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BaronVonVaderham posted:True, I guess I was at least assuming he would be UB like Grimgrin or something. Gissa and Geralf decided to team up to make a zombie army powerful enough to siege Thraben. Its commander, Grimgrin, was made by the two of them together.
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Kabanaw posted:Gissa and Geralf decided to team up to make a zombie army powerful enough to siege Thraben. Its commander, Grimgrin, was made by the two of them together. Nerd. :P
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Aug 14, 2014 16:21
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I personally really like how Gisa and Geralf are written. Their relationship pretty much mimics a proper quarreling pair of children. Doing things differently than the other for the sake of being different and occasionally putting with each other because they have to.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:24
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Maybe Gisa made Geralf a messenger for his birthday.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:27
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Raid is Kaalia, right? I can see it being used for some pretty cool stuff. Give a Raid creature flash and you've got a combat trick attached to a creature. Something like Raid: target creature gains First Strike, Lifelink, and Deathtouch until EOT. vvvv: white gets flash sometimes. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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suicidesteve posted:Raid is Kaalia, right? I can see it being used for some pretty cool stuff. Give a Raid creature flash and you've got a combat trick attached to a creature. Something like Raid: target creature gains First Strike, Lifelink, and Deathtouch until EOT. It's definitely an idea, but since it isn't in the colors of flash (green and blue), it probably won't be doing that. It's also not quite compatible with haste, but it works well with it. Playing a haste creature guarantees you can raid that turn.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:29
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If there's a cheap enough red creature w/ a good raid ability, we can have more RDW! Something like a 1/1 for 1 goblin that has raid: put a 1/1 red goblin token onto the battlefield under your control
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Aug 14, 2014 16:32
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For anyone who was still planning on  for the SDCC Planeswalkers they apparently went up and immediately sold out again a few minutes ago, so maybe they'll go up again after they cancel the double orders? 
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Aug 14, 2014 16:35
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suicidesteve posted:Raid is Kaalia, right? I can see it being used for some pretty cool stuff. Give a Raid creature flash and you've got a combat trick attached to a creature. Something like Raid: target creature gains First Strike, Lifelink, and Deathtouch until EOT. There will probably be at least one Angel, Dragon, or Demon that has raid, and if you put it onto the battlefield with Kaalia its raid will trigger.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:35
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Kabanaw posted:There will probably be at least one Angel, Dragon, or Demon that has raid, and if you put it onto the battlefield with Kaalia its raid will trigger. It's going to be a dragon. This strikes me as another setting without angels and demons aren't as popular as the other two tribes.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:38
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Ramos posted:I personally really like how Gisa and Geralf are written. Their relationship pretty much mimics a proper quarreling pair of children. Doing things differently than the other for the sake of being different and occasionally putting with each other because they have to. See, I don't follow any of this stuff, so outside of that context a blue dude making zombies out of the graveyard was really weird. It makes much more sense with the candy coating of backstory.
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Jon Joe posted:If there's a cheap enough red creature w/ a good raid ability, we can have more RDW! Something like a 1/1 for 1 goblin that has raid: put a 1/1 red goblin token onto the battlefield under your control So a better Mogg War Marshal. I like it.
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Ramos posted:It's going to be a dragon. This strikes me as another setting without angels and demons aren't as popular as the other two tribes. It depends on whether Raid sticks around for the other two sets. If it does, it will obviously show up on a dragon. If it doesn't, it can't, because this is the Here There Not Be Dragons set. I'd expect it to stick around because it seems like an easy mechanic to stick on a wide range of cards, but I also didn't expect only a single set of wedges, so who knows.
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Emerson Cod posted:Perfect amount of damage to take out a face-down creature - he's going to be a pretty high pick in limited. Thousand Winds is kind of meh, though if there are ways to turn up facedown creatures for cheaper or free I could see it being pretty nasty. 5/6 flier for 6 with upside is kind of meh? (I'm assuming you're talking about limited here)
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Ramos posted:It's definitely an idea, but since it isn't in the colors of flash (green and blue), it probably won't be doing that.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:See, I don't follow any of this stuff, so outside of that context a blue dude making zombies out of the graveyard was really weird. It makes much more sense with the candy coating of backstory.
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Jon Joe posted:If there's a cheap enough red creature w/ a good raid ability, we can have more RDW! Something like a 1/1 for 1 goblin that has raid: put a 1/1 red goblin token onto the battlefield under your control Maybe a pinger (or some other tap ability) that had Raid: this creature gains Haste until end of turn?
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Aug 14, 2014 16:48
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Zonekeeper posted:Maybe a pinger (or some other tap ability) that had Raid: this creature gains Haste until end of turn? That doesn't work because Raid looks like an ability that only activates if the creature with it comes onto the battlefield after you've attacked.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:53
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Count Bleck posted:That doesn't work because Raid looks like an ability that only activates if the creature with it comes onto the battlefield after you've attacked. It does work because then you could activate their ability the turn you summon them.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:53
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Something that gives you an extra combat phase would be cool though.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:56
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Chainsawdomy posted:Maybe Gisa made Geralf a messenger for his birthday. She sent him the Willy Wonka Golden Ticket via zombie messenger.
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ScarletBrother posted:It does work because then you could activate their ability the turn you summon them. Oh I read your statement wrong. So a duder with a tap ability and Raid: Get Haste. Okay, that seems workable.
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Elyv posted:5/6 flier for 6 with upside is kind of meh? Yeah, it's Mahaomti Djinn with an upside, and cards like that are typically very very good in limited.
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Allstone posted:White definitely gets flash creatures, and they tend to have etb effects, even. Right, fair enough, I forgot that. Still, the mechanic strikes me as encouraging attacking, not playing defensively, so it still doesn't seem all that likely to occur.
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One, I just need to mention what an excellent name Thousand Winds is. Two, people tend to view the P/T of a creature as an afterthought when evaluating them. Creatures with marginal or bad abilities (like Tavern Swindler) are viewed as trash even though its P/T make it completely playable. Besides, bouncing all tapped creatures is a really good ability because it can be used at instant speed.
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Ramos posted:Right, fair enough, I forgot that. Still, the mechanic strikes me as encouraging attacking, not playing defensively, so it still doesn't seem all that likely to occur.
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Kabanaw posted:One, I just need to mention what an excellent name Thousand Winds is. Yeah, Mahamoti Djinn beats face in limited, anything on top of the giant flying body is just gravy, and this looks like pretty good gravy.
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Allstone posted:I feel like it wouldn't be too out of place for white to get a bunch of aggressive raid etbs on flash creatures - there's nothing saying they need to be defensive; flashed in anthems on legs or granting first-strike etc. is something that wouldn't be out of colour, I don't think. In Alara we had mono-R and mono-U creatures with unearth as well as mono-U and mono-G creatures with exalted, so I'll be surprised if we don't see any mono-W or mono-B (or WB  ) creatures with raid.
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I just want an aggressively-costed raid reanimate.
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LordSaturn posted:I just want an aggressively-costed raid reanimate. raid is about ordering volunteers to fight rather than reanimating old soldiers
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I want a white Raid guy that untaps all your dudes.
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Count Bleck posted:Oh I read your statement wrong. Just stapling a tap ability onto the "Raid - ETB - ping" effect seems cleaner than putting haste on something that can't use that haste to attack. It would work that way, but seems confusing to newer people.
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I hope Raid is more than just an FTK effect when you attack with a guy. Thousand Winds is part of the Jeskai clan right? Can't remember their watermark right now.
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Kabanaw posted:One, I just need to mention what an excellent name Thousand Winds is. I see this all the time in limited formats. People won't play perfectly fine creatures because they have bad abilities. A 2/2 for 1G with the ability T: you lose 20 life is no different from a 2/2 for 1G in any format that doesn't have Mindslaver or Worst Fears. Mahamoti Djinn with an upside is at worst Mahamoti Djinn.
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neetengie posted:I hope Raid is more than just an FTK effect when you attack with a guy. Thousand Winds is part of the Jeskai clan right? Can't remember their watermark right now. It's Jeskai, yes.
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LaTex Fetish posted:raid is about ordering volunteers to fight rather than reanimating old soldiers We've seen a grand total of one raid card, and from that you're comfortable extrapolating the range of what it's allowed to do?
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:We've seen a grand total of one raid card, and from that you're comfortable extrapolating the range of what it's allowed to do? yes, because the name implies what it does: it wants you to put more and more creatures into play, turn them sideways, and rewards you for doing both.
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Welcome to Spoiler Season.
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I was actually pretty happy with raid because it let you get the effects off just one creature attacking, which works really well with white and black's propensity for champions (see exalted in M13) while still being essentially red.
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LaTex Fetish posted:yes, because the name implies what it does: it wants you to put more and more creatures into play, turn them sideways, and rewards you for doing both. Yeah, I don't see how a raid effect that reanimates a creature contradicts any of that? They could put it on like, a black rare, and it would make perfect sense.
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