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Fans posted:Tasers are part of the Firearms Unit and don't usually go to regular cops though the MET are always a bit special and Northern Island has its own rules. If they're in a violent area they'll usually have CS spray, a stab vest and a baton. The Met only allow ARUs to have Tasers, multiple other forces allow ordinary plod to carry them. When the Home Office basically offered them for free to forces the Met's response was pretty much "Nah we don't trust our guys not to gently caress around with them" (obviously it was along the lines of "we think that it's best only firearms units carry them" but the implication was pretty clear). The interesting thing about this (and about the general state of arming the Police) is how few rank-and-file actually want anything more than a baton and a stab vest. The reasoning goes pretty much "Everything else is heavy and uncomfortable to carry around, is almost never used, and makes it more likely that things will get escalated rather than de-escalated". In London at least they're confident that backup is never going to be that far away and would way rather back off and rely on safety in numbers than dive in and risk getting hurt. What's instructive is to look at cases where officers have died in the course of their duty and basically with very rare exceptions (usually caused when they don't follow normal policy) nothing short of going in in full Who Dares Wins style to every single situation is likely to have saved their lives, and it's telling that it's forces in major cities who recognise this.
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Cerv posted:people who capitalise "MET" - what do you think this is an acronym for? MET Matrix obviously!!  goddamnedtwisto posted:The Met only allow ARUs to have Tasers, multiple other forces allow ordinary plod to carry them. When the Home Office basically offered them for free to forces the Met's response was pretty much "Nah we don't trust our guys not to gently caress around with them" (obviously it was along the lines of "we think that it's best only firearms units carry them" but the implication was pretty clear). Americans found this video insane "why didn't they shoot him".  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw Fluo fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 16:46
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I know YouTube is low hanging fruit, but the comments on that video...
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Fans posted:Some UK forces use PAVA, but CS is still used by plenty. No idea as to why exactly if PAVA has less nasty side effects, maybe its cheaper. Plus its a  incapacitating agent (and banned war gas), not like those foreign chili peppers taking away jobs from are hard working chemical weapons.
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Guavanaut posted:Maybe there was a deal made with whatever people got the contract from the nice folks at Porton Down to manufacture it? It doesn't even need to to be foreign chilli pepper growers, Devon/Dorset grows some of the worlds strongest chillis!  (I guess because it's quality over quantity type thing).
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Cerv posted:people who capitalise "MET" - what do you think this is an acronym for? Massive Evil Tossers?
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SybilVimes posted:it would simply increase the fissionable mass (which counter-productively will decrease the explosive yield) Can you elaborate on this? Kinda counter-intuitive.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Can you elaborate on this? Kinda counter-intuitive. Uranium's really loving heavy and will absorb a lot of energy in vaporising.
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Fluo posted:It doesn't even need to to be foreign chilli pepper growers, Devon/Dorset grows some of the worlds strongest chillis!  The stuff they use in PAVA spray is synthetic, and is also used as an artificial vanillin-based seasoning, but I've got no idea where it is produced or by who. CS is definitely one of Porton Down's innovations though.
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Guavanaut posted:I forgot about the Dorset Naga. Bloody foreign monsters, coming over here stealing jobs from good British cryptids.
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HortonNash posted:
I went to one of the largest state schools in Europe, in a deprived area of Glasgow, with the associated teenage pregnancy issue. When I left in the late 2000s, the only sex education I had had was that abortion was wrong, and that all anal sex immediately creates AIDS ex nihilo (as, I was taught, sperm is not designed to go in the anus, so it goes through the walls and eats your white blood cells), to which condoms offer limited protection. A classmate left thinking that a woman could only get pregnant by swallowing. I was, however, well-educated in the various deviancies of protestants. Wootcannon fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Mister Adequate posted:Bloody foreign monsters, coming over here stealing jobs from good British cryptids. One of my friends grows chilies and jokes that, when dried and ground, the result would be a chemical weapon.
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They do make some nice chillis around that area. I once ate a whole Dorset Naga for a bet and it was hell. Would definitely do it again
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Can you elaborate on this? Kinda counter-intuitive. http://youtu.be/5BHdsjo-NR4?t=11m58s Principle of getting a critical mass http://youtu.be/5BHdsjo-NR4?t=25m for how lenses in a plutonium explosion work If you're at all interested in nuclear physics / how nuclear weapons work / Why nuclear power != nuclear weapons I recommend you watch the whole lecture. The W88 warheads in Trident missiles also have a bunch of safety features installed to ensure that a detonation does not happen accidentally or without explicit authorisation - some of the unclassified features can be found here but as SybilVimes said if the top reason you can come up with for not maintaining a nuclear weapons program is 'what if Hiroshima happens accidentally' then you do not have anywhere near the understanding required to debate the topic and might as well join this paranoid goon who is closer with 'Putin has his finger on the button RIGHT NOW'.
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TinTower posted:One of my friends grows chilies and jokes that, when dried and ground, the result would be a chemical weapon. Him and everyone else who ever grew a chilli. I honestly can't think of a better use for the bloody things myself, mine are only about as hot as Cayenne (~1/20th as hot as Naga  ) but that's still strong enough to start edging past hot and into mild electrocution territory if you just shove a raw one in your face (PS don't do this).
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Even with a Scotch bonnet it feels like someone is cutting the back of your throat with a razor. I'd agree with the sentiment unless you're an idiot like me.
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TinTower posted:One of my friends grows chilies and jokes that, when dried and ground, the result would be a chemical weapon. They literally are a chemical weapon. The active ingredient that puts heat in food is capsaicin, which is used in pepper spray.
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Haha, I eat those things for fun. Once you get use to the pain the experience is quite enjoyable. Never touch your eyes as pouring yogurt is loving impossible.
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Also remember to wash your hands really well, preferably after scrubbing them with some sort of oil. Getting that stuff where you don't want it is going to make life hell depending on who or what you touch.
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Ddraig posted:Also remember to wash your hands really well, preferably after scrubbing them with some sort of oil. This is very, very important.
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David Cameron is an out of touch prick
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notaspy posted:Never touch your eyes as pouring yogurt is loving impossible.
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I have been to the toilet while cooking the "wrong" things in the past.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Him and everyone else who ever grew a chilli. I honestly can't think of a better use for the bloody things myself, mine are only about as hot as Cayenne (~1/20th as hot as Naga  My Trinidad Scorpion Butch T pepper. I use them in my chili with chipotle and hickory smoke. They're great! Jedit posted:They literally are a chemical weapon. The active ingredient that puts heat in food is capsaicin, which is used in pepper spray. You use to be able to buy pure capsaicin crystals (they're crystals in pure form), 16million on the SHU scale. It was great because with protective gloves you just wipe around a clean wok with it and it will give a very decent heat. But because if you hate the drat thing it'd kill you and it was very easy to be a moron and drop it in someones tea as a prank it was banned in the EU. Use to be able to buy from from chilli shops and amazon etc.  If you think that's crazy, Resin spurge, a cactus like plant in Morocco produces Resiniferatoxin. Which is 16 Billion on the SHU. 
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Bear shits in woods. Pope a Catholic.
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Fluo posted:
16 billion? Wouldn't that just kill someone incredibly quickly?
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Lord Twisted posted:16 billion? Wouldn't that just kill someone incredibly quickly? I think when the description includes the word toxin we have moved on from doing stupid stuff because its fun to just stop.
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Right lads it's time to invade  We can all put aside our differences over which is best flavour to tackle this abomination.
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glitchkrieg posted:Right lads it's time to invade Salted, I bet they have Paprika flavour too. Time to retake Calais!
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Brittany for the British! e: 
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Lord Twisted posted:16 billion? Wouldn't that just kill someone incredibly quickly? I may be wrong but with capsaicin does it not stop mattering after a certain level? Once you get over x units you're experiencing as much of an effect as your sense of taste allows, and adding more on top of that doesn't do a whole lot. So the difference between ten million scovilles and twenty million is probably a lot less noticeable than between ten and one million. Also I don't think it can actually kill you. It's an irritant but unless you were mainlining pure capsaicin into your arm you're unlikely to get any long term effects. That's kind of the whole reason they use it in pepper spray etc. Fluo posted:You use to be able to buy pure capsaicin crystals (they're crystals in pure form), 16million on the SHU scale. It was great because with protective gloves you just wipe around a clean wok with it and it will give a very decent heat. But because if you hate the drat thing it'd kill you and it was very easy to be a moron and drop it in someones tea as a prank it was banned in the EU. Ha, poo poo, I just read this. Would it actually be fatal if you just ate it? Or would it just make you very, very ill? ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Ha, poo poo, I just read this. Would it actually be fatal if you just ate it? Or would it just make you very, very ill? quote:The LD50 in mice is 47.2 mg/kg.[44][45]
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Where do you get your chipotles from Fluo? loving love me some chipotle.
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Bozza posted:Where do you get your chipotles from Fluo? loving love me some chipotle. Not sure where you are in the UK, but Waitrose seems to regularly stock dried chipotles. ASDA and Morrisons are also stocking a Mexican chipotle hot sauce called Chouila which is pretty decent too. Half a dozen shakes of that with chorizo pimps up beans on toast nicely.
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I'm pretty sure capsaicin has very minimal detrimental effects to your body, it just feels like it does. Birds can eat them no problem because they don't perceive it as a huge problem.
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Smoke604 posted:Not sure where you are in the UK, but Waitrose seems to regularly stock dried chipotles. ASDA and Morrisons are also stocking a Mexican chipotle hot sauce called Chouila which is pretty decent too. Half a dozen shakes of that with chorizo pimps up beans on toast nicely. Sainsbury's sell it in little jars too, in the same areas as umami paste and the like.
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Ddraig posted:I'm pretty sure capsaicin has very minimal detrimental effects to your body, it just feels like it does. Birds can eat them no problem because they don't perceive it as a huge problem. I think birds lack the receptors, so don't respond to it. The thing to bear in mind is that it's the dose that makes the poison, so there will be an amount that kills, but it's probably far in excess of what you could actually eat (barring an asthma attack or a fountainous ebola-like bout of bloody diarrhea).
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Ddraig posted:I'm pretty sure capsaicin has very minimal detrimental effects to your body, it just feels like it does. Birds can eat them no problem because they don't perceive it as a huge problem. Apparently this is actually the reason spicy peppers exist. Birds are much better at dispersing seeds than mammals so the spiciness evolved to stop us fuckers from eating them.
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KKKlean Energy posted:UKMT: A fountainous ebola-like bout of bloody diarrhea  This is the UK megathread, after all
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