Pomp posted:

Saw this crop up on Twitter, too, but I'm on mobile now so I can't be the one to post links. People were mentioning medical supplies and water.

bobtheconqueror posted:

Maybe he dropped something he really wanted to pick up while running, so he turns around and reaches down to pick it up. The cop, being a dumbass, thinks "He's coming right for me!" cause, you know, racists think black people are essentially animals, and proceeds to unload on the kid.

Or more likely, the kid turned around to surrender after the cop shot at him again, and got shot a bunch by an rear end in a top hat for the trouble.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

My guess is he was shot once from behind, probably a grazing shot. He turned around, hands raised, and was shot a second time, then shot again and again--to be consistent with witness testimony. He fell to his knees, and one shot caught his face/top of the head, and he fell flat on his stomach.

iostream.h posted:

That's what I figure too, I was just pondering the one from his eye traveling downward and the one on top of his head.
I'm just sick of all the people trying to justify it and twist everything to paint him... Well, everyone who's not insane in here knows what I mean I guess. The difference between a 'position of surrender' and 'doubled over in pain' seemed significant to me at the time, maybe it's not, it just crossed my mind.

Edit- ^^^^ Didn't his buddy hide behind a car or something while it happened? As far as not being arrested for the theft, wasn't it confirmed that no charges were ever filed and that the store owners had never intended to?

Zeitgueist posted:

Realistically? Not really. The dude was unarmed and shot several times and apparently the police admitted one of the times was at his back, it just missed.

The trajectory of this was set once they released the "shoplifting" video. The "He was coming straight for me" defense has worked countless times before regardless of evidence.

iostream.h posted:

That's what I figure too, I was just pondering the one from his eye traveling downward and the one on top of his head.
I'm just sick of all the people trying to justify it and twist everything to paint him... Well, everyone who's not insane in here knows what I mean I guess. The difference between a 'position of surrender' and 'doubled over in pain' seemed significant to me at the time, maybe it's not, it just crossed my mind.

Edit- ^^^^ Didn't his buddy hide behind a car or something while it happened? As far as not being arrested for the theft, wasn't it confirmed that no charges were ever filed and that the store owners had never intended to?

Pohl posted:

It is just conversation and bouncing ideas off of other people. It makes sense to bring up things that don't make sense to you and question how they happened, because maybe someone else has more knowledge than you. How the bullet acted the way it did may be important, but it probably isn't. Bullets do weird poo poo when they hit bone.


What are you even arguing? Everyone pretty much agrees with what you are saying.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I honestly don't think Wilson had any intention to kill him--if this was a murder, it was surely a crime of passion and so after the fact, he may not have been in any mental state to go pursue Brown's friend. I suspect it was a matter of seeing red, then his vision clearing and suddenly there's a dead kid on the ground and neighbors are screaming and oh gently caress oh poo poo what do I do now I have to call this in what do I say?

quote:

At approximately 12:30 AM on August 20, St. Louis County Police arrested Max Suchan, a Legal Observer® with the National Lawyers Guild (NLG). Suchan, a Chicago law student, traveled to Ferguson to document police misconduct and help protect community residents' First Amendment rights in the wake of Michael Brown's murder.

Prior to Suchan's arrest, the police repeatedly charged the crowd on Florrisant Ave., appearing to target unarmed black youth for arrest. The police pushed the protesters down the street and gave dispersal orders without clear directions for how people should leave. Suchan observed several police in riot gear pointing their guns at an African-American man, forcing him roughly to the ground before placing him under arrest. While attempting to ask the arrestee for his name so he could be tracked in jail (a standard Legal Observer® procedure), Suchan was also forced to the ground and arrested. He was booked at the St. Louis County Justice Center in Clayton and released several hours later. Suchan was released with a pending application of warrant (“PAW”), meaning that the County has 30 days to press charges if they so choose.

Following his arrest, Suchan stated: “I am shocked by the extreme level of violence police exhibited towards residents in their own community, as well as Legal Observers® and members of the press. I observed numerous arrests where people seemed to be singled out by police in a “snatch and grab” fashion, merely because of the color of their skin. I observed several residents arrested while trying to negotiate an exit route with police. Several of my co-arrestees were bleeding and had bumps and cuts on their faces from being thrown to the ground. The police are terrorizing Ferguson and those who support the struggle for police accountability and an end to racial inequality.”

For the last five days, the NLG has had a team of Legal Observers® on the ground in Ferguson to monitor police activity and offer legal support to protesters. The NLG has been documenting rampant police abuse at demonstrations, working with local organizations on coordinating bail and providing other legal support, and organizing criminal defense attorneys to represent arrestees. The Guild has extensive experience doing mass defense work for movements for social and political change, including Occupy Wall Street.

Even during his hours-long detention from inside the police van, Suchan continued doing mass defense work, documenting the cases of co-arrestees and monitoring police activity. He will be back on the streets as Legal Observer® tomorrow.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I honestly don't think Wilson had any intention to kill him--if this was a murder, it was surely a crime of passion and so after the fact, he may not have been in any mental state to go pursue Brown's friend. I suspect it was a matter of seeing red, then his vision clearing and suddenly there's a dead kid on the ground and neighbors are screaming and oh gently caress oh poo poo what do I do now I have to call this in what do I say?

Cuntpunch posted:

Defensive posture lines up with multiple witness stories(buddy with him and the twitter guy in his house) that the officer fired a couple of shots - probably hitting Brown - and Brown stopped and tried to surrender when the officer advanced and fired the remaining shots. The video testimony of the buddy tells this story, and the twitter guy specifically separates the shots into 2 and then some more. This wasn't stopping a dangerous suspect, this was an execution.

Zeitgueist posted:

I guess it's people being bored and talking about whatever, but how the trial turns out is going to be on a bunch of things and doing CSI:DnD on the shots isn't going to matter much in the trial whenever that happens.

So If we're just anticipating what defense the cops will use to get away with murder, OK. It just feels like people are still trying to figure out if the shooting was justified.

Pohl posted:

Trial? Man, are you feeling optimistic today?

Mr. Glass posted:

Here's the press release on the NLG legal observer that was arrested last night:

https://www.nlg.org/news/releases/nlg-legal-observer%C2%AE-arrested-while-documenting-ongoing-police-violence-ferguson

LLCoolJD posted:

This post sums up the fanatical, anti-white , anti-police sentiments underpinning some of the support of the 6'4", ~295 pound behemoth who (if it is him on the video) had just robbed a store and who (so the police report) had attacked the officer who shot him. There's such relish exhibited in the denigration of law enforcement and of whites who choose to side with the law enforcement interpretation of the incident. Those who would wax poetic about Brown's presumption of innocence are the same people who want to try an officer for murder in the court of public opinion.

Alkydere posted:

Glorious. It's really loving hard to look like you're the victims when you're arresting legal observers guys.

Zeitgueist posted:

Civil

Koalas March posted:

Which begs an interesting question: Why was his friend, Dorian, (I think?) never arrested? He was running away too, did he flee the scene successfully? Why isn't he being charged with being an accessory to the theft, resisting arrest etc?

uncurable mlady posted:

this really doesn't surprise me in the slightest, but a part of my brain has a factoid lodged in it that they're supposed to recertify every so often at marksmanship? like, i get that there's a pretty significant difference between being on a range and shooting black silhouettes versus unarmed black teenagers in the street but still

uncurable mlady posted:

the reason brown got shot as many times as he did is primarily because cop SOP is to kill someone that you're shooting at - if you've made the decision to pull the trigger, then you empty the clip and put them down.

bobtheconqueror posted:

Well, Wilson didn't know about the robbery since the store owner never reported anything, and since his altercation was with Brown, it makes sense that he wouldn't go after the other guy, since he booked it. Also, Wilson probably knew he done goofed, and wanted to get the gently caress out of there as quickly as possible. A man who thinks he did the right thing, racist or not, doesn't flee the drat state.

Did he even report the shooting himself?

Peven Stan posted:

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white

WarEternal posted:

Everyone should probably stop saying he didn't know about it, because since Friday the police have been saying that he did know about it, despite saying earlier on Friday that he didn't know about it. The official police story is going to be that he was aware of the "robbery" at the time he shot Brown.

Cuntpunch posted:

Doesn't SOP also assume you shouldn't be shooting at unarmed suspects? Regardless of that, supposing the story is correct, Brown failed to follow the SOP you describe because he fired a couple of times and likely hit Brown at least once. This stopped Brown's attempt to escape, changing it into an attempt to surrender, at which point the officer closed the distance and fired more shots to finish him.

You don't loving kill an unarmed man who is clearly wounded and attempting to surrender. If that's actually in police SOP documents somewhere, I would love to read them.

Kalman posted:

Where exactly are you getting the "the officer closed the distance" from?

Woozy posted:

Woozy posted:

bobtheconqueror posted:

What? When they released the footage the chief said they were unrelated, that Wilson didn't stop them for that, and the official reason for its release was a FOIA request.

WarEternal posted:

You've got the timeline mixed up for Friday. Friday morning they release the robbery report and lovely, darkened images of the "robbery". Soon after, they release the video. Later in the day at 3PM the chief holds a press conference where what he said was that Wilson didn't know about the robbery. Not much later on that day, he corrected and said that he didn't "initially" know about the robbery, but circled back because he thought he saw Brown with cigars.

Tweak posted:

he simply forgot his lines during the first press conference and was reminded of this later in the afternoon

bobtheconqueror posted:

That's cool. I mean, they're probably lying, but whatever. I edited my post to clarify that there wasn't an actual robbery for him to be responding to, so I don't know how he'd be tracking somebody down for something that didn't happen.

Tweak posted:

he simply forgot his lines during the first press conference and was reminded of this later in the afternoon

WarEternal posted:

Everyone should probably stop saying he didn't know about it, because since Friday the police have been saying that he did know about it, despite saying earlier on Friday that he didn't know about it. The official police story is going to be that he was aware of the "robbery" at the time he shot Brown.

On Terra Firma posted:

I don't know why it wasn't mentioned more often, but someone said something a few pages back about brown being in flip flops, while wearing socks (so they aren't the thong style that slip between your toes.)

How the gently caress are you going to charge anything with those things on your feet? Even if you kick them off, you're charging someone on concrete, with nothing but socks on. Why? That line of thinking is so loving retarded I just don't understand how anyone can latch onto it.