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Blade Runner is a really good movie.
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Wild T posted:I always thought Blade Runner wanted to have a protagonist who was absolutely not a hero. Superficially he looks like a hero, shoots at bad guys like a hero, gets the girl like a hero and wins in the end like a hero. But each of those action movie characteristics end up ringing hollow with anything further than a superficial glance and you realize that Deckard is just a facsimile of a good guy, going through the motions because that's all he can do. He didn't really win anything though. It was a lose/lose/lose situation at the end. The offworld replicants were sympathetic characters and one by one he kills them or they just die. Then you realize that he and Rachel both have a countdown timer to death and then you the viewer can ponder that for all intents and purposes, you have the same timer you just don't know when it's set to go off. If there was a hero character it would probably be Roy Batty for going to great lengths to try to save his friends and being the bigger man at the end when he could have just let Rick drop.
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Aug 12, 2014 19:17
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kazil posted:Deckard isn't a real human being... Oh, bravo. Bra. Vo. 
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Aug 12, 2014 19:30
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I often wonder if Deckard really was the best man for the job, as he just barely retired Zhora and Pris, and Leon and Roy's deaths were outside his influence. Roy came off more humane as he wasn't a rapist, and his Tears in the Rain speech was so good it made you forget that he crushed a dude's head like a rotten orange with his bare hands scarcely twenty minutes prior.
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Aug 12, 2014 19:38
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kazil posted:Deckard isn't a real human being...  Although I don't necessarily agree, it might be that he's just not a real hero. As Wild T says, he's a human rear end in a top hat, who like everyone else is pretty good at finding arbitrary justifications for murdering things and is thus no better (and probably worse) than the replicants.
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Aug 12, 2014 19:45
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Dr Scoofles posted:My husband loves all those stupid comedies which basically amounts to a schlub man child gradually winning over a chilly love interest by constantly waging some sort of charm offensive against her. The love interest also seems to undergo some sort of transformation from glasses wearing frigid professional with her hair in a bun to fun loving warm hearted girl who turns against her job, starts wearing make up and lets her hair down. gently caress those movies, all of them. I also do not like Zoolander
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Aug 13, 2014 04:30
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Dr Scoofles posted:My husband loves all those stupid comedies which basically amounts to a schlub man child gradually winning over a chilly love interest by constantly waging some sort of charm offensive against her. The love interest also seems to undergo some sort of transformation from glasses wearing frigid professional with her hair in a bun to fun loving warm hearted girl who turns against her job, starts wearing make up and lets her hair down. gently caress those movies, all of them. I hate that plot device too, along with any movie that lazily has the female lead fall for the male lead for no reason at all. It's so dumb and insulting.
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Aug 13, 2014 06:09
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What's even more annoying is when the guy has basically no redeeming features and only gets the girl at the end because he's the protagonist and otherwise it wouldn't be a rom-com and would just be a normal com, see: Every romantic comedy Dane Cook has ever been in. edit: Although I guess with Dane Cook it wouldn't really be a comedy either. Hmm.
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Aug 13, 2014 07:39
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mobby_6kl posted:
So he's not a hero, it's almost like he's some kind of... anti-hero? 
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Aug 13, 2014 07:51
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May Contain Nuts posted:I also do not like Zoolander That was in the back of my mind but Knocked Up also pissed me right off. e. The annoying thing is there is so much about Zoolander I love, but I still have a sour taste in my mouth whenever there is a scene with the romantic interest. Dr Scoofles has a new favorite as of 07:59 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Aug 13, 2014 07:57
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Dr Scoofles posted:That was in the back of my mind but Knocked Up also pissed me right off. There's so many movies where the entire problem would be solved if someone just got an abortion but the option is never even bought up for some reason (I know it is in Knocked Up). Celery Face has a new favorite as of 08:23 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Aug 13, 2014 08:07
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Celery Face posted:There's no way that anyone who wasn't super religious wouldn't run straight to the nearest abortion clinic after getting pregnant from a drunken one night stand with a fat lazy manchild who does nothing but smoke pot and oogle porn all day. Especially since she had a nice career to focus on. Even if she didn't get an abortion, it's not like the manchild has to be in the picture just because he knocked her up. The pro-choice demographic are fine with a woman choosing not to abort a baby, but the anti-choice demographic would get mad if she did something they didn't want her to do.
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Aug 13, 2014 10:28
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Slime posted:The pro-choice demographic are fine with a woman choosing not to abort a baby, but the anti-choice demographic would get mad if she did something they didn't want her to do. That just pisses me off even more, that a movie is influenced by religious morons.
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Aug 13, 2014 11:33
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Stan Lee cameos in Marvel movies. That was cute in Spider-man like a million years ago, but now it just annoys me.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:27
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PostNouveau posted:Stan Lee cameos in Marvel movies. That was cute in Spider-man like a million years ago, but now it just annoys me. They were great in Sam Raimi's films because he would be there for less than a second and you had to put some effort trying to spot him.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:54
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I completely understand that full-on Planet of the Apes apes have white sclera (eyeball) like humans do, because largely they want to make the apes look like the originals in some fashion which has to remain true to the fact that originals were people in masks. However, apes have black or brown sclera. In fact proto-humans did too, for a long time in our evolutionary strain -- It's believed we only gained white sclera with Homo ergaster. With the full CG apes in the newer films, especially apes that are meant to be generation 0, they shouldn't have white sclera (or epiglottises that fully close, allowing speech) and it drives me totally mental. I get why the apes speak in these films, but again this is generation 0 and 1. Apes with brown sclera that completely signed for communication would still be relatable. Bah.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:09
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Hulebr00670065006e posted:That just pisses me off even more, that a movie is influenced by religious morons. Or, you know, Judd Apatow thought it would make a good plot.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:16
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Celery Face posted:There's no way that anyone who wasn't super religious wouldn't run straight to the nearest abortion clinic after getting pregnant from a drunken one night stand with a fat lazy manchild who does nothing but smoke pot and oogle porn all day. Especially since she had a nice career to focus on. Even if she didn't get an abortion, it's not like the manchild has to be in the picture just because he knocked her up. Thing is not everyone is cool with having a abortion. I'm from the UK and we don't really have the whole pro-choice argument any more if people want an abortion they just go get one no fuss. But there are still as many woman who just don't like the idea of it as woman who don't see any problem with getting one, without any of these decisions having anything to do with religion. So I imagine it's similar over there and the character not having an abortion as a personal choice even if it does gently caress her life abit isn't exactly unlikely. What does annoy me in that movie is how Seth Rogan manages to find a nice comfy job and apartment within a few weeks/ a month. Also her career is kind of crap even if she is starting to make headway in it. And can I add that as a thing that annoys me in movies is main characters having media careers. Just give them a normal or interesting job, a tv career in film is neither. I would have taken her career worries a lot more seriously if her career wasn't annoying people at red carpets. And as for Blade Runner, I've only watched it twice soon no expert but I always saw Batty as the hero ( he's in a horrible situation trying to help his friends) and Deckard as the villain ( even if it is out of his control and he sort of redeems himself at he end.) I should really get round to reading the book to see if it has a deeper reading.Especially as I'm a big Philip K. Dick fan but I've never managed to get past the start.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:42
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Henchman of Santa posted:Or, you know, Judd Apatow thought it would make a good plot. Whoa lets not jump to conclusions buddy!!
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Aug 13, 2014 14:06
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Action Tortoise posted:They were great in Sam Raimi's films because he would be there for less than a second and you had to put some effort trying to spot him. Except for Spider-Man 3. Stan Lee shouldn't actually speak in his roles, he's bad at it. Dr Scoofles posted:That was in the back of my mind but Knocked Up also pissed me right off. ...But Zoolander parodies all that stuff. Their big moment is an orgy with some Sherpas and dwarves.
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Aug 13, 2014 15:07
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PostNouveau posted:Stan Lee cameos in Marvel movies. That was cute in Spider-man like a million years ago, but now it just annoys me. Stan Lee has more than earned the right to have one line of poorly acted dialog in every Marvel movie ever 
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Aug 13, 2014 15:19
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:Thing is not everyone is cool with having a abortion. Not quite. There are still a lot of anti-choicers and we sadly do get pickets outside of abortion clinics.
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Aug 13, 2014 15:38
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Aphrodite posted:Except for Spider-Man 3. Plus it's Ben's wife playing the love interest so I think they knew what was up.
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Aug 13, 2014 15:50
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kazil posted:Stan Lee has more than earned the right to have one line of poorly acted dialog in every Marvel movie ever You know the more the movies go on, the more tempted they're going to be to do something dumb like make him a Watcher.
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Aug 13, 2014 15:55
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PostNouveau posted:You know the more the movies go on, the more tempted they're going to be to do something dumb like make him a Watcher. What makes you think he's not one already?
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Aug 13, 2014 16:00
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Aphrodite posted:Except for Spider-Man 3. "Yeah. Can I have my shoe back?" was delivered just fine, and was a great laugh moment. I defend this man.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:21
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I too think that the reason that chick in Knocked Up didn't get an abortion was because of a need to placate the religious right and not because the movie wouldn't exist at all if she had because the premise of the film relies on her not having an abortion
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Aug 13, 2014 16:31
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I have to agree that Stan Lee does just fine in his cameos. I haven't watched Amazing Spider-man, but his scene was a fun bit of physical comedy, if this gif is anything to judge by.
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Aug 13, 2014 17:24
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kinmik posted:I have to agree that Stan Lee does just fine in his cameos. I haven't watched Amazing Spider-man, but his scene was a fun bit of physical comedy, if this gif is anything to judge by. It was a pretty fun moment in an okay film. I don't have a preference for him speaking or not speaking. Keerist, Mallrats is almost 20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vJpAXf5wyk
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Aug 13, 2014 21:44
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syscall girl posted:Keerist, Mallrats is almost 20. Irritating movie moment: Every bit of dialogue in every Kevin Smith movie because he can't write for characters, he can only have them spew huge diatribes that sound like things only Kevin Smith would say.
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Aug 13, 2014 21:47
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PostNouveau posted:Irritating movie moment: Every bit of dialogue in every Kevin Smith movie because he can't write for characters, he can only have them spew huge diatribes that sound like things only Kevin Smith would say. There is nothing irrational about this, Kevin Smith movies are incredibly tiresome to watch, no matter how good the premise.
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Aug 13, 2014 21:48
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PostNouveau posted:Irritating movie moment: Every bit of dialogue in every Kevin Smith movie because he can't write for characters, he can only have them spew huge diatribes that sound like things only Kevin Smith would say. That clip though, is Stan Lee admitting that he just spewed a bunch of ridiculous poo poo, at the end. Maybe they had a talk. Agreed though that as an adult Kevin Smith's movies lose a lot of luster. His podcast ABC's of SNL where he interviews Jon Lovitz are well worth listening to, though. Lovitz is often irritating but also really sincere and Smith is just a drat good interviewer and knows when to shut up, which is most of the time.
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Aug 13, 2014 21:52
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toxicsunset posted:I too think that the reason that chick in Knocked Up didn't get an abortion was because of a need to placate the religious right and not because the movie wouldn't exist at all if she had because the premise of the film relies on her not having an abortion I can only think of one legit complaint with Knocked Up right now and it's not really the movie itself. It's how Katherine Heigl called Knocked Up "sexist" because her character is humourless and uptight. Which is weird because her character has every reason to act like that in the situation she's in. I thought the point was that the manchild needed to learn to grow the hell up, not that she had to stop being such a "killjoy." It's even weirder that Heigl went on to produce and star in The Ugly Truth and that's a pretty sexist movie. There's this dumb horror movie I watched a long time ago where there's this evil spirit called Jumby. How is anyone supposed to take something with a goofy-rear end name like that seriously?
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Aug 13, 2014 21:53
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syscall girl posted:Agreed though that as an adult Kevin Smith's movies lose a lot of luster. His podcast ABC's of SNL where he interviews Jon Lovitz are well worth listening to, though. Lovitz is often irritating but also really sincere and Smith is just a drat good interviewer and knows when to shut up, which is most of the time. Weirdly I enjoy Kevin Smith as an interviewer or interview subject. But I just can't get through his films, and it's weird because I know a lot of people love them, so there must be something I'm just not getting.
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Aug 13, 2014 21:56
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PostNouveau posted:Irritating movie moment: Every bit of dialogue in every Kevin Smith movie because he can't write for characters, he can only have them spew huge diatribes that sound like things only Kevin Smith would say. I mean, people like Tarantino and Sorkin do this too, but they don't write retarded nerd poo poo like Kevin Smith so people actually like it.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:41
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I mean, people like Tarantino and Sorkin do this too, but they don't write retarded nerd poo poo like Kevin Smith so people actually like it. What do you call the Superman speech in Kill Bill?
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Aug 13, 2014 22:48
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PostNouveau posted:Weirdly I enjoy Kevin Smith as an interviewer or interview subject. But I just can't get through his films, and it's weird because I know a lot of people love them, so there must be something I'm just not getting. I have to admit, the stuff I like best from him is his podcasts, especially where he and Jason Mewes are just talking about poo poo like their lives. If you listen to Jason Mewes and then rewatch any jay and silent bob stuff, you realize that Kevin Smith does a lovely job of translating Jason Mewes into Jay on screen. It's almost like listening to someone act out a story that another friend is telling about the first guy.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:53
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bobkatt013 posted:What do you call the Superman speech in Kill Bill? I anticipated this response, and I don't disagree. But I dunno I guess QT's brand of pretentious nerd-poo poo is more palatable than Smith's. But he still misses as many as he hits.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:56
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bobkatt013 posted:What do you call the Superman speech in Kill Bill? Awesome
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bobkatt013 posted:What do you call the Superman speech in Kill Bill? Well delivered but fundamentally inaccurate, as if it belies a deep misunderstanding of the nature of both Superman and Batman.
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