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Rasamune posted:http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930 This is from over an hour ago.
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Holy poo poo http://fox2now.com/2014/08/13/ferguson-man-claims-he-was-beaten-and-theatened-after-witnessing-tuesday-night-shooting-police/ Guy witnessed that "woman shot in the head" incident last night, says (and so does the news outlet) it was the PD who shot her, then they arrested him for witnessing it.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:41
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SedanChair posted:Probably to get us some good information and show that this isn't just about black people, I don't know. Quoting for posterity. I'm unsure whether, upon reflection, you'll be able to understand how patronizing your attitude comes off. Let us make these facts clear: This is about race. This is not about police brutality. This is not about enfranchisement. This is not about business. This is not about class struggle and solidarity. This is an issue of race and institutional racism.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:41
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My Imaginary GF posted:Quoting for posterity. I'm unsure whether, upon reflection, you'll be able to understand how patronizing your attitude comes off.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:43
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SedanChair posted:Probably to get us some good information and show that this isn't just about black people, I don't know. thank god we have people like you to make sure we don't focus too much on the issue of race in America
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Aug 14, 2014 05:43
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My Imaginary GF posted:Quoting for posterity. I'm unsure whether, upon reflection, you'll be able to understand how patronizing your attitude comes off. Well Sedan Chair all but called me and Uncle Tom because we had differing opinions on Shrapton (as well as completely missing the point I was making) that's just how they are.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:44
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SedanChair posted:Probably to get us some good information and show that this isn't just about black people, I don't know. It's pretty much about race dude. Bundy got a loving red carpet, and that fucker is still not in prison.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:44
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Why was the guy walking his dog during all of this?
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Aug 14, 2014 05:44
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Blue Star posted:Why was the guy walking his dog during all of this? A lot of people actively choose not to give a gently caress about what's happening in their community
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Aug 14, 2014 05:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:Quoting for posterity. I'm unsure whether, upon reflection, you'll be able to understand how patronizing your attitude comes off. It can't be about all of those things? The millitarization of the police drat well seems relevant. Race is an obvious and primary factor, but it seems bad to consider it the only one.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:45
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I, too, get angry about people's opinions.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:46
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Any bets on which side he'll take? Are Missouri Dems actually worth a poo poo? Quite an easy answer: Kander is on the side of Kander. Now, whether that side benefits more from pressuring for the use of live fire, I prefer not to speculate on hypotheticals. And worth a poo poo in what way? Better than the alternative? God, yes. Effective at winning elections? Effective at recruiting and organizing? Effective at moderating the Tea Party? Effective at representing their interests? E: Rent-A-Cop posted:Is your position that white people should not protest against racism? My position is that the protestors don't need a white knight to speak for them. The police action already speaks that attitude loudly enough. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 05:47
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Nonsense posted:A lot of people actively choose not to give a gently caress about what's happening in their community Most people don't like dog poo poo on their rugs and generally don't expect to get jumped by their own neighbors.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:47
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How short was his skirt? Yeah, let's go down anything close to the "he was asking for it" road. We've no reason to believe the guy did anything wrong, although I sure as hell get that people are irrationally angry right now.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:49
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My Imaginary GF posted:My position is that the protestors don't need a white knight to speak for them. The police action already speaks that attitude loudly enough.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:51
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Rasamune posted:http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930 Watch out Doc, the Libyans are coming for their plutonium!
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Aug 14, 2014 05:53
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My Imaginary GF posted:
If you ONLY make it about race you invariably kettle your own cause into the US vs THEM mindset that people are already building the stage for. It has to be much broader. It has to be what all Americans, just as human beings, won't stand for top to bottom, on all the relevant issues. Sure, its understandable that people there are very very upset well past the point of irrational anger, but don't condone "I'm Black and Angry so go home honky or we will punch you" as anything but a short term lashing out.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:55
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My Imaginary GF posted:Quoting for posterity. I'm unsure whether, upon reflection, you'll be able to understand how patronizing your attitude comes off. Man, you aren't necessarily wrong, but if you don't see how this attitude is counter-productive I don't know what to tell you. My Imaginary GF posted:My position is that the protestors don't need a white knight to speak for them. The police action already speaks that attitude loudly enough. They need the press to speak for them, everyone does. And if you make it about race exclusively, then that's what the press focuses on, and if you make it about race and have black guys beating up random white dudes, the press is going to cover that aspect of it. You need the broader support of the people to enact change. Cesar Cedeno fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 05:55
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I mean, did you see how he was dressed? We all know he was asking for it
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Aug 14, 2014 05:57
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Another witness to the shooting has come forward, with video of the actual shooting (or at least the tail end of it) : http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Another-witness-to-Michael-Brown-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.htmlquote:Mitchell told News 4 she saw a door close on a police car. An officer was inside and Brown, Jr. was on the outside. She said the two were arm wrestling through the car window. Mitchell said she then tried to pull out her phone to record. Shots then rang out. That's two eyewitnesses stating that the cop basically executed the kid after he had already been shot and was pleading for mercy.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:58
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zen death robot posted:He's also not even from that area and probably looks like a some kind of odd tourist gawking around which is a bit of a problem as well when there are already trust issues going on. He also has no press ID lanyards like, you know, the actual press. And he never denied he was there previously to hand out his ideologically-tinged literature. This isn't a class-struggle. This is a protest against institutional racism. If he can't understand when he's wanted as an ally and when he's not, he's not an ally. E: Cesar Cedeno posted:They need the press to speak for them, everyone does. And if you make it about race exclusively, then that's what the press focuses on, and if you make it about race and have black guys beating up random white dudes, the press is going to cover that aspect of it. No. The black community in St. Louis doesn't need anyone to speak for them. These protests don't need anyone to speak for them. This is the root cause of the protests, the issue that is deeper than just the police action: there is no trust that the community can speak for themselves, as the institutions around them refuse to hear their voice. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 05:59
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Really? Because this poo poo happens all the goddamn time. Maybe one in a hundred incidents get blown up into a national media event due to a combination of truly incompetent policing, photogenic rioting, and a slow news day. 'Cop Shoots Black Teen' should just be a permanent headline. They could save a lot of reporter time by just writing a form story and changing the names and location once a day. You are right. It should be a permanent headline.So every time this happens the police force of that town has to be looked at .Not every crime that happens deserves a bullet. Some one else on the board said something about wearing video cameras? gently caress yeah we need that. But what we don't need is apathy it shouldn't be a everyday occurrence where you just copy and paste a story. Michael brown was one a kind , just like everyone is. It matters
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Aug 14, 2014 06:00
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My Imaginary GF posted:My position is that the protestors don't need a white knight to speak for them. The police action already speaks that attitude loudly enough. Because it's important that in the fight against racism we exclude whites?
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Aug 14, 2014 06:01
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How short was his skirt? Oh you're talking about somebody who was assaulted, I thought you were talking about some guy from much earlier who was walking his dog and appeared in the stream, but I didn't know an assault followed that.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:01
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Senka @senka 4m @AntonioFrench being booked now. Not sure what the charge is yet. Was ordered out of his car and arrested because he "didn't listen".
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Aug 14, 2014 06:01
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Accretionist posted:Because it's important that in the fight against racism we exclude whites? idk
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Aug 14, 2014 06:02
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Accretionist posted:Because it's important that in the fight against racism we exclude whites? Fight Racism. Punch a white person today.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:03
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zen death robot posted:He's also not even from that area and probably looks like a some kind of odd tourist gawking around which is a bit of a problem as well when there are already trust issues going on. He also has no press ID lanyards like, you know, the actual press. His earlier posts also don't exactly suggest anything other than a naïve "danger tourist" vibe anyway: Neo Duckberg posted:I heard there was a riot so I headed to north county to check it out. Neo Duckberg posted:It's going to be a fun night, I'm going to get out and enjoy the tea- fresh air. Neo Duckberg posted:I will be out tonight and posting in this thread. I think I will introduce the protesters to maoism third-worldism, that should remedy things. Neo Duckberg posted:I have infiltrated the area and discovered a burning garbage can. That's loving it. Neo Duckberg posted:Update: a resident tried to fight me for taking pictures but a very nice NAACP man saved me Neo Duckberg posted:I met a group of black panthers who were concerned for my safety after another guy accused me of being a cop and we had an extremely interesting talk and now I respect them very deeply, to say the least. They really are great people just trying to help out their fellow man. They got some people together to put out the three garbage fires someone started because the fire department obviously wasn't going to. Stand up group of motherfuckers. Neo Duckberg posted:gently caress it, I'm on the way. I like bad situations. Neo Duckberg posted:I am in front of the cops right now. They used the LRAD on me but I got ear plugs. Checkmate. Neo Duckberg posted:Got threatened by some bloods or something Neo Duckberg posted:A black guy punched me in the face for no reason. Not joking None of this shows particular sensitivity to the issue at hand, nor does it suggest he actually is making a particularly bold move that might at least ingratiate himself with the other protesters. EDIT: There's showing empathy for the issue at hand and then there's getting your daily endorphin rush because you did something dangerous and edgy. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 06:03
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My Imaginary GF posted:If he can't understand when he's wanted as an ally and when he's not, he's not an ally. this kind of myopic poo poo is like a textbook stereotype of infighting leftists. Waste time picking apart people who are largely on your side instead of the blatant enemy, while forgetting about any larger context or overall goals.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:04
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So...are there any good sources right now for keeping up with what's happening right now?
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My Imaginary GF posted:And he never denied he was there previously to hand out his ideologically-tinged literature.
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BigRed0427 posted:So...are there any good sources right now for keeping up with what's happening right now? http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/ I don't think there are any livesteams. I think MSNBC is covering it as well. EDIT: 
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Aug 14, 2014 06:05
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Whoa I didn't know that saying white people should shut the gently caress up, listen to black people, and not tell us how to feel or fight a battle we've been fighting forever was controversial. Welp. I mean dude didn't have a press pass, or a camera. No wonder they were loving suspicious. He was accused of being under cover more than once. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 06:06
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Another witness to the shooting has come forward, with video of the actual shooting (or at least the tail end of it) : http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Another-witness-to-Michael-Brown-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.html That gently caress needs to be behind bars. This girl was smart to stay quiet until she had representation to protect her.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:06
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Koalas March posted:Whoa I didn't know that saying white people should shut the gently caress up, listen to black people, and not tell us how to feel or fight a battle we've been fighting forever was controversial. Welp It was more the "gently caress off, your help isn't wanted" attitude.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:07
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Being in the same area as a black person = not listening to them and telling them to shut up
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Aug 14, 2014 06:07
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zen death robot posted:I seriously thought he was joking about the literature. If he wasn't, well, no loving wonder he got punched. "When I was browsing SA, all I wanted was to be in the poo poo. Then when I was in the poo poo, all I wanted was to be browsing SA again. The only real constant this afternoon has been my unshakable faith in the science of marxism-leninism." Edit: Koalas March posted:Whoa I didn't know that saying white people should shut the gently caress up, listen to black people, and FTFY Accretionist fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 06:10
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It would be an appropriate thing to say if he was taking any position of authority or involvement in the protest at all and not a guy doing really simple observation stuff and sharing it on the internet.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:10
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there is no way neo duckberg was handing out third worldist propaganda.
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Radbot posted:Being in the same area as a black person = not listening to them and telling them to shut up Well the actual residents,activists and black posters posting are saying one thing but no don't listen to what they're saying and keep calling them uncle toms and racists on the sly edit: you didn't say it specifically but the attitude in general is getting annoying.
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