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Bigass Moth posted:The lengths people will go to avoid you as an invader are crazy. I had one guy in the aerie go to that little island you have to drop to on the zipline and chameleon himself. Right now, in the forest someone ran behind the King's Gate which I can't open or get to the other side of. Why??? This rules actually
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Bigass Moth posted:The lengths people will go to avoid you as an invader are crazy. I had one guy in the aerie go to that little island you have to drop to on the zipline and chameleon himself. Right now, in the forest someone ran behind the King's Gate which I can't open or get to the other side of. Why??? Someone please repost the video where the guy equips the royal soldier clothes and hides from invaders. Also, there are people who just don't want to PvP. They want to kill monsters and bad guys and be done with it without jerks interfering. Don't blame them because they don't want to give you a chance to kill them.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:11
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People are online because they want jolly cooperation, not the PvP. Besides, loving with invaders is the best form of PvP. gently caress killing you, I'm gonna make your day weirder.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:13
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I stayed until the timer ran out. It was kind of funny, but so weird because you're never far from a bonfire so dying to an invader isn't a big deal, especially in the newbie areas.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:16
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Ice Fist posted:Also, there are people who just don't want to PvP. They want to kill monsters and bad guys and be done with it without jerks interfering. Don't blame them because they don't want to give you a chance to kill them. I know this to be true, and it's why I super duper wish there was an item or a covenant or something that would let you invade people without the game broadcasting that you were an invader. Like that'd make winning 100 BoB duels worth the effort. Or, it'd be neat if they tried to adopt a positive reinforcement model that gave people an actual reason to want to stand and fight invaders rather than give them literally no reason to not just run directly back to the closest bonfire.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:27
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Ice Fist posted:Someone please repost the video where the guy equips the royal soldier clothes and hides from invaders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ecS0yKnNLA This one? Such a fun video. I love messing with invaders, especially repeat invaders by just dicking around in chameleon form. Prop hunting!
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Aug 14, 2014 21:29
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Wouldn't the indavee's health show up above their head?
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Aug 14, 2014 21:35
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Here's a great troll video. The last one is just evil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IG9afBRnzo
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Aug 14, 2014 21:37
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Stokes posted:Here's a great troll video. The last one is just evil. I'm never invaded by, or invade, people like this. 
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Aug 14, 2014 21:43
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Bigass Moth posted:I stayed until the timer ran out. It was kind of funny, but so weird because you're never far from a bonfire so dying to an invader isn't a big deal, especially in the newbie areas. Evidently they disagree. All's fair in invasions (except hacking, but what can you do), you're there to be a dick to them so it's well within their rights to do it to you. Hide and seek must be more fun than them just disconnecting or something.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:43
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Pretty much. You waste my human effigies, I waste your time!
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Aug 14, 2014 21:48
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Gonna stream more of my champion covenant Armstrong run in a few mins. http://hitbox.tv/LotusGramarye
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Aug 14, 2014 21:51
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Yeah I'm just getting sick of invading some guy in full havels who immedately runs to hide and when I find him he spams CSS and Dark Orb until I either die or manage a lucky lag kill.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:53
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Flytrap posted:People are online because they want jolly cooperation, not the PvP. I usually just throw myself off a cliff. I'd like PvP more if I could get the hang of the lag, but I've never been able to work with it. PvP should/could be a lot of fun, but the way it's presented makes it a drag for me.
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Aug 14, 2014 21:54
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I am under no obligation to be nice to people coming into my game with the intent of loving me over. Invaders are a pain in the loving rear end if you're a pure caster, especially in NG+. I spent a good 5+ minutes doing some Benny Hill poo poo with a guy in No Man's Wharf only for him to immediately kill me. Then apparently the server was completely empty because we invaded each other back and forth another three times on top of that and I got summarily killed every time, as invader and invadee.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:05
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Cainer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ecS0yKnNLA This one? Such a fun video. This video is easily one of the best videos of this game.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:20
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Bigass Moth posted:Yeah I'm just getting sick of invading some guy in full havels who immedately runs to hide and when I find him he spams CSS and Dark Orb until I either die or manage a lucky lag kill. As an invader you're literally there to poo poo up someone's experience. You have the advantage of (probably) having a build and weapons made for killing other players, and under normal circumstances you don't have to deal with jerk monsters. Jerk monsters that for a lot of bad players like me, are challenging without having an invader in the mix. If they decide to not engage you in honorabu duelz, they're completely justified in being cheesy and spending their time to waste yours. Since, in your best case, that'd be what you're doing to them.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:23
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Yeah, if you're an invader I really just don't have time for your poo poo. I get why people like doing it, but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion you're going to win and I can't be bothered to try and fight you legit with all the odds stacked against me. I'd rather just ditch off a cliff or disconnect. Any progress I've made is forfeit and the last thing I want to do is waste any more effort on a lost cause. Pvp as a duel would be okay because there's no outside monsters to tilt the balance and everyone involved is prepared and built properly - I still don't like it for the laggy poo poo but it's better than invasions, which are pretty much just "haha, you wanted to play the pve game, gently caress you scrub."
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Aug 14, 2014 22:33
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Stokes posted:Here's a great troll video. The last one is just evil. Siegmeyer dance party is inspired.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:36
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I love getting invaded, even moreso if the invader is a complete dirty rear end in a top hat, uses the most boring OP gear he has, hides behind mobs and shoots arrows, etc. E-honour is the worst thing about online gaming.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:37
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I'll respect 'e-honour' if they've clearly gotten the drop on me but hop backwards and do a bow/whatever, but otherwise it's fair game. I've nothing against disguising as a brazier and shooting magic into someone's back, so it's not very surprising when the same is done back.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:40
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I do waves and emotes not out of e-honor or anything but because it's fun to communicate in that limited form. I also throw tons of carvings and hold off on fighting if the other guy starts chucking them nonstop too. I could just go up and stab them while they're doing it but where's the fun in that?  I only really bow if I'm in the middle of a really good fight and get a chance to though.
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Aug 14, 2014 22:49
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Gregen posted:As an invader you're literally there to poo poo up someone's experience. You have the advantage of (probably) having a build and weapons made for killing other players, and under normal circumstances you don't have to deal with jerk monsters. Jerk monsters that for a lot of bad players like me, are challenging without having an invader in the mix. If they decide to not engage you in honorabu duelz, they're completely justified in being cheesy and spending their time to waste yours. Since, in your best case, that'd be what you're doing to them. There's no right or wrong way to play the game, if you want to turtle your way through singleplayer as a smelterhavel spammming dark orb and hiding behind havel shield it's your call. I guess an invader should expect to see something like that since it's the safest way to play the game. If I wanted honorable duels I'd do the dragon covenant on the bridge, but wasting cracked orbs time after time getting beaten down by havelmages gets old quick. Sorry if this comes off as whining, not my intention, but I am not exaggerating when I say I invaded roughly 50 times today and well over half of the people were wearing full havels with either the smelter or grym helmet and spamming magic. I guess I could change my style to cheese them but that's not how I personally want to play, so I suck up the losses and move on.
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Bigass Moth posted:There's no right or wrong way to play the game, if you want to turtle your way through singleplayer as a smelterhavel spammming dark orb and hiding behind havel shield it's your call. I guess an invader should expect to see something like that since it's the safest way to play the game. If I wanted honorable duels I'd do the dragon covenant on the bridge, but wasting cracked orbs time after time getting beaten down by havelmages gets old quick. So if you don't want to fight in even duels and you don't want to fight people who are uparmored, you're saying you want to invade people who have no chance of beating you. You see why it's hard to be sympathetic here, right?
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Aug 14, 2014 22:55
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That's like 90% of red phantoms right there.
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Inspector_666 posted:So if you don't want to fight in even duels and you don't want to fight people who are uparmored, you're saying you want to invade people who have no chance of beating you. I didn't say that at all though. It's frustrating to invade people who only use the best gear possible, it gets really samey quickly. No problem with their decision to do so.
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I've found the most fun kind of invasions are invading as blue cops because the opponent has a clue what he's doing. Sadly blue invasions are a pain to do. Red invasions only get fun when the white phantom armies dont camp next to the host and go after me.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:04
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Bigass Moth posted:I didn't say that at all though. It's frustrating to invade people who only use the best gear possible, it gets really samey quickly. No problem with their decision to do so. You're complaining that people aren't bringing knives to a gunfight. I need to rewatch The Untouchables. oldpainless fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 23:08
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oldpainless posted:You're complaining that people aren't bringing knives to a gunfight. I don't think that's what he's complaining about. He just wants more evenly matched fights without resorting to wearing jester/havel himself. I don't mind it myself that much, there are not many good players that wear whatever the best equipment at the time is. Rubellavator fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 23:18
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People are gonna try to win and wearing the best gear is what many will do whether or not its boring to an invader who has seen the same thing 10 times already. If I misread or misunderstood something, then my mistake. e: ah ok I get it now.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:23
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Stokes posted:Here's a great troll video. The last one is just evil. That last thing is delicious. It's just so unlikely, but the stars aligned perfectly. Also, I've legitimately never seen a Havelyn in all my invading, bell defending, Iron Bridge fight clubbing, and invaded-being. I did see a guy with a crossbow that shot infinite-damage insta-toxin rounds, but that just happened the one time.
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argondamn posted:I don't think that's what he's complaining about. He just wants more evenly matched fights without resorting to wearing jester/havel himself. Yes, I could wear full havels or jester or whatever and spam CSS and hexes and win 90% of fights but where's the fun in that? If someone else wants to do that, especially against an invader, then fine by me but I get bored wasting orbs fighting those guys every other invasion.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:34
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Minority Deport posted:That last thing is delicious. It's just so unlikely, but the stars aligned perfectly. Havelyn is a dead build, avelyns were nerfed so nobody uses it anymore, just like the recently extinct Helixodons.
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MooCowlian posted:Yeah, if you're an invader I really just don't have time for your poo poo. I get why people like doing it, but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion you're going to win and I can't be bothered to try and fight you legit with all the odds stacked against me. I'd rather just ditch off a cliff or disconnect. Any progress I've made is forfeit and the last thing I want to do is waste any more effort on a lost cause. Pvp as a duel would be okay because there's no outside monsters to tilt the balance and everyone involved is prepared and built properly - I still don't like it for the laggy poo poo but it's better than invasions, which are pretty much just "haha, you wanted to play the pve game, gently caress you scrub." Man I understand that you really feel this way, but that's like completely anathema to what the Souls experience is all about. What's the draw from the game for you if you're so averse to risk? I can't imagine that the story is super compelling and you're just in love with the narrative twists and turns. Seriously, if I found some particular mechanic of the game so frustrating that I felt like intentionally killing my own dude was better than dealing with said mechanic, I'd probably just stop playing that game.
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homeless poster posted:Man I understand that you really feel this way, but that's like completely anathema to what the Souls experience is all about. What's the draw from the game for you if you're so averse to risk? I can't imagine that the story is super compelling and you're just in love with the narrative twists and turns. Because it's one tiny mechanic that rarely actually pops up. Invasions aren't like half the game, it's like a sixth at best. Someone's irritation with one small part of the game isn't going to stop them from enjoying the rest of it. It's like asking 'you don't like the vs mode in Double Dragon? Why do you even play the game?' Flytrap fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 23:54
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argondamn posted:Havelyn is a dead build, avelyns were nerfed so nobody uses it anymore, just like the recently extinct Helixodons. All they need to do is re-nerf scimitar parries and things will probably be alright.
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Why did they un-nerf the Monastery Scimitar? Is that really how it's supposed to be?
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Praseodymi posted:Why did they un-nerf the Monastery Scimitar? Is that really how it's supposed to be? Probably. It is one of the hardest items to farm and is otherwise kinda poo poo as a weapon.
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Genocyber posted:Probably. It is one of the hardest items to farm and is otherwise kinda poo poo as a weapon. I got one the very first time I killed that phantom so clearly it's not rare.
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I mean sometimes I'll invade people but I never ever attack someone who is already occupied with PvE enemies because that is just a really cheap and lazy way to win. I've yet to have an invader extend me the same courtesy. I do sometimes try to ambush invasion targets with Chameleon though. Blue Orbs are pretty great though because you're always invading someone who has "opted in" to surprise PvP combat as opposed to harassing some poor newbie who isn't minmaxing their poo poo but just wants to get through the game at their own pace.
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