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Orkin Mang posted:So what is negative gearing, and what are these superannuation tax concessions I keep seeing allusions to Investor welfare
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Aug 19, 2014 06:02
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Endman posted:Welfare is bad because it robs the wretched masses of their impetus to rise up, murder the ruling class and institute a better welfare state. Endman sighed as he lead the chorus of 'La Marseillaise'
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Aug 19, 2014 06:02
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Nibbles! posted:I think high density housing is one of those things that's just going to take time to sell. Residents are the ones who complain currently; years down the track when it's their inheriting kids looking to cash in and pressures from people as there's just no more housing it's going to go down much easier. This is one of the problems I have with the Greens  Lots of opposition to increased density. Some of it is fair, since the density is coming without increases in services like water or public transport, but some of it is just straight up NIMBYism. The opposition to high-rise development in Newcastle is a good example.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:05
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Quantum Mechanic posted:This is one of the problems I have with the Greens Matt Cowgill has written some good stuff about this. I agree.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:11
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My local greens are up in arms about the mergers of local councils in the Western Suburbs (read super rich) of Perth. These ratepayers paid for this particular building why should it now go to these people instead? Managing to completely miss that people move in and out of suburbs all the time, and that most of the councils are too small and inefficient and that guys, we really have bigger fish to fry. I tend to just :endman: and tune out.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:11
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Quantum Mechanic posted:This is one of the problems I have with the Greens That's good to hear coming from a candidate. I have a problem with local govt Greens for the same reason. Good quality denser housing around rail corridors makes sense. If we can get somewhere with high speed rail and the NBN it can make sense reaching further in to the countryside also.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:12
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hooman posted:Endman sighed as he lead the chorus of 'La Marseillaise' There'd be no sighing if that were the case. Still, you've got to admit there's a point to be made there. Welfare is kept just low enough to prevent mobility and innovation from the lower classes, yet high enough to encourage complacency and, when combined with a media narrative describing its recipients as the "undeserving poor", marginalise people by consuming them with their own shame. Brilliant tool for social engineering really. Not that I'm saying social engineering is a bad thing. It can be used positively to great effect.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:15
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You can be against high rises without being against density. I used to think that skyscrapers were necessary for a dense city until I went to Paris. Six storeys is enough. [edit: I'm not against skyscrapers, but if people are that doesn't mean density is impossible to achieve.]
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Aug 19, 2014 06:22
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Welfare isn't really high enough for complacency, you can't live on the dole. Welfare kicking is always the unemployed, *my* welfare is the ok stuff. We know from the last enquiry that pensioners are the largest rorters of the system, but when did you last hear a peep about it?
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Aug 19, 2014 06:23
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I'd say it is high enough to encourage the sort of complacency that springs from the sentiment that you're "getting enough" out of the system. It may not actually be enough to live off when you really do the maths, but the overwhelming public sentiment, even among recipients of unemployment benefits, is that it is more than enough. Enough anyway to feel shame for being on the dole. I know I've been in that situation myself, feeling ashamed that I have to ask for money from the government because I'm too weak to earn for myself. It all combines to form a narrative that keeps unemployment welfare recipients under the proverbial thumb.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:29
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The shame in the Centrelink office on reporting day is so palpable you'd have trouble cutting it with a breadknife.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:30
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Aug 19, 2014 06:39
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Quantum Mechanic posted:This is one of the problems I have with the Greens I'd like more density there, but building a 19 storey building in front of the Cathedral is a bit loving poo poo.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:42
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Endman posted:There'd be no sighing if that were the case. I don't disagree with you at all. It's there to keep the proles down so we don't rise up and eat the rich. It's just the rich seem to lose sight of that frequently, or that most of their riches come from poors buying their stuff with the money the rich pay them. Seriously, why are the captains of industry so bad at understanding what an economy is.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:43
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hooman posted:I don't disagree with you at all. It's there to keep the proles down so we don't rise up and eat the rich. It's just the rich seem to lose sight of that frequently, or that most of their riches come from poors buying their stuff with the money the rich pay them. Privilege.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:45
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Quantum Mechanic posted:The opposition to high-rise development in Newcastle is a good example. http://www.minesub.nsw.gov.au/templates/mine_subsidence_board.aspx?pageID=3758
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Aug 19, 2014 06:52
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We need to double the size of our military to prevent a Chinese invasion and our grandchildren being slaves, said Senator Jacqui Lambe.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:02
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I'd like more density there, but building a 19 storey building in front of the Cathedral is a bit loving poo poo. Cartoon posted:Newcastle actually is a special case. The whole of the city area is multiply undermined and nobody can predict the effect that this will have on foundations should there be another earthquake. They tried to do some development in Swansea and the whole site fell away as they were excavating. These are both true, but I know better than to believe the same opposition wouldn't be around if they were six-storey heritage-styled buildings on a perfect foundation.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:03
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Gough Suppressant posted:We need to double the size of our military to prevent a Chinese invasion and our grandchildren being slaves, said Fixed that for you. Every time I hear the name "Jacqui Lambie", I see in my minds eye, that footage of her getting excited about the carbon tax repeal going through and I die a little inside.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:22
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Bompacho posted:Fixed that for you. ¿Porque no los dos?
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Aug 19, 2014 07:25
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Bompacho posted:Fixed that for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQivPDyEr3Y THANKS PUP *dont read the comments*
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Aug 19, 2014 07:27
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Anidav posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQivPDyEr3Y hoooorrrraayyyyyyyyyy!!!!! kudos to the right minded people of australia....you have gained your freedom and kicked those no good money junkies who wants to rob you of your wealth. with credible science on your back and good people who made this senseless money milking ponzy scheme of the globalist thrown in the waste basket where it should be in the first place....australia 1, money junkies, globalist 0. australia now, tommorrow the world....More power to you. EDIT: Next time someone wants to buy me a custom title that supports something horrible can you please append: "edging towards suicide, one youtube comment at a time."
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Aug 19, 2014 07:41
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Jacqui Lambie: Australia's answer to Sarah Palin
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Aug 19, 2014 08:00
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open24hours posted:You can be against high rises without being against density. I used to think that skyscrapers were necessary for a dense city until I went to Paris. Six storeys is enough. I was the same, massively pro-skyscrapers until I visited some wonderfully dense places in Europe that were only 4-7 stories. Really, why do apartments need to be so small? If you stack 7 'normal' Australian sized houses on top of each other you've just increased density by 7x and everyone has the same living space. Obviously I don't literally want to do this - imagine all those faux arches and garages suspended in the sky - but it's frustrating that in Australia you can either have a large house in the suburbs or a tiny apartment in the cities, anything else and you can gently caress off we're full m8 Sorry I'm not sure what point I was making here.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:01
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CrazyTolradi posted:Jacqui Lambie: Australia's answer to Sarah Palin That's pretty unfair on Jacqui Lambie, who seems to be a very well intentioned person who doesn't understand some things very well and lacks some image management. She calls a spade a spade and is very critical on policies which she can recognise as not being good for the people who elected her. Sarah Palin was a carefully crafted mouthpiece used to sell lies to the american public on behalf of big business.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:09
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Clive where the gently caress is my Titanic 2.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:22
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Useless but interesting polls GhostWhoVotes @GhostWhoVotes 51s #Essential Poll If Senate blocks most of Budget what should Govt do: A new Budget 38 Call election 43 #auspol #Essential Poll Is Federal Budget good or bad for Aust jobs: Good 21 Bad 49 #auspol #Essential Poll Is economy headed in right or wrong direction: Right 35 (-4) Wrong 41 (+7) #auspol
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Aug 19, 2014 08:34
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Haha, I love the Australian Public, they sit there twiddling their thumbs with a big red button labelled "WRONG" then proceed to watch the Federal Government and wait for a reason to slam the button and put on sunglasses.
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Aug 19, 2014 08:43
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Australia is dumb baby and doesn't know what it want or what good for it
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Aug 19, 2014 08:44
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Anidav posted:Haha, I love the Australian Public, they sit there twiddling their thumbs with a big red button labelled "WRONG" then proceed to watch the Federal Government and wait for a reason to slam the button and put on sunglasses. Things Australians Hate: Carbon tax Repealing carbon tax Good relations with Indonesia Bad relations with Indonesia Cuts Deficits Not enough infrastructure Infrastructure spending Privatising public assets Govt. run businesses Welfare Starving poors/veterans/pensioners Destroying workers rights Unions Dodgy business practices Red tape
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Aug 19, 2014 09:00
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Haters Objector posted:Australia is dumb baby and doesn't know what it want or what good for it Current Liberal rhetoric.
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my stepdads beer posted:I was the same, massively pro-skyscrapers until I visited some wonderfully dense places in Europe that were only 4-7 stories. Really, why do apartments need to be so small? If you stack 7 'normal' Australian sized houses on top of each other you've just increased density by 7x and everyone has the same living space. Obviously I don't literally want to do this - imagine all those faux arches and garages suspended in the sky - but it's frustrating that in Australia you can either have a large house in the suburbs or a tiny apartment in the cities, anything else and you can gently caress off we're full m8 How to fit more density into an area without going full skyscraper is something that I've thought about a bit this year. When I moved to Australia, I moved to the Surfers Paradise area which is built up of very expensive high rises casting a shadow over very run-down and low-rent single floor side-by-side units. Then I moved to Perth for two years and god drat. The only places to live in most areas of Perth were literal honest to god houses <in> the city. I was 3 km from the city centre in a 3 bedroom house with a back yard and a front yard, not because I needed any of these things but because there really wasn't any other options available (add to this a rather massive competition for housing; to any open house I attended there were at least 20 attendees and the only way that I was successful in securing the house that I got was to be THAT GUY who offered an extra $40 per week over the advertised price). I've since moved back to the Gold Coast and I don't know if it's because the northern GC suburbs are a newer area than the rest of the city or because it's zoned differently but the whole of Biggera Waters/runaway bay/part of Labrador are units stacked 3-4 high. It's a really good compromise; the density here is quite thick but the 4 story homes don't feel imposing or unfriendly (like in Surfers), they're inexpensive (300 per week is paying for a 2 bedroom unit on the beach with a private jetty in a complex with two pools and other luxuries) and the proximity of everything to everything means that everyone is sharing space on the canals and beach. It's really livible and it's the only place in Australia I've seen this particular density of housing.
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Aug 19, 2014 09:02
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Holy poo poo, PNG has made arrests of G4S employees for the murder of Reza Berati. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/19/manus-unrest-two-guards-charged-murder-reza-barati
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Aug 19, 2014 09:10
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hooman posted:Holy poo poo, Private industry produces the most efficient murderers.
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hooman posted:That's pretty unfair on Jacqui Lambie, who seems to be a very well intentioned person who doesn't understand some things very well and lacks some image management. She calls a spade a spade and is very critical on policies which she can recognise as not being good for the people who elected her. Jacqui Lambie is well intentioned, she just doesn't want us overrun by the chinese hordes and forced into slavery. An entirely understandable position. Like you are seriously going to try and paint someone who has stood for every party which would take her as being some kind of principled well intentioned person? Gough Suppressant fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 09:24
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Aug 19, 2014 09:27
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Gough Suppressant posted:Like you are seriously going to try and paint someone who has stood for every party which would take her as being some kind of principled well intentioned person? This. She supports whatever policies are polling well, for as long as it's polling well.
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Aug 19, 2014 09:30
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Gough Suppressant posted:Jacqui Lambie is well intentioned, she just doesn't want us overrun by the chinese hordes and forced into slavery. An entirely understandable position. Are you going to seriously call her as bad as Palin? Or as any member of the liberal party? Principled is a relative term here... She may be a weathervane, but that's not as terrible as just being bad all the time.
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hooman posted:Are you going to seriously call her as bad as Palin? Or as any member of the liberal party? Principled is a relative term here... She tried to join the liberals! So yes, she is as bad as any member of the liberal party.
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