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Rent-A-Cop posted:It hurts, it makes it tough to see, you gag a lot. It is not incapacitating. Seriously every one of these pussy rear end coward cops who can't just take a stabbing like a man gets sprayed in the face, shoots a target, and then wrestles a guy to the ground as part of training. And they are obviously huge coward girlymen so regular people could probably do even better. man look at superman here, i but rent-a-cop could walk through clouds of teargas while being tased without a hitch
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Ron Jeremy posted:Also why were the cops in lunging distance of a guy with a knife. Maybe they were trying to talk him down. Or maybe they were just putting themselves in "kill range" for a justified shooting.
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Frosted Flake posted:Is that how American police see tazers?? In Canada, tazers and less-lethal weapons are an alternative to firearms, and not to force compliance. Hitting someone with enough electricity to stop their heart, because they are "defiant" is an institutional failure of policing. Tazers aren't harmless.
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Flectarn posted:you sound a bit too whiny to be a cop.
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Internet Webguy posted:All it takes for goons to side with a fascist police state is the likelihood of an officer getting cut with a knife. I think you have to realize like I did a few pages back some people just want to debate, even if they don't agree. Like if you just read it you'll catch on, it goes from one assumption to the entire polar opposite assumption. He may have been harmless and mentally challenged cutting up hams for homeless children. He could have been a trained ninja aiming for arteries. Fact is it happened. As to this escalating violence this one doesn't work simply due to the knife, it's unrelated but it does give reason as to why this shouldn't be happening any longer. I mean he had a knife but no one said he was a member of the protests or anything, if anything this being international news has caused it more harm then good.
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Frosted Flake posted:Is that how American police see tazers?? In Canada, tazers and less-lethal weapons are an alternative to firearms, and not to force compliance. I watched my cousin get tased on his birthday. It was after midnight, some people from his birthday party drove to the store for more beer, the state police pulled them over about 2 houses down on their way back. He walked over (drunk) to the cop car to see what was going on they told him to stay in his yard, he kept walking towards them, they asked him again, he kept walking, they pulled out a taser, he kept walking, they fired the taser, and it put him down. They threw him in the car and let him out in the morning.
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HE4T posted:Multiple ways to look at a situation but unless you are there in their shoes stop calling them murderers and other sensationalist buzzwords. But the poster you quoted hasn't called them murderers or other sensationalist buzzwords.
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zen death robot posted:Since a knife is several orders of magnitude less dangerous than a gun I don't think this is true when it comes to self defense.
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Aug 19, 2014 20:59
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Muscle Tracer posted:Neither do suburban cops like Darren Wilson Neither do, let's just say, the two cops who managed to kill a mentally ill man with a knife. I love how "crazy dude with a knife" got turned into "A GANG OF HEAVILY ARMED THUGS" in an attempt to justify this poo poo.
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Aug 19, 2014 21:00
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If a cop has both a gun and a taser he could confuse the two.
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McDowell posted:If a cop has both a gun and a taser he could confuse the two. This has happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Taser_confusion
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Aug 19, 2014 21:01
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McDowell posted:If a cop has both a gun and a taser he could confuse the two. And then only be convicted of involuntary manslaughter when he executes someone instead of just torturing them!
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McDowell posted:If a cop has both a gun and a taser he could confuse the two. not if he was trained properly.
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McDowell posted:If a cop has both a gun and a taser he could confuse the two. This was the excuse used when an officer shot and killed a dude on the subway in California. E: F;B
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HE4T posted:but was approaching within feet of officers wielding a knife in a manner suggesting he was going to try and stabb them. You trust your 1 shot tazer or gun in this situation? a cop is literally never justified in using lethal force unless he is already dead, hope this helps.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm not a cop. I'm not even a kindergarten teacher. Don't worry, I didn't think you were a cop either. fknlo posted:I don't think this is true when it comes to self defense. No, I'm pretty sure you an objectively make a statement that a gun is more dangerous than a knife in pretty much every circumstance. Even at close quarters, I'd say a handgun is more dangerous than a knife, given an equal level of skill in both opponents. Now, if you have a highly trained knife fighter versus an average citizen, the odds would change. Similarly, if you have a crazy person with a knife versus a skilled marksman who has undergone hours and hours of training, the gun would still be more dangerous I think you get my poit
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fknlo posted:I don't think this is true when it comes to self defense. yeah, ever since they nerfed guns back in the 5th edition
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Cuntpunch posted:I love how "crazy dude with a knife" got turned into "A GANG OF HEAVILY ARMED THUGS" in an attempt to justify this poo poo. Except it didn't and doesn't have to. If the guy was that close and was coming in like he was about to stab someone, that's pretty solid justification in itself, unless you expect them to wait for the knife to go in before they consider this a serious situation.
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Internet Webguy posted:Wouldn't this actually increase their popularity among the police? Or are they specifically reserved for old white people? No more specifically obease people that might already have heart conditions due to years of eating Cheetos and mountain dew 6 packs everyday. This way they can eliminate them from the gene pool and enable the NWO conspiracy for population control and have the one true leader Alex Jones take charge of America.
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Pead posted:But the poster you quoted hasn't called them murderers or other sensationalist buzzwords. I do have a problem with officers belligerently creating situations where deadly force is "justified". Like this officer who was never charged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et8J8sUNa3c 8 seconds between the officer's first verbal command and shots fired.
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HE4T posted:No more specifically obease people that might already have heart conditions due to years of eating Cheetos and mountain dew 6 packs everyday. This way they can eliminate them from the gene pool and enable the NWO conspiracy for population control and have the one true leader Alex Jones take charge of America. poo poo, you mean everyone on this forum is being profiled?
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Internet Webguy posted:This was the excuse used when an officer shot and killed a dude on the subway in California. I know, I was referencing the Oscar Grant case. Beyond dash and body cams are gunsight cameras a possibility? It could be mounted on the side or underneath the muzzle and be set up to take a bunch of shots when the trigger is pulled. I would imagine vibration/heat/muzzle flash would cause some issues though.
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McDowell posted:I know, I was referencing the Oscar Grant case. I mean I guess you could but why bother. 
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Fox News is currently running pieces about looting and crying over it all. THE REAL VICTIMS ARE THOSE BOTTLES OF BOOZE THAT GOT STOLEN!!
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HE4T posted:No more specifically obease people that might already have heart conditions due to years of eating Cheetos and mountain dew 6 packs everyday. This way they can eliminate them from the gene pool and enable the NWO conspiracy for population control and have the one true leader Alex Jones take charge of America. lol wtf are you talking about you flailing retard?
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Yardbomb posted:Except it didn't and doesn't have to. If the guy was that close and was coming in like he was about to stab someone, that's pretty solid justification in itself, unless you expect them to wait for the knife to go in before they consider this a serious situation. PuTTY riot posted:a cop is literally never justified in using lethal force unless he is already dead, hope this helps.
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Officers shooting a man coming at them w/ a knife might be understandable in a vacuum. This is not a vacuum. In the context of ridiculous militarization, zero trigger discipline, and generally insane response the police, it stands out as yet another thing the cops are doing wrong. They seriously need to clear the Keystone Cops completely out and arrest Wilson.
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I agree, the only good cop IS a dead cop.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Fox News is currently running pieces about looting and crying over it all. I think it's pretty hosed up how the police stood in riot/swat gear by and watched as looters destroyed the livelihoods of those business owners, actually.
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PuTTY riot posted:a cop is literally never justified in using lethal force unless he is already dead, hope this helps. this but etc. 
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PuTTY riot posted:I think it's pretty hosed up how the police stood in riot/swat gear by and watched as looters destroyed the livelihoods of those business owners, actually. I don't actually disagree with that. Sums up how hosed up the police presence has been as a whole during the whole thing.
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Petey posted:They seriously need to clear the Keystone Cops completely out and arrest Wilson. This would end the protests instantly. But it would also set a precedent of some semblance of legal accountability for murdering people, which is why they can't allow it.
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Maybe we can compromise somehow. Like, what if all cops need to get one of their eyes removed and replaced with a camera-eye. But the camera eye is also a laser pointer that they are allowed to use to permanently blind suspects. This seems really fair actually.
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Petey posted:Officers shooting a man coming at them w/ a knife might be understandable in a vacuum. This is not a vacuum. In the context of ridiculous militarization, zero trigger discipline, and generally insane response the police, it stands out as yet another thing the cops are doing wrong. This is a different PD, but I agree all of Ferguson PD deserves to be taken down
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Lawman 0 posted:I mean I guess you could but why bother. One cop argument is that 'a camera doesn't tell the whole story' but multiple cameras capturing an incident at multiple angles defeat that. A camera-equipped gun as standard issue would be even harder to tamper with than a dash or body cam. Covering up the lens would be obvious fuckery.
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Berke Negri posted:This is a different PD, but I agree all of Ferguson PD deserves to be taken down i think anyone w/ half a brain agrees w/ this.
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McDowell posted:A camera-equipped gun does this even exist? woudl the officer have to remember to charge his gun every night?
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Slanderer posted:Maybe we can compromise somehow. Like, what if all cops need to get one of their eyes removed and replaced with a camera-eye. But the camera eye is also a laser pointer that they are allowed to use to permanently blind suspects. and awesome
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bassguitarhero posted:This would end the protests instantly. But it would also set a precedent of some semblance of legal accountability for murdering people, which is why they can't allow it. You mean arrest him before multiple independent investigations are completed? Drama much?
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bassguitarhero posted:This would end the protests instantly. But it would also set a precedent of some semblance of legal accountability for murdering people, which is why they can't allow it. You are paranoid and delusional.
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