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Radbot posted:Being in the same area as a black person = not listening to them and telling them to shut up Well the actual residents,activists and black posters posting are saying one thing but no don't listen to what they're saying and keep calling them uncle toms and racists on the sly edit: you didn't say it specifically but the attitude in general is getting annoying.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:10
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chaos rhames posted:It would be an appropriate thing to say if he was taking any position of authority or involvement in the protest at all and not a guy doing really simple observation stuff and sharing it on the internet. He was just observing the bloods around him, I don't see what the problem is or anything!
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Aug 14, 2014 06:11
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There are white people in with the protestors, you loving goons.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:12
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Koalas March posted:Whoa I didn't know that saying white people should shut the gently caress up, listen to black people, and not tell us how to feel or fight a battle we've been fighting forever was controversial. Welp Yeah, what's controversial about this? It's been demonstrated over and over again that when white people get involved in movements they bring attention and support, but usually at the cost of centering focus on themselves rather than the groups most impacted. Which leads to piss poor, band-aid solutions on problems that in effect sweep them under the rug rather than address the structural, systematic problems. It's been proven that white people are generally incapable of handling criticism or even discussion about racial issues, since society generally safeguards them from having to deal with these things, "leading to a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium." I don't think it's asking too much for allies to take a backseat and work on supporting or amplifying the voices of the most impacted communities rather than trying to speak for them or impose solutions that have been constructed based on outside experiences or vicarious assumptions. I'm glad to see people of all races assisting in the Ferguson protests, but I can't be mad at the folks on the ground who have had to deal with this poo poo for DECADES taking the extra time to make sure they're not being co-opted or marginalized. BigRed0427 posted:So...are there any good sources right now for keeping up with what's happening right now? Pretty much just twitter. MSM has decided to not cover this up until now besides snippets about riots or protests, although that might change tomorrow since some reporters got arrested today. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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chaos rhames posted:It would be an appropriate thing to say if he was taking any position of authority or involvement in the protest at all and not a guy doing really simple observation stuff and sharing it on the internet. People get angry when you're playing war tourist in their backyard.
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Being merely "an observer" isn't demonstrating that you're listening, nor is it showing solidarity. EDIT: Koalas March posted:People get angry when you're playing war tourist in their backyard. Basically this. Now it's fair to argue that maybe he has the right/moral responsibility to help out and show support and solidarity (perhaps provided that any such support and solidarity is ancillary to the fight rather than drawing attention to his own concerns), but being a war tourist is basically anything but. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 06:12
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the people who beat up their white neighbor were racists imo.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:13
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Being merely "an observer" isn't demonstrating that you're listening, nor is it showing solidarity. Still doesn't deserve to be attacked.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:14
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Miltank posted:the people who beat up their white neighbor were racists imo. Seriously its pretty racist to assume that all the cops are white...oh wait, almost all the cops in this community are white. Vincent Van Goat posted:Still doesn't deserve to be attacked. Right, but it also deserves to be mocked when you call black men "bloods" then whine when you get punched during a chaotic and sometimes violent protest.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:14
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Miltank posted:the people who beat up their white neighbor were racists imo. If you're talking about the dog-walker guy, he was beat up by some freaked out teenagers who thought he was a cop, and were then wrestled off by other nearby black citizens.
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Miltank posted:the people who beat up their white neighbor were racists imo. They were bigots, or assholes, and definitely douchebags, but not racists.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Yeah, what's controversial about this? It's been demonstrated over and over again that when white people get involved in movements they bring attention and support, but usually at the cost of centering focus on themselves rather than the groups most impacted. Which leads to piss poor, band-aid solutions on problems that in effect sweep them under the rug rather than address the structural, systematic problems. It's been proven that white people are generally incapable of handling criticism or even discussion about racial issues, since society generally safeguards them from having to deal with these things, "leading to a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium." thanks for letting us know, next time I see a black I'll run the other way and try not to look it in the eyes
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Aug 14, 2014 06:15
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I don't think it's asking too much for allies to take a backseat and work on supporting or amplifying the voices of the most impacted communities rather than trying to speak for them or impose solutions that have been constructed based on outside experiences or vicarious assumptions. I'm glad to see people of all races assisting in the Ferguson protests, but I can't be mad at the folks on the ground who have had to deal with this poo poo for DECADES taking the extra time to make sure they're not being co-opted or marginalized. By punching some random-rear end guy the gently caress out?
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Another witness to the shooting has come forward, with video of the actual shooting (or at least the tail end of it) : http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Another-witness-to-Michael-Brown-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.html any other links to this? site is getting hammered right now, can`t see any video
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Aug 14, 2014 06:15
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zen death robot posted:I seriously thought he was joking about the literature. If he wasn't, well, no loving wonder he got punched. A friend texted me a photo of a white, mid-20s kid handing out 'Revolutionary Marxist Party USA' lit. I asked him several times, directly, if it was him. I did not see any answer other than avoidance, therefore I presumed he was the one handing out the lit. Its a good thing I'm a conservative Democrat and not a leftist, otherwise I'd continue bickering over speaking for a community rather than listening to the community and trusting that they deserve to have their own voices heard.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:16
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parthenocarpy posted:any other links to this? site is getting hammered right now, can`t see any video that link doesn't actually have any of the footage of the shooting. its all after he's dead and the other cops showed up.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:16
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parthenocarpy posted:any other links to this? site is getting hammered right now, can`t see any video
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Aug 14, 2014 06:17
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Miltank posted:there is no way neo duckberg was handing out third worldist propaganda. Hell no.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:17
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Spiritus Nox posted:By punching some random-rear end guy the gently caress out? Of course, the protesters are disturbed and inflamed by recent events. You take caution when around wild animals or violent, mentally defective children, right?
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Aug 14, 2014 06:18
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 Can we start calling this a police riot? Because that's what it is. Pretty much all injuries and property damage over the past two nights have been caused by the police, not the protesters. They've been deliberately instigating and sustaining conflict with their ridiculously heavy-handed presence, and have been caught on tape verbally egging on the crowd hoping for a fight. Whether they get the fight they're looking for or not, every night this week has ended with tear gas and rubber bullets in civilians' backyards anyway. And tonight they're detaining journalists and arresting city aldermen.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:18
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bedpan posted:Of course, the protesters are disturbed and inflamed by recent events. You take caution when around wild animals or violent, mentally defective children, right? Nice bait bro.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:18
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My Imaginary GF posted:A friend texted me a photo of a white, mid-20s kid handing out 'Revolutionary Marxist Party USA' lit. I asked him several times, directly, if it was him. I did not see any answer other than avoidance, therefore I presumed he was the one handing out the lit.
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bedpan posted:Of course, the protesters are disturbed and inflamed by recent events. You take caution when around wild animals or violent, mentally defective children, right? Are you seriously drawing an analogy between racially motivated protestors and "violent, mentally defective children"? 
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Aug 14, 2014 06:19
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Have there been RICO charges filed against a police department before?
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Aug 14, 2014 06:19
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Are you seriously drawing an analogy between racially motivated protestors and "violent, mentally defective children"? you fell for it man
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Aug 14, 2014 06:19
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
This is great over-time for them, and the county loving hates it and is probably why they're making boneheaded moves to wrap this up.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:19
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Teddybear posted:Have there been RICO charges filed against a police department before?
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Spiritus Nox posted:By punching some random-rear end guy the gently caress out? Yeah, that's what I'm defending in my post, the knock-out game.  I don't think anyone is advocating for violence against random strangers. It's terrible that some random dude got beat up for basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time and it shouldn't have happened. Not excusing it, but emotions are probably running a bit high and people don't know who to trust or how to vent it. I hope it doesn't happen again, because it's wrong and because it hurts the image of the protests in the media.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:20
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My Imaginary GF posted:A friend texted me a photo of a white, mid-20s kid handing out 'Revolutionary Marxist Party USA' lit. I asked him several times, directly, if it was him. I did not see any answer other than avoidance, therefore I presumed he was the one handing out the lit. gently caress that poo poo man, I'm a leftist and I'm right behind you and most of the leftist groups are follow and watch are tto. These people are clowns
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Rollofthedice posted:you fell for it man Fair enough.
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Oh yeah, they are probably being paid a lot for this. Forced OT pays even more than normal Overtime.
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bedpan posted:Of course, the protesters are disturbed and inflamed by recent events. You take caution when around wild animals or violent, mentally defective children, right? So you're comparing the protesters to wild animals?
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My Imaginary GF posted:A friend texted me a photo of a white, mid-20s kid handing out 'Revolutionary Marxist Party USA' lit. I asked him several times, directly, if it was him. I did not see any answer other than avoidance, therefore I presumed he was the one handing out the lit. Maoism is distinct from Marxism in terms of ideology. I doubt that any Maoist Third Worldists would actually found a political party in the States, considering the deep-seated ideas about the labour aristocracy amongst them.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Are you seriously drawing an analogy between racially motivated protestors and "violent, mentally defective children"? He's implying that's what the other guy's implying.
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Teddybear posted:Have there been RICO charges filed against a police department before? Your belief in the rule of law has been very precious throughout the thread, but if you think that any legal action will be taken against the cops (including the one who shot Michael Brown) then I have really bad news for you. The best you can hope for are some reforms, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Rollofthedice posted:If you're talking about the dog-walker guy, he was beat up by some freaked out teenagers who thought he was a cop, and were then wrestled off by other nearby black citizens. let's be honest here, some of the people going out into this mess don't have good intentions (beyond the cops har har). I really doubt they thought some guy (who lives there) walking his loving dog was an undercover cop. That's why I don't understand why anyone would seriously want to narrow the support window here and make this myopically about race. It can be largely about race, but it's foolish to say that is the only serious issue here. making it solely about race and one community, means that any white people that do get beat up there are going to be more the focus of the story then they should be.
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My Imaginary GF posted:A friend texted me a photo of a white, mid-20s kid handing out 'Revolutionary Marxist Party USA' lit. I asked him several times, directly, if it was him. I did not see any answer other than avoidance, therefore I presumed he was the one handing out the lit. The guy was black though so probably not our goon who got punched by some Bloods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCMI0uKbBE Spiritus Nox posted:By punching some random-rear end guy the gently caress out?
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Nonsense posted:This is great over-time for them, and the county loving hates it and is probably why they're making boneheaded moves to wrap this up. Partly this, yeah. The county hates it because its bad press. They don't want to put their house in order. Hell, they only retreated tonight after Nixon barked in. Certainly some backroom dealing going on right now.
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