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I like the story of Raidou 1 better overall, especially the tail end of it. But other than that, Raidou 2 is just much, much better in general. Much better combat, much better fleshed out soundtrack (thank god). It does feel really recycled though, and the writing is pretty awful in a lot of places.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:It does feel really recycled though
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SelenicMartian posted:They recycled the same demon 3d models in SMT3, DDS1&2, P3&4, DS1&2, and that MMO thing also used them, I think. You learn to embrace recycling in Megaten. The difference with Raidou 2 is that it recycles nearly every dungeon from Raidou 1 (a lot of them are used for sidequests though, so don't worry), then it palette swaps major boss fights and dungeons over and over and over. It also suffers from P4 syndrome, where it forces the player to sit down and listen to a recap of the investigation so far.
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Man, Shin Megami Tensei II's a strange game. It seems to be built around wasting your time. Like the Center's terminal being down, having to take the passage to Holytown way too many times and having to climb a 13 floor dungeon twice. The game's plot is more interesting than I's overall when it pops it up, but halfway through it got sidetracked with looking for pillars and resurrecting dead deities which causes you to backtrack all over the map finding shrines and body parts and phew. Game's still easy enough where I can auto battle everything, but man it's a slog at times. I'm in the Abyss for the second time and really hoping I'm getting near the end so things will start will getting interesting. Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Moltrey posted:Man, Shin Megami Tensei II's a strange game. Abyss is the last third of the game or so, you can go through it fairly quickly..it's just a few dungeons and towns. In my opinion though it's the worst part of the game since it's pretty much just a bunch of generic stone cave dungeons/bosses with almost no depth, story or justification for their existence. One of the dungeons for example is this goofy boss rush of 12 palette swapped bosses which all die in 1-2 turns except the one that's immune to physical attacks. The music is cool though, and the Abyss in SMT2 is also the first appearance (I believe) of a certain fan favorite demon in the series. The last area of the game is boss though edit: hellyeah I'm also a toiletlord apparently, like that one other smt2 boss
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I just gave up on Raidou 1 halfway through (specifically after being dumped into a dungeon to cure the admiral's curse). I love everything about that game except for the actual game part which is clunky and terrible. I know all about the quality of life improvement in Abbadon, but seem unable to find a full synopsis for Soulless Army's plot online. Does anyone have a short list of things I need to know before playing 2?
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I managed to gently caress myself in SMT1 by selling my Hero's sword after weapon shops stop selling melee weapons 
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Rodyle posted:I just gave up on Raidou 1 halfway through (specifically after being dumped into a dungeon to cure the admiral's curse). I love everything about that game except for the actual game part which is clunky and terrible. I know all about the quality of life improvement in Abbadon, but seem unable to find a full synopsis for Soulless Army's plot online. Does anyone have a short list of things I need to know before playing 2? Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Aug 21, 2014 |
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Aug 21, 2014 02:21
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First fight of the game and I can't BELIEVE how much better Raidou 2 feels.
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Accordion Man posted:You don't really have to know much of anything. Some characters and references are made to 1 but they are just bonuses, 2 is its own game. I never played 1 and I was fine. Pretty much this. Plus trust me when I say that summarizing the second half of Raidou 1's plot would only confuse you.
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Rodyle posted:I just gave up on Raidou 1 halfway through (specifically after being dumped into a dungeon to cure the admiral's curse). I love everything about that game except for the actual game part which is clunky and terrible. I know all about the quality of life improvement in Abbadon, but seem unable to find a full synopsis for Soulless Army's plot online. Does anyone have a short list of things I need to know before playing 2? It's not really a synopsis, but Luisfe's LP is pretty easy to skim through. Raidou 2's best sidequest does involve a parallel world version of Raidou who's introduced in Raidou 1, though it's more for flavor than anything I call necessary.
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GimmickMan posted:Pretty much this. Plus trust me when I say that summarizing the second half of Raidou 1's plot would only confuse you. I do know that the 2nd half of Raidou 1 involves going to space and fighting the Raidou from SMT 2 (Though that I only know because of the TBFP Podcast) attacking to prevent the nuclear apocalypse How any of this fits together is, I admit, a mystery.
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Rodyle posted:I do know that the 2nd half of Raidou 1 involves going to space and fighting the Raidou from SMT 2 (Though that I only know because of the TBFP Podcast) attacking to prevent the nuclear apocalypse How any of this fits together is, I admit, a mystery. You don't go to space. The cat does. 
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I will say that one thing Raidou 2 can't hope to match Raidou 1 for is box art, but that's because Raidou 1 has the best box art of any game except maybe The Mystery of the Druids.
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Rodyle posted:I will say that one thing Raidou 2 can't hope to match Raidou 1 for is box art, but that's because Raidou 1 has the best box art of any game except maybe The Mystery of the Druids. Is there a compilation of Raidou's scenes in Nocturne anywhere? Does he appear in the same areas as Dante?
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SelenicMartian posted:Is there a compilation of Raidou's scenes in Nocturne anywhere? Does he appear in the same areas as Dante? The best I know of are these three translations, but they're incomplete and only cover the text. He replaces every instance of Dante in the game, though Gouto is the one who does all the talking.
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Aug 21, 2014 06:11
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SelenicMartian posted:Is that the one where you knock out a beggar with pure alcohol to steal his money? And it still uses the same music for all his scenes and battles, which is a little odd. Speaking of music, I noticed that the music for Kichijoji from SMT1 is very similar to the Puzzle Boy music from Nocturne. I love these little details.
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Which game do people think has the best story? I've played Persona 3 and 4 and while I loved them I wouldn't say the story was the greatest. I've been hearing really good things about 2's story though, and Nocturne's.
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Of the SMT games? Persona 4, although I couldn't get into 2's gameplay at all so I never beat that.
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Innocent Sin has the best plot of any JRPG and I'll fight you if you disagree. I enjoyed the gameplay too but some people can't get into it.
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If you could condense P3's story and maybe delete Fuuka's entire subplot it's pretty good.
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I want to say cheekily Nocturne, just because they managed to create a story where (SMT:N True Demon spoilers) "good lord, you're all assholes, gently caress this whole thing, let's just kickstart armageddon" ends up as the most logical and understandable choice.
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Mine is probably a threeway tie between SMT I (it's the first I played, so it's nostalgia there), Persona 3, and Nocturne. Or the comedy option, Jack Bros.
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Captain Walker posted:Innocent Sin has the best plot of any JRPG and I'll fight you if you disagree. I enjoyed the gameplay too but some people can't get into it. I preferred Eternal Punishment, but the two form one big story together and function better when taken as a whole.
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I really liked Digital Devil Saga 1&2. They have a more dark and gritty storyline compared to most RPGs and your characters eating their enemies to survive storywise and incorporate that into gameplay is a nice twist. And I'm a sucker for mythology/religions with multiple deities, so the connections with Hinduism/Buddhism and the storyline's interpretation and symbolism (such as the Sea of Milk) of those religions were interesting to me.
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With regards to story, I like Persona 2 the best, and it was really interesting to see a similar situation being looked at from a juvenile and adult perspective. They also get a lot of great development through the optional dialogue in the locations around the city, so you can see little snippets of their personal lives as well as comments about the current plot points, etc. Now when it comes to art direction, Nocturne and DDS1&2 have some of the most interesting aesthetics for environments and characters of the SMT series.
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I've never been very impressed with the plot in SMT games. I'd probably go with DDS just because it was really interesting to me at the time without having the big alignment split (at least, I don't remember there being one), which is the point in an SMT game where the plot becomes really stupid. DDS2 gets kinda weird though. Alternatively there's Persona 4, where I was invested in the characters but the plot is just terrible. Raidou's pretty cool as well. Atlus seems better at writing characters than they are at stories. They have interesting ideas but often poor execution.
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theblackw0lf posted:Which game do people think has the best story? I've played Persona 3 and 4 and while I loved them I wouldn't say the story was the greatest. The Persona 2 duology, followed closely by Persona 1 and the first Devil Survivor. Soul Hackers is also up there.
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Devil Survivor 1 hands down for me. They just absolutely nailed the desperate survival tone and it's absolutely amazing and makes the story of the sequel all that more disappointing that it wasn't nearly as good.
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theblackw0lf posted:Which game do people think has the best story? I've played Persona 3 and 4 and while I loved them I wouldn't say the story was the greatest.
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Well, I'm in dungeon Grus in Strange Journey and woha boy has this game ever been SNES SMT 1/2 as gently caress. But I'm pretty much ready for the ride to be over. The game is tons of fun, and its probably my favorite so far of the SMT main-lines games, and easily in the top 5 Megaten games. It does keep offering more dungeons to dive through which is great, but after the abuse of some of the teleporter dungeons I'm more than ready to be let off. I really hope the last sector isn't as big and gently caress offy as I suspect it will be.
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hubris.height posted:Well, I'm in dungeon Grus in Strange Journey and woha boy has this game ever been SNES SMT 1/2 as gently caress. But I'm pretty much ready for the ride to be over. The game is tons of fun, and its probably my favorite so far of the SMT main-lines games, and easily in the top 5 Megaten games. It does keep offering more dungeons to dive through which is great, but after the abuse of some of the teleporter dungeons I'm more than ready to be let off. I really hope the last sector isn't as big and gently caress offy as I suspect it will be. I really loved Strange Journey for a big chunk of it, it just went on for too long. By the end I was more than ready to be done with it, but when I think back on the game that's the part I remember. The dungeon design got way too sadistic for me, especially because I was thrashing the normal battles but would have to fight so many navigating the weird bits.
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Crosspost from the P4U thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZV5iUIGaE
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S-Alpha posted:Crosspost from the P4U thread: Was that Velvet Room remix in the original game?
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You are a slave. Want emancipation?
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If P4A2 leaks anything like Persona Q did, we'll probably start getting story spoilers by Monday
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S-Alpha posted:Crosspost from the P4U thread:  theodore fans getting blown the gently caress out
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Captain Walker posted:I managed to gently caress myself in SMT1 by selling my Hero's sword after weapon shops stop selling melee weapons If I recall SMT1 properly, you're probably not hosed because past a certain point a gun loaded with Charm bullets will carry you through 90% of the game. Also the best and stupidly overpowered sword is one you find and then fuse IIRC, so don't fret. You may wish to double check my info though since it has been a while.
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:If I recall SMT1 properly, you're probably not hosed because past a certain point a gun loaded with Charm bullets will carry you through 90% of the game. Also the best and stupidly overpowered sword is one you find and then fuse IIRC, so don't fret. You may wish to double check my info though since it has been a while. I scraped past the Police Station AI which is immune to Gun, I don't know how I would have beaten the bosses in Ikebukuro. I got lucky though and my last save was right before Roppongi. True story: SMT games have taught me more about the geographic make-up of Tokyo than about world mythologies. E: SMT2 iOS says no English release now or ever. Is this true? Did SMT1 sell that poorly? 
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Captain Walker posted:I scraped past the Police Station AI which is immune to Gun, I don't know how I would have beaten the bosses in Ikebukuro. I got lucky though and my last save was right before Roppongi. That description was there before SMT1 got translated on iOS. SMT1 had the same line in its description too, but then it got translated out of nowhere.
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