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Yeah, played against a Gangplank today and he was completely happy just Q'ing me into a huge lead. People dump on her W as a worthless skill but it's a fantastic level 1 take against empowered AA champs Nasus or Wukong, as it's basically a single skill that completely counters them. Having 35 extra AD at level 9 in addition to the likely build order of pure AD and lifesteal just makes her a beast.
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mango sentinel posted:Oh god it actually is Jetstream Yasuo Crap. Now I actually have to relearn how to play Yasuo instead of just being a huge salty baby about the game.
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Aug 13, 2014 11:13
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:We also need Senator Mundo. Senator Vi. Whenever she dunks she shouts out "Don't gently caress with THIS senator!"
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Aug 13, 2014 11:22
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Arrrthritis posted:Senator Vi. Whenever she dunks she shouts out "Don't gently caress with THIS senator!" We need all 'dunk' ults to be made 'senator' skins with phrases like that.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:35
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Colonel Squish posted:How did Rammus find his way back to the top of the win-rate charts? He was in this exact position several months ago and they specifically addressed and solved the issue by taking a third of the time off of his taunt. Golem helped a fair amount, but the biggest reason is people know the exact circumstances where he thrives and pick him against teams who sport 4-5 ADs, which isn't an uncommon composition right now. So when he's played, he's often played in a situation where he's very strong.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:09
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Anyone play Kassadin on this patch yet? That 12 to 20 second increase looks horrible.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:17
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exethan posted:Anyone play Kassadin on this patch yet? That 12 to 20 second increase looks horrible. Yeah I've been wondering how he's playing right now. Not sure I fancy being the one to try though.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:32
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Maybe I should pick up Fiora instead of Rengar since he's getting nerfed? Or does his nerf not look that bad?
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Aug 13, 2014 13:44
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lilspooky posted:Maybe I should pick up Fiora instead of Rengar since he's getting nerfed? Or does his nerf not look that bad? The cooldown nerf on his ultimate is pretty big. I think it's a significant nerf.
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lilspooky posted:Maybe I should pick up Fiora instead of Rengar since he's getting nerfed? Or does his nerf not look that bad? Honestly, unless you're going jungle, if you just want a top/mid instead of a top/jungle. I'd say fiora is your bet pick, if you can play her well, she's a brilliant carry, and her dives are lethal.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:58
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Catpiss Neverclean posted:Please no I can't lose Vi What are they doing to Vi? I haven't seen anything change-related to her in awhile. lilspooky posted:Maybe I should pick up Fiora instead of Rengar since he's getting nerfed? Or does his nerf not look that bad? They are completely different characters with vastly different item builds and play styles. If you are at the point where you are still expanding your character pool, you should probably work your way through anything that you enjoy playing when it is free week and then buy those champions with IP whenever you can. It's pointless to try and predict and ride out the cycles of nerfs and buffs, they are never-ending, rest assured if you enjoy playing anything that is objectively strong it will be nerfed eventually.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:17
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lilspooky posted:Maybe I should pick up Fiora instead of Rengar since he's getting nerfed? Or does his nerf not look that bad? If you want a similar "literally eat poo poo adcs" experience to Rengar you can try out Talon  E: Comparing Fiora to anybody, though, your best bet is Master Yi. Both have similar "use temporary removal from the game to dodge while doing damage" mechanics(with Fiora's being considerably stronger than Yi's), and they have the same "squishy but with strong timing based defenses", with Fiora's being less general purpose than Meditate but much simpler. Fiora, compared to Yi, however, is a much stronger laner and takes way less mechanics to play well with once you get out of trench MMR. Fiora is very atypical for an AD assassin because she transitions into a walking team-fight nuke that also has cleanup potential. pog boyfriend fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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What are you guys doing when Fiora's ult is down? I find I can get ahead top with her but I can't close out games because teamfights either happen too quickly or my team doesn't engage with me.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:32
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Libertine posted:If you are at the point where you are still expanding your character pool, you should probably work your way through anything that you enjoy playing when it is free week and then buy those champions with IP whenever you can. It's pointless to try and predict and ride out the cycles of nerfs and buffs, they are never-ending, rest assured if you enjoy playing anything that is objectively strong it will be nerfed eventually. 
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Aug 13, 2014 14:37
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KidDynamite posted:What are you guys doing when Fiora's ult is down? I find I can get ahead top with her but I can't close out games because teamfights either happen too quickly or my team doesn't engage with me. You can't really use it as an engage unless - you're sickeningly fed - you've caught a squishy target out and can one-combo them - your team has really good follow-up cc wait until the right moment to go in, so then by the time you've used it, you should be able to finish off people with Qs and stuff. Build CDR so you can stick on people else you're going to run around being useless waiting for your Q CD
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Aug 13, 2014 14:39
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open in order 1 http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/2/2e/SadRobotAmumu.attack6.ogg 2 http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/2/29/SadRobotAmumu.joke.ogg 3 http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/5/57/SadRobotAmumu.attack4.ogg
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Libertine posted:open in order That's so creepy, man.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:48
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9-2 in my last eleven games, all as support. 21-9 (70% win rate) in my last 30 games playing support. Please don't burst anytime soon, recent win bubble.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:52
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Omnikin posted:9-2 in my last eleven games, all as support. 21-9 (70% win rate) in my last 30 games playing support. Please don't burst anytime soon, recent win bubble. I wish you luck and many promotions. Good going.
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AHH FUGH posted:Yeah, played against a Gangplank today and he was completely happy just Q'ing me into a huge lead. People dump on her W as a worthless skill but it's a fantastic level 1 take against empowered AA champs Nasus or Wukong, as it's basically a single skill that completely counters them. Having 35 extra AD at level 9 in addition to the likely build order of pure AD and lifesteal just makes her a beast. This gets brought up every time Fiora is mentioned but you're usually much better off maxing Q first. +50 base damage and -2 seconds cooldown on your mobility skill are going to be more useful than +5 ad and -1 second cooldown on riposte.
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glomkettle posted:This gets brought up every time Fiora is mentioned but you're usually much better off maxing Q first. +50 base damage and -2 seconds cooldown on your mobility skill are going to be more useful than +5 ad and -1 second cooldown on riposte. and if you're playing against Gangplank as Fiora he will be dead 90% of the time anyway
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Aug 13, 2014 16:07
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Libertine posted:What are they doing to Vi? I haven't seen anything change-related to her in awhile. Unless you rode the Renekton train. That poo poo took like a year.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:08
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glomkettle posted:This gets brought up every time Fiora is mentioned but you're usually much better off maxing Q first. +50 base damage and -2 seconds cooldown on your mobility skill are going to be more useful than +5 ad and -1 second cooldown on riposte. Maxing it is ill-advised, but at level 1 it can handily win you early trades.
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Wow I'm on another wicked losing streak. Highlights of last night was being told I was solely responsible for losing the game in two different games: (i) because I took Fiora jungle, and was therefore responsible for our team's 15 deaths in the first 12 minutes of the game (none of those deaths being mine - I was actually 2/1/2 at the time); and (ii) because I took Fiddlesticks, and he is a "completely non-viable jungler", apparently despite his 53-54% solo queue winrate. League - displaying the logical abilities of tomorrow's future leaders.
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Libertine posted:open in order Riot bring back Robot Amumu's global laugh, tia
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SlyFrog posted:none of those deaths being mine - I was actually 2/1/2 at the time) ???? It might seem like it's nitpicking but where you die as a jungler can have an absolutely profound impact on the game. I'm sure everyone has their own "what the gently caress the jungler died, gave double buffs to their mid and now their mid is like 9/0/0" story and while not all deaths are as drastic as that there exists the possibility that to the people you're playing with your death had that effect on the game. With that said the second complaint is almost definitely entirely based in anecdotal evidence. Maybe they think Fiddlesticks is bad because their only frame of reference is the Fiddlesticks ult montage video from the OP 
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SlyFrog posted:(i) because I took Fiora jungle, and was therefore responsible for our team's 15 deaths in the first 12 minutes of the game (none of those deaths being mine - I was actually 2/1/2 at the time) Not to say this is why you lost, but if you're picking an assassin jungle you need to be wrecking the poo poo out of the enemy team. Maybe you could have picked someone with some CC and saved your team some deaths?
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my pog boyfriend posted:???? Anytime a jungler rolls into a lane and dies without getting something in return, its going to piss the person off. Crazy Larry posted:Not to say this is why you lost, but if you're picking an assassin jungle you need to be wrecking the poo poo out of the enemy team. Maybe you could have picked someone with some CC and saved your team some deaths? I mean if he's 2-1-2 I am assuming he at least had some lane presence, but yeah. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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The Yasuo skin is Raiden, not Sam. He's got the white hair, the visor, and he does the sword-heel thing as one of his taunts. Turn in your nerd badges at the door.
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TheBuckmister posted:The Yasuo skin is Raiden, not Sam. He's got the white hair, the visor, and he does the sword-heel thing as one of his taunts. Turn in your nerd badges at the door. It should be Sam, that's the whole point. It would totally loving fit him.
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TheBuckmister posted:The Yasuo skin is Raiden, not Sam. He's got the white hair, the visor, and he does the sword-heel thing as one of his taunts. Turn in your nerd badges at the door. Did they change his ult hitting multiple people to a deadly breakdance of swords and swinging bodies
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Yeah, that was my bad. The overall point I was making was that for the longest time, none of the deaths was mine. I think I did pick one up sometime between 10-15 minutes into the game. But again, that was 1/15 of the deaths, and I actually got a couple of kills and assists to go with that. The rest of the team was literally something like a combined 2 kills 14 deaths, without any turrets or anything else. my pog boyfriend posted:It might seem like it's nitpicking but where you die as a jungler can have an absolutely profound impact on the game. I'm sure everyone has their own "what the gently caress the jungler died, gave double buffs to their mid and now their mid is like 9/0/0" story and while not all deaths are as drastic as that there exists the possibility that to the people you're playing with your death had that effect on the game. No, not nitpicking, that makes sense. I didn't give over double buffs or anything like that, but I did die at some point. I will own up to Fiora not exactly being the best possible jungle material, and this was definitely not a case of, "Oh my god, I'm carrying so hard, but I can't carry these scrubs." I was not playing a great game. I was mediocre at best, even for my lovely ELO. My point instead is the delusion of somehow thinking that approximately 15 lane deaths in the first 10-15 minutes of the game were all clearly caused by jungle doing something wrong. Everyone on the team was ranting about me. I just do not understand how people can be so delusional as to not own up (mentally) to any of their own gently caress ups. I mean, when you get double-killed bot because their bot lane outplayed you (and it didn't even involve a gank from their jungler), how are you possibly ranting about how you only died because you didn't get a gank? Like four minutes into the game? Again, I know, just a long-winded way of saying Dunning-Krueger. my pog boyfriend posted:With that said the second complaint is almost definitely entirely based in anecdotal evidence. Maybe they think Fiddlesticks is bad because their only frame of reference is the Fiddlesticks ult montage video from the OP God knows I've performed some really bad(okay, honestly, probably more bad than good) Fiddlesticks ults in my time. But Fiddlesticks in particular feels to me like one of those characters that can be made to look particularly bad dependent on the team. Nothing sadder than intentionally making sure your teammates are around, ulting into a group of the enemy with Zhonyas, watching 3-4 enemy healthbars drop to about 30%, and then you come out of Zhonya's discovering that your full health team has inexplicably has run away. You just want to cry. Of course, I've had my share of Fiddlesticks ults where I'm clearly too far ahead of the team to allow them to get there (just like I've had my share of Jarvan ults where I lock four opponents in the cage stupidly when if I look back on it, my team couldn't possibly get there to help me). So I'm not going to be too judgmental on that aspect of things. I just thought the concept of Fiddlesticks being "completely non-viable," said in such a certain and knowing manner, was hilarious. Crazy Larry posted:Not to say this is why you lost, but if you're picking an assassin jungle you need to be wrecking the poo poo out of the enemy team. Maybe you could have picked someone with some CC and saved your team some deaths? No question, that's on me. I should have been destroying people more, and as I said, Fiora is a non-traditional pick and I did not have a great game. But I was playing her Feral Flare, and I would at least have liked to have had the chance to get 10 minutes or so into the game without being down 15 kills and some lost turrets. And as was said earlier, I did have a couple of kills and a couple of assists, so it's not like I was doing absolutely nothing. I definitely should have played better - I was just more amazed that literally all 15 deaths could somehow be ascribed to be the jungler's sole fault in their minds (they literally said that, "All those deaths are because you haven't ganked," never mind that I somehow got a couple of kills and assists apparently without ganking). I think that I probably just need to stop playing anyone who isn't immediately recognized as a "jungler" in the Bronze/Silver world. It just throws people off too much, whether it is right or wrong. Of course I'm stupid, so I'll probably keep playing things like Fiora jungle anyway. 
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TheBuckmister posted:The Yasuo skin is Raiden, not Sam. He's got the white hair, the visor, and he does the sword-heel thing as one of his taunts. Turn in your nerd badges at the door. Ah, but his sword is red! Checkmate 
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SlyFrog posted:My point instead is the delusion of somehow thinking that approximately 15 lane deaths in the first 10-15 minutes of the game were all clearly caused by jungle doing something wrong. Everyone on the team was ranting about me. I just do not understand how people can be so delusional as to not own up (mentally) to any of their own gently caress ups. I mean, when you get double-killed bot because their bot lane outplayed you (and it didn't even involve a gank from their jungler), how are you possibly ranting about how you only died because you didn't get a gank? Like four minutes into the game? That's the problem with playing something silly like Fiora jungle, though: you have to prove to them that it's not a bad idea, and it sounds like you failed to do so. With Fiora jungle in particular, though, it's the sort of team-warping thing that requires everyone else to pick specific roles since she's a glass cannon jungler with zero CC who can't really initiate on her own. That is a LOT of checkboxes that need to be ticked by other people, when in the current meta it's mostly the jungler's job to bring some combination of tankiness/CC/initiation. Even if botlane lost a 2v2 straight up, they might be thinking "if we had a traditional jungler who could more easily assist lanes and get them rolling, this game might actually still be winnable." It's still totally a form of deflection, but that's the sort of mindset you have to deal with in order to justify a wacky pick. I'm sure you actually did fine, but teammates are going to hold you to a (sometimes) impossibly high standard if you pick something that seems weird to them. Now the Fiddle hate is just straight up silly, he rules. 
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I would add that the previous advice in this thread about not whining or ranting about a teammates "bad pick" is spot on. I definitely have weakness there, and I need to improve myself in that area. The Fiddlesticks jungle game is what completely drove it home for me. They were ranting literally from the moment the game begin about my "terrible choice" of jungler, and how Fiddlestick was non-viable. The point is that in their heads, they obviously really assumed they were right. But even if they were right (and they obviously weren't), all it could possibly do is gently caress up the game and throw off the team chemistry. Even if you are right about your teammates lovely pick, you are not going to accomplish anything by talking about it. All you are going to do is some combination of: (i) piss him off; (ii) destroy his morale and make him play worse; and/or (iii) screw yourself up, because in your certainty that the person doesn't know what they're doing, you're going to ruin your own morale, start making goofy plays to "make up" for the bad pick, etc. None of which are going to possibly have a good effect on your game. Plus, in the constant need to have everything reflect solely on whether it helps you win or lose, I think we sometimes lose track of the fact that even if you are right about something, making other people feel bad really isn't a good thing in its own right. I will admit that I have had some games where I have raised someone's lovely play in chat and felt bad about it, because they clearly felt bad about it. It feels like kicking a puppy (okay, what I assume kicking a puppy would feel like - I cannot say I've ever kicked a puppy intentionally).
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Wait, who the hell thinks Fiddlesticks is a bad jungler? Sure he isn't exactly the current meta of beefy bruiser junglers but other than being squishy has exactly everything a jungler needs.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:We also need Senator Mundo. NANOMACHINES, SLURRRRP
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Wait, who the hell thinks Fiddlesticks is a bad jungler? Sure he isn't exactly the current meta of beefy bruiser junglers but other than being squishy has exactly everything a jungler needs. his initiate sucks, he's too slow. to use your ult you'd need a flash handy too.
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Arrrthritis posted:Senator Vi. Whenever she dunks she shouts out "Don't gently caress with THIS senator!" I think I'd prefer if it was Darius. His voice is perfect for "Played college ball, you know." "Could have gone pro if I didn't join the navy." "I could break the king of noxus in two... with my bare hands!"
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