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Junkie Disease posted:Gonna need help on that one the guy who wrote Chronicle why?
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redbackground posted:See the yellow box in the image I linked Holy crap, I've started tracking down Suicide Squad tie-in issues to finally bind the series (although I need to find a complete run of the series first), and I wasn't planning to include those. Now I probably will.
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Aug 14, 2014 01:06
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I remember as a kid not really following DC but getting a trade of the Death of Superman and it's kind of weird how most of it is all stand alone, except for a chunk in the middle focusing on the Justice League and "Bloodwynd."
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Before Landis did the drunken Superman thing I always referred to Doomsday as NotHulk and I'm kinda cheesed he made associated it with his PUA dickbaggery.
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Aug 14, 2014 02:24
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DC already had like 6 Hulk analogs at that point. The best part of Doomsday was his doozy of an origin that manages to jam around six different cliches into one ludicrous whole. You have an alien , who is genetically altered by a mad scientist and then sent to die repeatedly on an alien planet that just happens to be Supermans birthplace, so he's basically a kryptonian except not really. Then he kills his creator and manages to threaten Darkseid and force him to run away, so you know he's a real threat! Mister Nobody fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 11:05
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Doomsday was cool with me as a kid because all I'd read was the six or so issue DOSM trade, so he was just an unexplained angry leaping monster. e: Lex Luthor having long hair with Supergirl for a girlfriend who turned into a goopy alien when she was knocked out hurt my young brain, though. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 11:16
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It might be slightly premature, but Axis isn't exactly inspiring confidence. Fear...THE KLUH!
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Aug 14, 2014 11:47
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Teenage Fansub posted:Doomsday was cool with me as a kid because all I'd read was the six or so issue DOSM trade, so he was just an unexplained angry leaping monster. Ha, I completely forgot about the part where Doomsday hits Supergirl so hard she turns into silly putty.
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Aug 14, 2014 14:44
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muscles like this? posted:Ha, I completely forgot about the part where Doomsday hits Supergirl so hard she turns into silly putty. That version of Supergirl was a shapeshifting, telekinetic blob so that kind of thing happened to her from time to time. All events have this kind of problem, of course, since someone is always in the middle of playing with the status quo. Someday someone is going to read Our Worlds At War and wonder why Lex Luthor is the president.
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Aug 14, 2014 17:53
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Random Stranger posted:That version of Supergirl was a shapeshifting, telekinetic blob so that kind of thing happened to her from time to time. That's the one thing I really loved about Civil War. Daredevil was Danny Rand but they never gave it much focus so a new reader picking it up wouldn't even notice anything's off. The only real reference is a panel of Daredevil looking at and admiring a penny.
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Aug 14, 2014 18:03
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Did Cyborg Superman do anything really of note between Death and Sinestro Corps. War?
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Aug 15, 2014 02:49
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OldTennisCourt posted:Did Cyborg Superman do anything really of note between Death and Sinestro Corps. War? He got all red and taunted Hal until Parallax killed him in his Final Night oneshot.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:34
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Was Final Night a good event? I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk about it.
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Aug 15, 2014 15:24
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Starsnostars posted:Was Final Night a good event? I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk about it. It was OK if you wanted a Hal Jordan face turn
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Aug 15, 2014 15:52
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The Emerald Night tie-in where Hal turned face was pretty great.
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Aug 15, 2014 20:23
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Doomsday was originally billed as "an escapee from a Intergalactic Insane Asylum" which shows exactly how much thought they put into the character before writing Death of Superman. Then people who worked with mentally ill persons complained about this description in press releases and so they dropped that angle before the comics were published and this pops up in contemporary thinkpieces about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS RUN AMOK. Here's Mike Carlin from an interview that probably took place after the protest: Mike Carlin posted:"He is an unstoppable force. Some of us think he is a force of nature, some of us think he is man-made creation, some of us think he is an occult horror...." Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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Aug 15, 2014 22:45
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Could an argument be made that Knightfall started off as a classic Batman story and then went to absolute poo poo when Azrael went evil and became Techno-Batman? Also I forgot how loving humongous that event was.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Could an argument be made that Knightfall started off as a classic Batman story and then went to absolute poo poo when Azrael went evil and became Techno-Batman? Also I forgot how loving humongous that event was. No, 'cos Knightfall (and Knightquest) was amazing when I read it as a child, and still is amazing. Bruce Wayne relearning how to be Batman under Shiva is a fantastic idea. And then he has to fight like 7 differently armed ninjas, and a robo-Batman with flamethrowers. And he defeats him by getting him to strip off, and out alpha-male him. Knightfall, No Man's Land, JLA:Obsidian Age, JLA:Our Worlds At War - there was a period where DC were caning it with some* of their event books/extended story arcs. Hell, in Our Worlds at War, Superman throws himself into the Sun to give himself a massive power-boost so he can wrassle with Braniac. And there's a part where he starts to become all shell-shocked from flying around the world trying to stop the battles everywhere, and he becomes detached from his human nature. *OK, not Zero Hour Milotic fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 08:55
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Milotic posted:*OK, not Zero Hour Zero Hour resulted in the best Legion of Superheroes, which is also one of the best comic books ever, so it's fine by me.
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WickedHate posted:Zero Hour resulted in the best Legion of Superheroes, which is also one of the best comic books ever, so it's fine by me. LEGIONNAIRES was years before Zero Hour, bub.  OldTennisCourt posted:Could an argument be made that Knightfall started off as a classic Batman story and then went to absolute poo poo when Azrael went evil and became Techno-Batman? Also I forgot how loving humongous that event was. Pretty good. Armored Batman going batshit afterwards was kind of meh, though. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 17:39
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Azbats was definitely a dig against Xtreme 90's comics, though, from his story arc to his increasingly ridiculous costume. Batman defeating him to retake the title was a giant "gently caress you" to everyone who had pushed comics to be edgier during that time.
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Fuligin posted:I think Ultimatum wins just for being both the most pointless and the most offensively awful. Loeb should have been fired out of a cannon for producing that piece of poo poo. I'd have to agree. Possibly because I haven't read many DC comics, but out of all the Marvel events comics, I'd say it is absolutely up there for Most Pointless. It is the series that made me stop caring about the Ultimate Universe at all.
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Sep 14, 2014 10:53
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How many main characters did Ultimatum kill off? Two dozen?
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Sep 14, 2014 21:42
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Tracula posted:How many main characters did Ultimatum kill off? Two dozen? IIRC the line that got it worse was the X-Men.
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I think Ultimatum is indisputably the worst event ever, simply for how damaging it was to the entire line as a whole. Usually when a bad event does something stupid, it will usually get ignored or retconned later; because of the UU's "all deaths are permanent" rule, Ultimatum permanently stunted the growth of that line and limited what stories it could tell in the future (and reversing that rule would just hurt what made the UU unique). What really pisses me off about Ultimatum, far beyond anything that actually happened in it, is how much of a flagrant gently caress-you it was to other writers, all so Loeb could have a few pages of cheap shock value.
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Sep 14, 2014 23:46
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So I've been talking with this guy who thinks Civil War was loving amazing, mostly because he read it as it was coming out so he has this whole "you had to be there, maaaaan" attitude about it. I've been thinking about picking it up in trades, but goons seem to universally revile it. Is it worth revisiting?
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First Bass posted:So I've been talking with this guy who thinks Civil War was loving amazing, mostly because he read it as it was coming out so he has this whole "you had to be there, maaaaan" attitude about it. I've been thinking about picking it up in trades, but goons seem to universally revile it. Is it worth revisiting? It's at least decent if you read only the main series. It's still not "great", but the biggest problem is the writers not agreeing with each other, so at best the whole event is completely contradictory at best, and unsalvagable garbage at worst(coughFrontlinecough).
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HorseRenoir posted:I think Ultimatum is indisputably the worst event ever, simply for how damaging it was to the entire line as a whole. Usually when a bad event does something stupid, it will usually get ignored or retconned later; because of the UU's "all deaths are permanent" rule, Ultimatum permanently stunted the growth of that line and limited what stories it could tell in the future (and reversing that rule would just hurt what made the UU unique). What really pisses me off about Ultimatum, far beyond anything that actually happened in it, is how much of a flagrant gently caress-you it was to other writers, all so Loeb could have a few pages of cheap shock value. Would they really have to reverse the rule entirely to nuke Ultimatum from canon? Seems like it'd be pretty simple to have Ultimatum get reversed by some kind of time travel fuckery or something, but otherwise keep the rule intact, with the justification being pretty much what you said. e: that said, that would probably piss Loeb off really badly, and my understanding is he has (or at least had) some pull at Marvel.
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It might be better at this point to just try and develop new characters to replace the ones killed off instead of creating a precedent for time travel retcon fuckery if they've managed to avoid it so far. If Spider-man worked, maybe they can do more. I like the idea of introducing new permanent major characters or dramatically changing old ones permanently anyway, which is why the new Captain America/Ms. Marvel/Thor are a positive for me. Characters being in stasis for decades is eh.
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Sep 15, 2014 07:55
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All deaths are permanent except Gwen Stacy.
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Aphrodite posted:All deaths are permanent except Gwen Stacy. Bucky Barnes dude.
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Sep 15, 2014 13:39
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Aphrodite posted:All deaths are permanent except Gwen Stacy. And Osborne
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Parlett316 posted:Bucky Barnes dude. Ultimate Bucky never died.
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Aphrodite posted:All deaths are permanent except Gwen Stacy. Hammerhead, Beast, and Doom say hello.
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Sep 15, 2014 14:57
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It's too bad they'd already used the title Ultimate Mystery; it would've been a much better title for Ultimatum, because there's no bigger mystery than how nobody at Marvel received Loeb's scripts or plot outlines or whatever and thought, "Hold on a moment, are we sure about this? It's gonna mess up the entire publishing line!"
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bobkatt013 posted:Hammerhead, Beast, and Doom say hello. Well tell them to shut up because they're ruining the clever inversion.
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Aphrodite posted:Well tell them to shut up because they're ruining the clever inversion. It still doesn't technically work, because the "revived" Gwen is really just mode locked Carnage.
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WickedHate posted:It still doesn't technically work, because the "revived" Gwen is really just mode locked Carnage. That's not what Tony said.
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Actually, I've heard that Ultimatum was supposed to end with the Ultimate Universe getting rebooted so the deaths wouldn't have ended up mattering. That's why people were being killed left and right with no regard to the long run. Problem is that for some reason the reboot idea got dropped but they never changed the story so they essentially hosed the entire line up.
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As far as I understand, only Loeb wanted the reboot, and he didn't know poo poo about the running Ultimate titles, nor did he consult the creative teams of those books. It's just another one of his attempts to make a book That Matters so he can add it to his resume next time he tries to negotiate his salary on another hot title that someone better built up.
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