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DoLittle posted:That's just some photoshop special commissioned by the magazine. No photos have been published/leaked from Fiat/Alfa. If I had to guest, I would say more boost as I've heard that this twice-blown V6 is some sort of "Ferrari-sourced" engine, whatever that means. Anyway, Ferrari seems to be on a bit of kick using lower-displacement engines with turbos; the Cali T and upcoming 458t are evidence of that. Oh by the way, the 458t has +100 hp on the regular 458 and gently caress knows how much more torque: http://youwheel.com/tag/ferrari-458t/
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Everybody is going to smaller displacement turbo engines except, for some reason, the japanese. I guess the japanese just don't understand turbo technology 
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Obviously, seeing as they havent made a single turbo motor yet that was any good.
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OFFICER 13 INCH posted:Obviously, seeing as they havent made a single turbo motor yet that was any good.
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ilkhan posted:What was the last good single turbo engine the Japanese made? Mazdaspeed 3 and Subaru has a couple...
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Powershift posted:It's on the same platform as the lincoln MKC, which uses the 2.3 ecoboost out of the mustang, and is awd. There's a black MKC that parks near me occasionally, and every time I see it all I can think is that it looks like a prop from a Marilyn Manson music video circa 2001.
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:Mazdaspeed 3 Dont those have a habit of grenading themselves?
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D C posted:Dont those have a habit of grenading themselves? This is the first I've heard of this. But, early models are getting up there in mileage, so maybe the  crowd has been destroying them with cheap mods.
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You may be thinking of the Mazdaspeed Protege. edit: Also, something about a joke.
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D C posted:Dont those have a habit of grenading themselves? Only if poorly modded.
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OFFICER 13 INCH posted:Obviously, seeing as they havent made a single turbo motor yet that was any good. This ones quite zippy, seems to be flying over a lot of heads 
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It's all part of their plan to become the new GM/Dodge. Flash forward 2027: the entire C level of Honda and Toyota commit ritual suicide after the Japanese parliament votes to bailout their bloated inefficient too big to fail car company. In the note signed by all the executives there is a single word: Shouri Edit: Mazda is ford. Accepts no buyouts and makes great hot hatches.
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Xguard86 posted:It's all part of their plan to become the new GM/Dodge. Can't wait for the 700hp supercharged honda.
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Powershift posted:Can't wait for the 700hp supercharged honda. Probably not, but the 300 hp turbocharged Civic Type R is certainly on its way just not to North America! It's like they learned nothing from Nissan's success with the GT-R. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/85978/honda-civic-type-r-2015-price-release-date-and-specs The rest of us will just have to be content with that engine showing up in an S2000 replacement that's possibly mid-engined. http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-mulling-s2000-replacement-that-would-be-nothing-like-the-original/
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:Probably not, but the 300 hp turbocharged Civic Type R is certainly on its way just not to North America! It's like they learned nothing from Nissan's success with the GT-R. That'll go great with the new NSX which is going to be an accord platform backwards, and coming out some time in 2009.
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CharlesM posted:You may be thinking of the Mazdaspeed Protege. I'll have you know that the 2003 Mazdaspeed Protege has the finest engine technology that 1984 can provide.
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Extra posted:Is there a federal mandate that all new cars must have really obnoxious lower/fog light housings that are ugly as sin? Or do the vast majority of consumers just have such poo poo taste that those are somehow attractive to them. But the Veloster looks stupid as hell. My wife and I laugh at them every time we see one.
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I expect many people are tired of Hellcat Chat, but I did find this  Torque News posted:Motor Trend took the 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat with the new heavy duty 8-speed TorqueFlite automatic transmission to K&N Engineering’s dyno in Riverside California to see how true the power numbers are for this brawny Mopar muscle car. With stated figures of 707 horsepower and 650lb-ft of torque, the Hellcat Hemi makes the Challenger (and the Charger) the most powerful American production car ever while also ranking 6th when compared to every other current production car in the world so with claims like that – you know that someone would be getting a Hellcat powered Challenger to the dyno in a hurry. 
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Aren't most press cars ringers anyway, specifically to get this kind of extra hype when they get put though their paces? Impressive none the less. Even still, I am really happy that thing exists. Whoever said that the golden years of muscle cars are over, needs to raise their eyes from the morning newspaper. Just wow.
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I can't wait to go to muscle car shows in 30 years and so my children can hear about sennet hunnert horsepower and breaking the tires loose in 6th BACK IN THE DAY
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I think the "it blew them away" is a bit of a bold statement considering "the industry norm" assumption of 15% drivetrain loss. Maybe they could have used a dyno where they measure the drivetrain loss. If it's a 10% loss it would be right on the money.
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DoLittle posted:I think the "it blew them away" is a bit of a bold statement considering "the industry norm" assumption of 15% drivetrain loss. Maybe they could have used a dyno where they measure the drivetrain loss. If it's a 10% loss it would be right on the money. Honest question - how would you even be able to do that without removing the engine?
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El Scotch posted:I expect many people are tired of Hellcat Chat, but I did find this The SL65 actually has more torque than that despite being limited. Then again, it also costs something like 180k sooooo
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IOwnCalculus posted:Honest question - how would you even be able to do that without removing the engine? By measuring the torque during coast down with clutch disengaged. It is not perfect, because loading on the gears and tyres is different under load and during coast down, but much much better than "industry standard 15%". Just changing the tyre pressure causes a significant change in the drivetrain loss.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Honest question - how would you even be able to do that without removing the engine? No way to do that that I know of. Unless you could measure input shaft torsion to the trans. Or maybe trans and diff temperature differentials and extrapolate.
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The 2013 GT500 was dynoed at 595hp and 603 ft/lb to the wheels, granted that was a manual transmission car and different dyno, different day, etc. i don't think the 15% drivetrain loss is reasonable when you get up into those power numbers.
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Extra posted:Is there a federal mandate that all new cars must have really obnoxious lower/fog light housings that are ugly as sin? Or do the vast majority of consumers just have such poo poo taste that those are somehow attractive to them. That's a Hyundai problem though. Honda could move Civic Type R's no problem based on their past history
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Powershift posted:The 2013 GT500 was dynoed at 595hp and 603 ft/lb to the wheels, granted that was a manual transmission car and different dyno, different day, etc. Yeah, the 15% rule never made much sense. The drag from a drive train is fixed, regardless of the power the engine makes. If you supercharge a car, the drive train doesn't magically become heavier and take more energy to power. edit:spelling oRenj9 fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Aug 21, 2014 |
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Extra posted:Considering the veloster has only sold 17K units this year and 30k the past 2 years I don't blame them. I'm guessing it would sell better in markets where performance modifications to old cars weren't so widely legal and encouraged. Note that spoilered part I had there - the CTR is p-much Honda's Skyline GT-R. Something that was never sold in North America for which fervent demand exists and yet was unavailable. In other words, this: Nodoze posted:That's a Hyundai problem though. Honda could move Civic Type R's no problem based on their past history
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:Something that was never sold in North America for which fervent demand exists and yet was unavailable. Everyone who ever says "I'd buy that if it were sold here!" never actually does, or buys it when it's on the used market. Automakers have learned not to trust a bunch of people on the internet and instead look at actual sales data instead of losing their rear end to appease a select few who actually put their money where their mouth is.
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:Note that spoilered part I had there - the CTR is p-much Honda's Skyline GT-R. Something that was never sold in North America for which fervent demand exists and yet was unavailable. Demand among 17 year old kids is not the same thing as sales.
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Larrymer posted:Everyone who ever says "I'd buy that if it were sold here!" never actually does, or buys it when it's on the used market. Automakers have learned not to trust a bunch of people on the internet and instead look at actual sales data instead of losing their rear end to appease a select few who actually put their money where their mouth is. Well by the time the car makes it here it's usually overpriced for its market and watered down in some way compared to what the rest of the globe gets.
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Coredump posted:Well by the time the car makes it here it's usually overpriced for its market and watered down in some way compared to what the rest of the globe gets. That's because the rest of the globe pays a whole lot more for cars than we do in the US and has often has way less variety, which makes a $40k-equivalent Honda Civic somewhat less ridiculous.
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Cream_Filling do you like replying to my posts?
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oRenj9 posted:Yeah, the 15% rule never made much since. The drag from a drive train is fixed, regardless of the power the engine makes. If you supercharge a car, the drive train doesn't magically become heavier and take more energy to power. I'm not sure if it's right but I always assumed it was from frictional losses from gear meshing. An engine making 1000lbft of force is going to be applying 10x more load to the gear faces than an engine with 100lbft. Given that gears are sliding past eachother, you'd also see 10x more force required to slide the gears faces past eachother.
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oRenj9 posted:Yeah, the 15% rule never made much since. The drag from a drive train is fixed, regardless of the power the engine makes. If you supercharge a car, the drive train doesn't magically become heavier and take more energy to power. This article goes through the various reasons why that line of reasoning is flawed, and makes a good argument as to what actually goes into consideration when thinking of drivetrain losses. It's a pretty short article so it's worth the read. http://www.modified.com/tech/modp-1005-drivetrain-power-loss/viewall.html
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I thought supercharges increased loss because it's using power to generate more power. Which, conceptually, I find really interesting.
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Larrymer posted:Everyone who ever says "I'd buy that if it were sold here!" never actually does, or buys it when it's on the used market. Automakers have learned not to trust a bunch of people on the internet and instead look at actual sales data instead of losing their rear end to appease a select few who actually put their money where their mouth is. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Demand among 17 year old kids is not the same thing as sales. Has Nissan had trouble moving GT-R's? As a closer corollary, does VW have trouble moving the Golf R? Why would a CTR be that much more difficult?
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