, are the Dan Abnett books actually good? Not like "better than the other ones" good? I've never read anything by him (and had no idea he even wrote so much god drat poo poo - just checked out his wiki page), but everyone raves about them. It can be really hard to tell what "good" means in the context of spin-off fiction because some people will just lovingly read anything that has their favorite mary sue in it. Well, I mean he's not John Updike or anything, but his fiction in the past 5+ years is legitimately well written, IMO. (His stuff from the earlier parts of the 2000s is more into the "better than the other ones" category, but still noticeably above the other ones; we're not talking 'edges out Nick Kyme' here.)
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dichloroisocyanuric posted:Wait, so, like, are the Dan Abnett books actually good? Not like "better than the other ones" good? I've never read anything by him (and had no idea he even wrote so much god drat poo poo - just checked out his wiki page), but everyone raves about them. It can be really hard to tell what "good" means in the context of spin-off fiction because some people will just lovingly read anything that has their favorite mary sue in it. If you haven't yet, read Abnett's "Eisenhorn" trilogy (Xenos, Malleus and Hereticus I believe; there's also an omnibus with some short stories in it as well). He basically took one of the characters from the short-lived "Inquisitor" game and used him to flesh the hell out of the Imperial Inquisition. They're really good, entertaining reads.
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JerryLee posted:Frankly after seeing what happens when they try to add new models for the sake of new models--namely it either becomes a giant bogeyman or is a ridiculous piece of crap that nobody wants, or various worst-of-both-worlds combinations--it'd be pretty refreshing, from a certain standpoint, to see some codices that are only rules tweaks. I mean at least we don't have the Purifierfang dreadnought marching to battle alongside Kaldor Draigo's chariot made from the bones of a thousand brutally tortured nuns. This is a fair point. But if there was any codex army in need of some new, interesting stuff it was the Grey Knights. With the Inquisition being made into its own mini codex, the Grey Knights are really bare bones. Its basically Storm Bolter Space Marines with a Souped-up Psyker phase at this point. I fear the Draigo chariot as much as anyone, but at least give us something. I really want Grey Knights to be incredible and very expensive point wise as it fits better, personally that is. A single squad of Grey Knight terminators appearing on the battlefield should have some weight and gravitas to it. Making them just a different flavor of Space Marines is just disappointing and lazy, especially considering the fluff.
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Dembski-Bowden is the better author. He could easily be doing his own original stuff in the mainstream if he wanted. The Night Lords trilogy is by far and away the best thing BL has ever published. As for the Salamanders stories, they are written by Nick Kyme for the sole reason that he is/was the editor at BL and therefore didn't have anyone to say no to him. Nick Kyme is not an author. Nick Kyme is a person who knows what words are and can recognise them in order but that is about it. Look at the poo poo that gets past him as an editor, he clearly thought "this poo poo's easy, look at the stuff we publish, I can do better than that."* Instead he should have been thinking "gently caress me, I'm publishing Ben Counter, maybe I shouldn't do that." In short, do not read the Salamanders omnibus. *He actually can't, the only thing that raises him above Henry Zou is that Kyme isn't a plagiarist. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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LingcodKilla posted:Hrm glad to see you posting again after the Robin Williams thing. God dammit, I was going to have someone post photos of my Eldar army next to a thick leather belt but Devlan Mud/Dixon pussied out. 
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Dembski-Bowden is the better author. He could easily be doing his own original stuff in the mainstream if he wanted. The Night Lords trilogy is by far and away the best thing BL has ever published. He can't be worse than Lee Lightner or The Goto can he? 
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Made this chart for the other thread and hopefully it is accurate. Yes, I do know the actual percentages but I rounded down on the 16.6666 and the 83.33333 Let me know what you think and whether it should be resized because I can do that. Trying to figure out next chart for shooting, probably average number of hits with BS and dice rolls something like that.
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HiveCommander posted:I said halve the options, not the models in each box. We'll probably find that they've changed the weapon sprues around so that you only get one Psycannon in the GKSS box (for the 10 models in there) and 2 in the Purifier box (for 5 models) since there's really no other compelling reason to buy the 5-man box if a full squad one exists. It works for SMs because you can use combat squads to pad out Devastators, but the GK Devastator equivalent is build out of the exact same plastic kit anyway. Rapey Joe Stalin posted:On the subject of wasting money, I just bought the new realm of battle. I've always wanted an urban table.
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JerryLee posted:Frankly after seeing what happens when they try to add new models for the sake of new models--namely it either becomes a giant bogeyman or is a ridiculous piece of crap that nobody wants, or various worst-of-both-worlds combinations--it'd be pretty refreshing, from a certain standpoint, to see some codices that are only rules tweaks. For a lot of armies I would be pretty fine with this- the Eldar codex, for example, actually had a good diversity of units and simple tweaks and alterations to solidify their different roles and make them all useable could absolutely have worked. (Not that I mind the new units or anything.) But as pointed out already, GK are really anemic in terms of both total number of units, diversity of units, and diversity of options. They have three vehicles that are in every other Marine book, three different varieties of the same power armored guys with the same weapon options and two varieties of Terminators that have the same weapon options as everyone else. Almost the entire book can be condensed down to 3+ or 2+ save, one Attack or two, and that's it, that right there describes every non-character unit they have. Inquisition stuff went a long ways towards breaking that up, because you got a different type of HQ and a really customizable squad that could do lots of different things (rather than just the "Psycannons and Force Weapons" that is every other model in the range), which helped things feel less same-y over all.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Dembski-Bowden is the better author. He could easily be doing his own original stuff in the mainstream if he wanted. The Night Lords trilogy is by far and away the best thing BL has ever published. Nick Kyme is pretty mediocre. I've never read anything too bad of his, but never anything above standard-grade bolter porn. I read one of Henry Zou's Vietnam-in-space books and it was okay, but again, plagiarized pretty heavily so there's that.
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I'd love to see a new weapon type in there, preferably something similar to the old Pathfidner Rail Rifle (S8 AP3) or even an anti-tank rifle (S8 AP1 Lance for instance) as maybe something limited to Prugation squads to break up the monotony of GKs having the same dudes with the same weapon options in different FOC slots. It'd also patch up the their weakness to vehicles and AV13/14 spam and actually gives them solid ranged anti-tank options that aren't a 200+ point flyer or transport.
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GK plastics came out only a couple years ago. They're not getting redone and I doubt there will be any real new weapon options for them.
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I can always dream, I mean they are taking out the main source of anti-tank out of our codex by removing the Inquisition.
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At least you can ally with lots of stuff that can serve that role, although I think it's pretty lovely they split Grey Knights into two books.
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Tell me about it, and having to buy a separate add-on to access the rest of my army kinda sucks. We'll soon know how
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Worse than that, it's three books. You need the GK, Inquisition, and Assassins codices just to access the stuff that was, almost without exception, available to you in the 5E codex.
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AbusePuppy posted:Assassins codex Whaaa? Where's this from?
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AbusePuppy posted:Worse than that, it's three books. You need the GK, Inquisition, and Assassins codices just to access the stuff that was, almost without exception, available to you in the 5E codex. But in all the tournaments you are limited to one additional detachment, so it's an "x, y and z, pick two" scenario and why pick Inquisition or Assassins as your second detachment when you could take IG instead? I'd prefer to have a decent toolbox of options to deal with various threats in the one book, not having to resort to allies to make the book functional or even near what it used to be, unless we see some huge buffs to Psycannons (which are probably changing to Salvo weapons anyway). ghetto wormhole posted:Whaaa? Where's this from? HiveCommander fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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ghetto wormhole posted:Whaaa? Where's this from? I like the idea of Dataslates adding new rules and units to existing armies, but it feels like paying to have access to older units and abilities from previous books that I already own. I wish it was more interesting than "Oh, you already painted up some Assassins. Just play $15 bucks (or whatever) to use them now". Ugh, I hate how negative I've become over this game. I just want cool new rules to go with all these silly models I painted over the years.  (image courtesy of BOLS) Crazy Ferret fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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HiveCommander posted:Tell me about it, and having to buy a separate add-on to access the rest of my army kinda sucks. We'll soon know how
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So, thanks for the interest, those of you who showed interest. Here's a quick picture of some PPDC (from Pacific Rim!) dice I made, just as an example. I'm used to selling these things in pairs, since HeroClix is a 2d6 game, but I understand you guys use... lots of dice, all at once? How many dice would you want to buy in a set? If they're $5 a die (so $10 a pair, $25 for 5, etc.), does that kick the price point too high? Also, what's a good roll for you guys, 1 or 6? I figure you want to see the logos when something good happens.
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Crazy Ferret posted:I like the idea of Dataslates adding new rules and units to existing armies, but it feels like paying to have access to older units and abilities from previous books that I already own. I wish it was more interesting than "Oh, you already painted up some Assassins. Just play $15 bucks (or whatever) to use them now". Ugh, I hate how negative I've become over this game. I just want cool new rules to go with all these silly models I painted over the years. Four major temples?? Aren't there more than that? Don't have my gk codex to hand but - eversor, callidus, culexus, vindicare and something else right?
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SRM posted:Wait why should Guard players know how that feels? They didn't take anything out of the IG codex. Oh, my bad. I was wondering what was up with the three different Guard books. The only one I ever hear about is the Tempest Scions one because of the badass looking super-guardsmen contrasting with the godawful Taurox Prime. It still puts us in the SoB zone for army lists that are shrinking, not growing 
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Lord Twisted posted:Four major temples?? Aren't there more than that? Don't have my gk codex to hand but - eversor, callidus, culexus, vindicare and something else right? Vanus and Venenum, who are the spies (info gatheering and warfare) and exotic poison specialists respectively.
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Lord Twisted posted:Four major temples?? Aren't there more than that? Don't have my gk codex to hand but - eversor, callidus, culexus, vindicare and something else right? No, those four are the only major templates- however, as with the Inquisition, there are innumerable minor temples that have never gotten explicit writeups or rules.
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SRM posted:Wait why should Guard players know how that feels? They didn't take anything out of the IG codex. The Colossus/Medusa/Griffon are all gone and only available in IA1, a bunch of special characters are gone too (not a huge loss there though). IA1 is a pretty sweet book though, poor FW editing aside. Hopefully they put out a 7th edition errata for it soon.
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CapnAndy posted:I'm used to selling these things in pairs, since HeroClix is a 2d6 game, but I understand you guys use... lots of dice, all at once? How many dice would you want to buy in a set? If they're $5 a die (so $10 a pair, $25 for 5, etc.), does that kick the price point too high? Sometimes I need to roll around 80 dice, though I tend to break it up into groups of 15 (at most) to make it easier to pick out what I need (3 IG squads combined doing FRF/SRF is a sight to behold  ). $5 per die definitely prices me out.
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CapnAndy posted:I'm used to selling these things in pairs, since HeroClix is a 2d6 game, but I understand you guys use... lots of dice, all at once? How many dice would you want to buy in a set? If they're $5 a die (so $10 a pair, $25 for 5, etc.), does that kick the price point too high? 6 is the better result to roll outside of morale tests, and most people find Chessex dice cubes to suffice for their gaming needs which come with 24 dice, so around that many would be good if possible. I'd be keen for a set of Grey Knights dice if you ever made any
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ghetto wormhole posted:The Colossus/Medusa/Griffon are all gone and only available in IA1, a bunch of special characters are gone too (not a huge loss there though). We also lost Penal Legionnaires, though if I'm going to be perfectly honest that probably effected maybe 7 people worldwide, 8 tops. Shame they just flat-out got rid of them though, instead of trying to do something cool with them. (Exploding bomb collars?)
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New GK Codex! Now with Business as usual at GW  But seriously, that's loving sad. I love me some Grey Knights, and this would have been the perfect opportunity to flesh out their units.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:We also lost Penal Legionnaires, though if I'm going to be perfectly honest that probably effected maybe 7 people worldwide, 8 tops. Shame they just flat-out got rid of them though, instead of trying to do something cool with them. (Exploding bomb collars?) Do you mean the Last Chancers? Those guys were cool, even though I only seen them once on the table (actually, I think they might've been axed in the 5th ed codex).
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