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Mango Polo posted:Codex Grey Knights is the ultimate proof that GW will nerf existing units just so that they can sell their lovely new 3D-designed hot garbage models with overpowered rules. Wouldn't that require them to have a new model coming with the book?
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Post 9-11 User posted:Is that a CHALLENGE? Those rule and if you think otherwise you have objectively bad taste.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:10
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Victory needs no explanation. Gary Morley allows none.
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That one guy's just prancing around with his chainaxe.  At least these were replaced relatively quickly with the current plastic set.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:15
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Safety Factor posted:That one guy's just prancing around with his chainaxe.
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Post 9-11 User posted:When I got Eldar bikes years ago I replaced the torsos and heads with contemporary Guardian bits. The god's of chaos have blessed us all with useless hands!
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Aug 19, 2014 17:26
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New GKs seem...awful. Psybolts were a bit too strong, but they also added some flavor and could have just been adjusted. Looks like the new book banks entirely on the strength of its psykers and psyker defense, and very cheap, powerful artifacts (35-point 12-inch fearless bubble with additional benefits? CSM pay almost that much for fearless on a single, much weaker unit). I have two friends with paladin-themed armies that will be horrified, though. I was glad that Dark Eldar is coming soon, but now I'm getting second thoughts. I'd give even odds that they'll go "Skimmers and jetbikes are bunk. You know what Eldar should do? Spam our expensive finecast Wracks. Forever!".
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Aug 19, 2014 17:26
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ChrisAsmadi posted:Wouldn't that require them to have a new model coming with the book? That's the joke. I messaged a friend about the codex, and his reply was to ask specifically which units got nerfed and replaced by new kits. Seems like people still think GW's designers are capable of such advanced tricks.
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Sephyr posted:New GKs seem...awful. Psybolts were a bit too strong, but they also added some flavor and could have just been adjusted. Looks like the new book banks entirely on the strength of its psykers and psyker defense, and very cheap, powerful artifacts (35-point 12-inch fearless bubble with additional benefits? CSM pay almost that much for fearless on a single, much weaker unit). So, paladins lose objective secured... they can still score, are still tough as nails and now get cheaper FNP. If you want to you can still run an all paladin force as unbound. And, if you really want those models to be objective secured you can just use them as regular terminators. And psyboltt was stupid and incredibly frustrating to play against; the fact that you could make a pair of twin linked autocannons str 8 for 5 points was pretty ludicrous. It's become clear that force org manipulation is out... which, honestly, is not a big deal because everything scores now and you can take whatever models you like in an unbound army or across multiple CADs. Cataphract fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 17:43
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I'm disappointed they didn't at least make a plastic terminator Librarian for the GK. He looks so out of place.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:45
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Cataphract posted:And psyboltt was stupid and incredibly frustrating to play against; the fact that you could make a pair of twin linked autocannons str 8 for 5 points was pretty ludicrous. As a Tyranid player who got constantly stomped by Grey Knights when the last codex came out, this pleases me. Apparently Perils on Mindstrike missiles is also gone, which was the biggest gently caress You after gobs of crazy cheap S8 shooting.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:55
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Psilencers having Force is pretty cool, I gotta say.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Psilencers having Force is pretty cool, I gotta say. Yeah, I totally didn't see ranged Force weapons coming but I have to say I like it. It's a neat new option they snuck in there.
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If Paladins got cheaper, a ML3 Terminator librarian + a 5 man squad of them with an Apothecary might be a nice support unit to have backfield or Deep Striking in on top of a Teleport Homer drop pod.
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Cataphract posted:So, paladins lose objective secured... they can still score, are still tough as nails and now get cheaper FNP. If you want to you can still run an all paladin force as unbound. And, if you really want those models to be objective secured you can just use them as regular terminators. This. Plus it looks like they're set to dominate the psychic phase. So now I'm thinking about how to work some sort of psychic defense into my Necrons, and maybe actually using psykers with my IG after being repeatedly stomped by psychic forces and having none of my own. I still think Grey Knights are cool. I liked the models for the actual Grey Knights themselves the most, and wasn't too fond of all the small squads of henchmen and stuff that would get used instead of them. Especially since when I ran into it, it was just sort of like playing a slightly more proficient IG force. You can still do pretty much all the same things by using allies. Flood the board with a cheap platoon or two of naked gaurdsmen (maybe krak grenades for if an MC charges them) for holding objectives and just use your Grey Knights to do the actual fighting. That said, I understand the frustration of having to buy a new book that takes out half your units or changes the way you used to play. Edit: The last time I played against Grey Knights the guy had three land radiers. Two with paladins and I think Draigo, and one with Coteaz and some death cult assassins. After their lascannons wrecked my Vanquisher Russ' I didn't really have anything but volume of fire to try and take them out. The guy used his now impenetrable Land Raiders to block off LOS and the Paladins to stomp all over whatever units he wanted/block objectives. It was really effective, but would have been a totally different game had my dice not abandoned me on turn one. gently caress you dice, gently caress you and all your god damned ones and twos. Sir Teabag fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Are there actually no new Grey Knight models being released? That seems a little weird but I haven't followed 40K in quite awhile. I was thinking of getting back into 40k with my small force of GK(5 troops, 5 terminators and a dreadnaught), whats the overall consensus on the new edition and the new GK codex?
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The renegade gt in Minneapolis this fall has put out their faq. It states that a weapons firing arc applies to vertical as well as horizontal. This essentially means that hull mounted weapons in flyers have a minimum range when shooting at infantry. For vendettas, this is about 19 inches for their lascannons. It also means that Helldrakes can't fire at anything smaller than a monstrous creature because 12 inches out it's still 4 inches up. I think this is a terrible ruling. Any one else seen someone try to argue this?
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Cataphract posted:So, paladins lose objective secured... they can still score, are still tough as nails and now get cheaper FNP. If you want to you can still run an all paladin force as unbound. Shame on him for having a legal army. Good thing we have unbound so we can sugar coat GWs poo poo game design and poo poo business practices.
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Master Twig posted:The renegade gt in Minneapolis this fall has put out their faq. It states that a weapons firing arc applies to vertical as well as horizontal. It was the same ruling as last year.  BTW my team is totes going again. Too bad it's at Fantasy Flight. The venue last year was way cooler.
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With Grey Knights that leaves only a few codexes left, anyone think it's possible with the release schedule that by the end of the year ALL 40k Codexes will be finished and published then next year Fantasy get's redone , GW just releases new models Data slates and supplements. Anyone have the Assassin Dataslate ? How is that? Also what's a cheap alternative for Zombie models ? I just bought Typhus and with my extra Helbrutes plan on running a Typhus Zombie Mech Horde. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 20:56
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Naramyth posted:It was the same ruling as last year. Glad to hear you're going. I'd love to get a game in against you, even if it's not as part of the tourney. Fantasy flight is great for me since it's fifteen minutes from home.
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BULBASAUR posted:Shame on him for having a legal army. Good thing we have unbound so we can sugar coat GWs poo poo game design and poo poo business practices. Look buddy, so what if this codex costs more and has less/worse content, just use unbound it's fine. It's fine and cool, use unbound. Summon 1000 daemons it's fine. Unbound it's fine. Unbound. It's fine. It's. Fine.
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I used Unbound on my anal sphincter and shat all over my local GW store. Secure THAT objective motherfucker!
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I think I'm going to run an Imperial Knights army made entirely of Zaku II model kits.
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GW is really pushing unbound it seems with more stricter primaries, blah Unbound. I seriously think that by the end of the year we will have all codexes be either 6th or 7th edition. I think Dark Eldar Necrons Sisters?? Blood Angels Dark Angels? Blood Angels and Death Angels would be a cool double book thing.
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*shoves 10k dice up my butt and runs to back to the GW store* PSYCHIC PHASE BITCH! *farts dice everywhere*
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Hollismason posted:GW is really pushing unbound it seems with more stricter primaries, blah Unbound.
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Master Twig posted:Glad to hear you're going. I'd love to get a game in against you, even if it's not as part of the tourney. Fantasy flight is great for me since it's fifteen minutes from home. Goon meet up! You can find out exactly how much of a fucker I am off the forums.  We are going to the Feast of Blades invitational that is hosted there at the end of the month. The tourney isn't until Sunday so I could totally get a game in with you on Saturday (assuming I'm not in food coma from the fair.  )
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About how tall are Knights? Need to know what grade Zakus to use.
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Hollismason posted:GW is really pushing unbound it seems with more stricter primaries, blah Unbound. 4 codices in the 3 remaining months when they already have Vampire Counts/Nagash stuff coming out isn't gonna happen. Put December aside for Hobbit stuff too.
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CODChimera posted:Are there actually no new Grey Knight models being released? That seems a little weird but I haven't followed 40K in quite awhile. Was wondering the same thing. Can the dude who's got codex confirm?
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Naramyth posted:Goon meet up! You can find out exactly how much of a fucker I am off the forums. Sadly, I work weekends. Working late Saturday. Using vacation time for Renegade. Edit: unless it's the 30th. I'm off at six that day and could make that work. Master Twig fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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SRM posted:4 codices in the 3 remaining months when they already have Vampire Counts/Nagash stuff coming out isn't gonna happen. Put December aside for Hobbit stuff too. You know I'll take that bet, not actually betting anything other than I think this will happen. Here's how I see it September - Dark Eldar October or November - Blood Angels December - Necrons All codexes by the end of the year. Next year weekly releases on Dataslates , Supplements , figures etc.. Quick Publish rules to Quick Publish Figures.
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Moola posted:Look buddy, so what if this codex costs more and has less/worse content, just use unbound it's fine. Listen HERE friend, we all know it's incredibly hard and super expensive for GW to make things like new models or competent business decisions. The brilliance of unbound is that, for the first time ever, anything GW does can easily be justified away with no additional effort on GWs part to actually make a good product.
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Master Twig posted:Sadly, I work weekends. Working late Saturday. Using vacation time for Renegade. It is the 30th! I'll PM you my contact info. Nothing is set in stone yet for Saturday other then we are going to be there but my lady friend probably isn't coming now so my Saturday is much more open, especially if the team goes to the fair early.
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Originally posted in the models thread: Working on my first army(Ultramarines) and the online painting tutorials on youtube and such have been a godsend. I've been going off a few channels since they have pretty comprehensive and easy to follow painting tutorials for Ultramarines. I'm pretty happy with my results so far having painted 3 tactical Marine squads, and a terminator squad. That being said I am moving on to my HQ Librarian. I had planned on using the following tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtmqojKrLvE Now this isn't the first one I've followed where I don't have the exact paints to what the creator is using, and normally I don't get to hung up on using a slightly different shade of blue/red/whatever, but I am not sure if anything I have in my range is a suitable replacement for Zandri Dust in this example. I have been going White Scar White for my Marine tabards so far, but I am not sure if that would look out of place on this particular model. Might anyone have any recommendations on what else they might use to paint the tabard on this model? Some colors I currently own are: White Scar White, Ulthuan Grey, Rhinox Hide, Skrag Brown, Cadian Fleshtone, and Kislev Flesh. I've even considered just going with something completely different such as painting it Warpstone Glow, but I am hesitant to jump in and I find out I hate the way it looks, especially on a model where the tabard/robe is so prominent.
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Looked it up myself. Seems I'd be using 1/100 Zakus. Even at MG, that's a fair bit cheaper than the Warhams models. Perfect.
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Hollismason posted:
It's not out yet. edit: LOL they're charging more for digital copies than print now. gently caress. Fix fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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BULBASAUR posted:Listen HERE friend, we all know it's incredibly hard and super expensive for GW to make things like new models or competent business decisions. The brilliance of unbound is that, for the first time ever, anything GW does can easily be justified away with no additional effort on GWs part to actually make a good product. Hey PAL, I agree with you here, why would they need to bother making anymore good products, and competent business decisions when unbound already exist?! They've already hit their magnum opus! With the power of Unbound the world is your oyster; just the other day I took a bus into town, realised I forgot my phone, all I needed to do was utter the word "Unbound", and there my phone was in my hand. I get a message and it's from Kirby himself! "That'll be £500." A steep price you might think, but you really can't put a price on Unbound. When you Unbound your mind you open up your brain to the limitless potential of world without boundaries! Unbound, challenge everything! I've just Unbound my belt and pulled down my pants, and now I've Unbound my bladder onto my keyboard, i'ts acutlly gerting a littel hradt o tpye noew i tyink pissdf miytgh,,, broyke ,., keybored... Shuit. Unbuiynd! UNBYIOUN....
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As someone who literally just started playing 40k and had the misfortune of thinking Grey Knights were pretty cool... gently caress my life. They took away the few things GK really had going for them and made the army objectively worse than before.
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