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Number19
May 14, 2003

HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH


I was running my build and capture routine today and ran into this:

http://ardamis.com/2014/06/12/microsoft-security-update-kb2965788-requires-multiple-restarts/

I normally get around this poo poo by using offline servicing to apply the update that causes multiple reboots. Unfortunately, it seems that offline servicing determines that this update is not required and won't install it. It does become required somehow during the build and capture routine though. The funny thing is if I run the routine without that update and then go and try to apply the update using offline servicing on the captured image, it installs. This all makes sense because...uh...Microsoft? :shepface:

I get why it is marked as not applicable then becomes applicable later but nonetheless come the gently caress on Microsoft. Either fix SCCM so these updates don't break task sequences or fix the updates so they don't break SCCM. These updates are like landmines in the updates catalog that you have to be careful of lest you run into one and waste hours of your time.

I need a drink.

FYI: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2894518 is a good link to have on hand as a list of lovely updates that cause this issue.

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Demie
Apr 2, 2004
One of the main tricks to working with SCCM is to recognize the things it's supposed to do, but can't, and work around them accordingly.

The best way to avoid the double update problem is to make a separate server with its own MDT install, and make your B&C task sequences with MDT. That is the cleaner and better way to build images, and it will load every applicable update on the WSUS reliably, and the multiple reboot bug doesn't affect it.

Number19
May 14, 2003

HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH


I work around them by offline servicing them in which has the benefit of making the build and capture routine a lot faster

This one is just an oddball where it relies on a previous update. That previous update is a one of those "pending reboot" ones where it doesn't fully apply until after Windows has booted.

I got around it by removing that one update from the BnC group and then offline servicing it in after the BnC had run.

I really should start using MDT though.

THF13
Sep 26, 2007

Keep an adversary in the dark about what you're capable of, and he has to assume the worst.
Anti virus license at my current company is going to expire next month and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a corporate anti virus? Need something with remote administration, approximately 150 licenses. We're 100% Windows 7. Currently using AVG which has been fine, just curious if there's something better (for approximately the same price).

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
ESET

Thalagyrt
Aug 10, 2006


Yeah, ESET.

Cpt.Wacky
Apr 17, 2005

Thalagyrt posted:

Yeah, ESET.

Thirding ESET. We've been on it for years with no problems.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

I'm a big Sophos fan, but for only 150 seats I would go ESET as well.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost

Number19 posted:

I was running my build and capture routine today and ran into this:

http://ardamis.com/2014/06/12/microsoft-security-update-kb2965788-requires-multiple-restarts/

I normally get around this poo poo by using offline servicing to apply the update that causes multiple reboots. Unfortunately, it seems that offline servicing determines that this update is not required and won't install it. It does become required somehow during the build and capture routine though. The funny thing is if I run the routine without that update and then go and try to apply the update using offline servicing on the captured image, it installs. This all makes sense because...uh...Microsoft? :shepface:

I get why it is marked as not applicable then becomes applicable later but nonetheless come the gently caress on Microsoft. Either fix SCCM so these updates don't break task sequences or fix the updates so they don't break SCCM. These updates are like landmines in the updates catalog that you have to be careful of lest you run into one and waste hours of your time.

I need a drink.

FYI: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2894518 is a good link to have on hand as a list of lovely updates that cause this issue.

You can't do those updates with "Apply Updates" but you can wrap them up in a package and put them onto the machine with "Install Package" if you select "Installer reboots the computer on its own".

Number19
May 14, 2003

HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH


peak debt posted:

You can't do those updates with "Apply Updates" but you can wrap them up in a package and put them onto the machine with "Install Package" if you select "Installer reboots the computer on its own".

Since I had to pull them out of the update group anyways I just left it out of the build and capture update group and offline serviced them into the built image. I've also made a note to check KB2894518 every time I do a BnC to find any of these trouble updates and pull them from the BnC update group.

It's just annoying in the long run but that's part of administering Enterprise Microsoft stuff.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost
Has anyone implemented a proper Word macro signing solution in their domain? I've looked around but there doesn't seem to be a Microsoft step-for-step guide, or best practices FAQ for that.

As far as I've seen:
- The default setting is that both unsigned and signed macros pop up a warning, then execute if you confirm that warning.
- You can set a group policy to run every macro, unsigned or signed, automatically. Aka the bend me over setting.
- You can set a group policy to never run an unsigned macro and pop up a warning for signed ones.

What you notably cannot do is set a policy to never run unsigned macros and always run signed ones.

We have a shitload of macro enabled word documents, so disabling them isn't an option. Forcing people to constantly click on confirm prompts isn't going to be a popular decision, and it's not like conditioning users to automatically click on "Enable" 200 times a day is going to do positive things to security anyway.

I'm kind of wondering what to do here...

PUBLIC TOILET
Jun 13, 2009

peak debt posted:

Has anyone implemented a proper Word macro signing solution in their domain? I've looked around but there doesn't seem to be a Microsoft step-for-step guide, or best practices FAQ for that.

As far as I've seen:
- The default setting is that both unsigned and signed macros pop up a warning, then execute if you confirm that warning.
- You can set a group policy to run every macro, unsigned or signed, automatically. Aka the bend me over setting.
- You can set a group policy to never run an unsigned macro and pop up a warning for signed ones.

What you notably cannot do is set a policy to never run unsigned macros and always run signed ones.

We have a shitload of macro enabled word documents, so disabling them isn't an option. Forcing people to constantly click on confirm prompts isn't going to be a popular decision, and it's not like conditioning users to automatically click on "Enable" 200 times a day is going to do positive things to security anyway.

I'm kind of wondering what to do here...

Yeah not too sure on that one. I went with the "bend me over setting" to be perfectly honest because of the sheer amount of applications in use at our company. A lot of them are applications that are tightly integrated with Excel/VBS scripting. The one thing we've recently been using GPO for though is to add new Trusted Locations for Excel & Word via a .reg file that points to an HKCU modification. Basically we locate the users in ADUC that need this change, add them to a custom ADUC group, then tell GPO to apply the .reg file to any user that's a member of that ADUC group. This way when the end-user logs in to any domain PC, GPO applies the modification to HKCU upon logging in. Don't know if that gives you any ideas, but that might work for you if you want to go that route. Obviously you would need to know what your Trusted Locations should be for those macros.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost
I tried the Trusted Locations thingy too. Unfortunately it takes precedence over macro signing so if you add the standard file drive to the trusted locations, and somebody saves an unsigned macro there, it runs, even if you have the group policy "Only run signed macros" activated. What happened to deny over allow, Microsoft :mad:

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid
Moving to Win 8.1 soon. What's the easiest way to customize the start menu for the end user? I basically want to just add the Office 2013 icons.. it doesn't look like I can just drag it into a folder during deployment..

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

lol internet. posted:

Moving to Win 8.1 soon. What's the easiest way to customize the start menu for the end user? I basically want to just add the Office 2013 icons.. it doesn't look like I can just drag it into a folder during deployment..

Howabout with a GPO?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn467928.aspx

Here is another link that details how to export the xml of a Start screen that you setup perfectly:

http://www.grouppolicy.biz/2013/06/customising-windows-8-1-start-screen-layout-with-group-policy/

This one is really good too:

http://stealthpuppy.com/customizing-the-windows-8-1-start-screen-dont-follow-microsofts-guidance/

GreenNight fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Aug 14, 2014

CISADMIN PRIVILEGE
Aug 15, 2004

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I have a server 2012 vm that throws a bunch of weird errors in the windows event log when the unitrends backup box tells vcenter 5.5 to take a snapshot so it can do a backup of the VM.

See below for the errors.
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mi...ernalId=2006849

Basically the fix seems to be to migrate the disks from MBR to GPT. If it wasn't a pretty non standard server and we hadn't already eaten a bunch of consultant time doing the install of the LOB tools I'd just nuke and start over. Since it's a sql server it has two virtual disks on the system drive is on RAID1 and the DB drive RAID 10 both internal sas 10K drives.

It looks like I could take a bare metal backup of the server using the unitrends box and restore it to GPT disks using the unitrends unit or I could pick up the server version of this partition tool http://www.disk-partition.com/compare-edition.html (server ed)

I have no problem dropping $ 140 on the tool because doing it automated is much cheaper than wasting a bunch of time. I just want to make sure that it's not something that will lead to poo poo later down the line. FWIW the VMDK's are thick provisioned eager zeroed.

Number19
May 14, 2003

HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH


Just in case anyone missed it, there's a bad batch of Windows Updates this month:

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-2975331-248582

They have the potential to get machines stuck in a bluescreen loop so be sure to back them out if you've already approved them for install.

CISADMIN PRIVILEGE
Aug 15, 2004

optimized multichannel
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With regards to my earlier question is it possible to convert a windows server 2012 vm (ESX 5.5) with an MBR boot volume to a GPT boot volume?

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid
Testing SCCM 2012 R2 for Window 8.1 with the install.wim

Once it applies the install.wim all it does is add drivers, reboot and I get a blank screen. Anyone run into this problem before?

I'm wondering if it has to do with the computer not set to use UEFI or something. (Testing on a pre-win8 machine as I don't have one handy at the moment.)

Number19
May 14, 2003

HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH


What graphics card is in the system? If it doesn't have an EFI option ROM then you'll need to enable the legacy video support option in the UEFI setup

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid

Number19 posted:

What graphics card is in the system? If it doesn't have an EFI option ROM then you'll need to enable the legacy video support option in the UEFI setup

It's built in intel video. I'll check the BIOS setting.

Thanks!

Demie
Apr 2, 2004

lol internet. posted:

Testing SCCM 2012 R2 for Window 8.1 with the install.wim

Once it applies the install.wim all it does is add drivers, reboot and I get a blank screen. Anyone run into this problem before?

I'm wondering if it has to do with the computer not set to use UEFI or something. (Testing on a pre-win8 machine as I don't have one handy at the moment.)

this can happen when you image while secureboot is turned on, check on that.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

That's almost exactly it. I have to turn SecureBoot off on any Windows 8.1 machines that I'm going to image.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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CISADMIN PRIVILEGE posted:

With regards to my earlier question is it possible to convert a windows server 2012 vm (ESX 5.5) with an MBR boot volume to a GPT boot volume?

I dont think so. Full data migration appears to be the only solutions, or the fancy software. The only way to convert will purge all the data on the volume.

Swink
Apr 18, 2006
Left Side <--- Many Whelps
Anyone using DSC in production yet? I feel it's very much a 1.0 and prob won't be in enterprises for a few years.

It is super interesting. Especially for someone who hasn't played with puppet.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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So just so i'm on the same page with windows 8. My example: I have a dell box with 8. Can I reimage with a 8.1 Dell cd OR do I have to use the 8 cd, and download through the store for my installs.

Frozen Peach
Aug 25, 2004

garbage man from a garbage can
My boss just told me he got a call from Microsoft Licensing and we're being audited. I have no idea what the best way is to prepare for this, or what to expect. I've never had to deal with an audit before. I assumed we were too small for Microsoft to worry about coming after us.

Not that I'm afraid we're out of compliance, because I'm pretty good about making sure we have licenses for anything we install.

Some information on our network that might help with advice giving:

* We're almost entirely virtualized from a server standpoint, with 2 VMware vSphere hosts running anything that Microsoft would be worried about.
* We run 2 Active Directory domain servers each on a different VM Host
* Almost all of our Windows Servers and Workstations are on the domain. There are a few exceptions of stand alone servers that aren't connected to the domain, but they're all on one of the two VM Hosts
* We do run a few full SQL Server instances. As far as I know those should be legit, though since we've rebuilt those VMs from scratch a few times I'm not 100% certain unique license keys were used, despite the fact that we do have valid licenses. Only one of those servers is in production, the other is just for staging and testing. No idea if that makes a difference or not.
* We use ManageEngine ServiceDesk Plus for helpdesk and asset tracking, and mostly keep it up to date.
* ServiceDesk reports 120 total workstations/servers,

Has anyone here gone through an audit that can give some tips and advice?

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Does asset tracking mean software licensing? If not, you can spin up a copy of spiceworks and let it do the inventory.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Frozen-Solid posted:

My boss just told me he got a call from Microsoft Licensing and we're being audited. I have no idea what the best way is to prepare for this, or what to expect. I've never had to deal with an audit before. I assumed we were too small for Microsoft to worry about coming after us.

Not to start a witch hunt, but got any current or recently-departed disgruntled employees? An audit out of the blue on a small company is often kicked off by a report.

For actual helpful advice, make sure you are not running MSDN or Action Pack licenses in production. Those are the biggest gotchas I've encountered in small business. Some joker thinks "I can license the entire MS ecosystem for $300?!?!? :circlefap:" and doesn't read the fine print. Then before you know it you're running more production SQL Server instances off Action Pack licenses than you can possibly afford to buy legitimately and there's no way out.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Any of you used SSL certificates to encrypt a SQL Server 2012/2014 connection? I'm about to go postal on this drat thing.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost
We use IPSEC, it seems weird to do your encryption on layer 5 if you can do it on layer 3...

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




peak debt posted:

We use IPSEC, it seems weird to do your encryption on layer 5 if you can do it on layer 3...

We don't use IPSEC at all here, not my idea :(

Zaepho
Oct 31, 2013

Frozen-Solid posted:

Has anyone here gone through an audit that can give some tips and advice?

Might be worth checking out the MAP tool to try to see what it comes up with for licensing information. I BELIEVE this is what they may start with in the audit anyway.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/solutionaccelerators/dd537566.aspx


On the good side, one of our customers got audited and thought they were going to be hosed to the tune of a couple million in SQL licenses, but it turned out they were actually over licensed and dropped the size of their SA renewal in retaliation for the audit.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Does microsoft even "care" about their customers when it comes to stuff like that? Oops we bad, here is a sweeheart deal.

peak debt
Mar 11, 2001
b& :(
Nap Ghost
They'd probably argue that if you had millions for software licensing you should be able to afford to hire a licensing specialist for a week every year...

Zaepho
Oct 31, 2013

incoherent posted:

Does microsoft even "care" about their customers when it comes to stuff like that? Oops we bad, here is a sweeheart deal.

It's a back and forth thing with them apparently. Microsoft is also a customer of the Auditee (to the tune of 70+mil/year) and I suspect they were trying to even up the score a little bit.

Frozen Peach
Aug 25, 2004

garbage man from a garbage can

Docjowles posted:

Not to start a witch hunt, but got any current or recently-departed disgruntled employees? An audit out of the blue on a small company is often kicked off by a report.

We're a 5 person IT team. We've only had 2 people leave since I started here 6 years ago, and both were and still are on good terms. They left for better paying jobs, not for being treated like poo poo here. Both of them were 3+ years ago now.

incoherent posted:

Does asset tracking mean software licensing? If not, you can spin up a copy of spiceworks and let it do the inventory.

ManageEngine does everything that Spiceworks does. It's not quite as pretty, but it gets the job done and is more powerful from a helpdesk perspective. We've only ever used it for inventory and helpdesk tickets, but it has licensing capabilities. We've just never done anything with the licensing.

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid

Frozen-Solid posted:

Has anyone here gone through an audit that can give some tips and advice?

My place had it done like 3 months ago.

It was done through a third party. Basically they give you a list of what you're licensed for in an excel sheet. You agree or disagree with it, if you feel you have more, you provide them with the PO\vendor information on which it was purchased. They then update their excel sheet and send it to you for the total count of licenses you have.

I think they wanted to put an appliance onsite but we said no, so they just asked us to do a count on what we had through SCCM.

So we ended up being short like 20k worth of licenses, we made an order with our vendor, and sent the PO to them. The auditors, confirmed the license was purchased and said see you in 3 years. It's not that bad, but someones going to get some crap from finance if the amount is a lot.

In our case, it was the old IT department, so it was out of our control.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Since Server 2003 leaves extended support in July 2015, does anyone know if that applies to the 2003 domain functional level? Like, if I had a bunch of 2012R2 domain controllers running at the 2003 functional level do I need to raise the functional level before July or risk problems?

Any reason to not go hog-wild and jump all the way up to 2012R2?

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hihifellow
Jun 17, 2005

seriously where the fuck did this genre come from

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Any reason to not go hog-wild and jump all the way up to 2012R2?

No. Raising the domain functional level doesn't change* anything, just enables features on the DCs that wouldn't work with older DCs.

*okay it does but it's like switching ovens, you put dough in and you'll always get cookies out

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