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Technically that's where a head goes. Maybe from a different drawing, but it's geometrically in the right spot.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:25
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Chinaman7000 posted:Technically that's where a head goes. Maybe from a different drawing, but it's geometrically in the right spot. Doesn't look like a particularly great way to climb up onto a roof, though.
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Aug 19, 2014 10:03
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From Electra #5 by Mike Del Mundo. He also did the X-Men Legacy covers which are some of the best covers I've ever seen.   
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Aug 21, 2014 15:43
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omg chael crash posted:
I actually like that she looks quite buglike and unsexy in this picture, but Manara just can't help himself.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:02
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Lurdiak posted:That's really really really obviously a naked woman sketch that had superhero stuff drawn on after the fact. How else could you draw her?
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Aug 21, 2014 16:06
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People don't just look like they're naked but with different colours painted on regardless of how tight their clothing is supposed to be.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:08
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Counterpoint: Starfire.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:11
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Waterhaul posted:People don't just look like they're naked but with different colours painted on regardless of how tight their clothing is supposed to be. That may be the case, but I'm wondering if anybody else is seeing what I'm seeing. Of course that's not a real pose for a real woman, there's something creepy and Uno Morales-ish about it. It's just too freaky to find properly sexy, despite the lovingly rendered back muscles and prominent glutes.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:27
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That may be the case, but I'm wondering if anybody else is seeing what I'm seeing. Of course that's not a real pose for a real woman, there's something creepy and Uno Morales-ish about it. It's just too freaky to find properly sexy, despite the lovingly rendered back muscles and prominent glutes. I posted about this in the chat thread but it's literally a recolor of another Manara piece of a completely naked woman. Well maybe not a recolor but you can see the similarities, nws obviously http://i.imgur.com/kxqZjxa.gif zoux fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Aug 21, 2014 |
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Aug 21, 2014 16:33
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zoux posted:Counterpoint: Starfire. She has Orange skin though, she's not in a skin tight Orange spandex outfit 24/7 (though if she did, with the stuff she normally wears, would actually make her fairly modest, superhero wise.) The main off thing in the spiderwoman picture is that Butt cheek spread. Normal clothes, even skin tight stuff, will displace out at the apex of curves so it will not flow down into a sharp point like that. Considering when that's the first part you'll probably see when looking at the image, just from it being at the top of the image, to have that be that off is really unsettling. Her weird head position and seemingly lack of a left shoulder only make it worse when you scroll down.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:40
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Also protip: Don't GIS Milo Manara at work unless your work is cool with a drawing of a man fingering a woman's butthole.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:41
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zoux posted:From Electra #5 by Mike Del Mundo. These are insane. Does he do full comics or just covers? EDIT: D'oh, that top one isn't a cover. Answers my question!
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Aug 21, 2014 16:45
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Dick Trauma posted:These are insane. Does he do full comics or just covers? He does the interiors for Elektra but a different dude did the interiors for Spurrier's Legacy run (which is a fantastic book that follows Legion). Afaik Elektra's his first Marvel interiors but he's done covers for Waid's Hulk run too.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:48
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zoux posted:(which is a fantastic book that follows Legion). Who?
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Aug 21, 2014 17:06
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zoux posted:I posted about this in the chat thread but it's literally a recolor of another Manara piece of a completely naked woman. Uh, that's not even close. It's clearly an original piece.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:07
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Sorry, David Haller.HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Uh, that's not even close. It's clearly an original piece. Yeah I couldn't find the other one but it's got that same nude rear end spread thing going on.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:07
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I don't see how they're remotely similar unless you're claiming that Milo Manara invented face down rear end up. I'm sure he'd be tickled at the implication, though.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:08
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The butt! The butt is similar!!! One lady is naked and one lady is ostensibly clothed but it's hard to get your butt to do that thing if you are clothed, even ostensibly so.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:09
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It's a stock pose. In fact, the modifications he's made to make her anatomy bizarre and spindly just reinforce my point; even with cheesecake Manara is better than the typical misbegotten comic book sex appeal artist.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:12
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Aug 21, 2014 17:13
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zoux posted:Sorry, David Haller. I still do not know who you are talking about. Professor X never had a kid. (Read X-Men Legacy)
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Aug 21, 2014 17:18
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zoux posted:
See what I mean? With an ostensibly creepier design and much worse grasp of anatomy, The Ant there looks like poo poo. Like a lot of Manara's compositions the sexuality is very obvious but it's not blatantly terrible art, like that crappy cover.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:26
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Can't believe Manara just traced that Ant cover. Shameful.
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Aug 21, 2014 18:53
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Spider-Woman is having a terrible week: Lookit dat little leg nubbin!
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Aug 21, 2014 19:46
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Greg Land is a straight up deal breaker for me. Cannot, will not read books he draws.
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Aug 21, 2014 19:50
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redbackground posted:Spider-Woman is having a terrible week: "Help me white Spider-Woman, I have no legs" Dennis Hopeless & Greg Land - I hope that book lasts for years and these guys break the Bendis/Bagley record of working together. Just a nice little contamination zone title.
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Aug 21, 2014 19:53
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redbackground posted:Spider-Woman is having a terrible week: So this is like some kind of weird fastball special right? Spiders regrow their legs right? zoux posted:Greg Land is a straight up deal breaker for me. Cannot, will not read books he draws. I used to be able to look past the art for the story, that's who I got through UXM and the first couple issues of the new Iron Man. But it's just so bad now that if I see his name, I won't even consider it, no matter how much I like the writer. There's too many other good books to pay for that poo poo.
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Aug 21, 2014 19:59
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RevKrule posted:So this is like some kind of weird fastball special right? I read my poo poo through Ultimate so it's only costing me time, that's how much I can't stand Land. I heard that the recent Mighty Avengers run is awesomely written but I'll never know because I'll never read it. There are other artists I hate but I'll read a Ramos book, say, if it's well written. Not Land. RevKrule posted:So this is like some kind of weird fastball special right? 
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Aug 21, 2014 20:12
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Waterhaul posted:People don't just look like they're naked but with different colours painted on regardless of how tight their clothing is supposed to be. This is how most comic books operate. Do you think you can see abs and biceps through clothing? I'm surprised you're just now noticing this.
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Aug 21, 2014 20:36
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MY ABACUS! posted:This is how most comic books operate. Do you think you can see abs and biceps through clothing? I'm surprised you're just now noticing this. There are levels to it without being that erotic. Though obviously it's Manara so y'know.
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Aug 21, 2014 20:43
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The thing is, it is highly erotic, and always has been. That's why they wear the underwear on the outside to begin with. Skintight Ken and Barbie stuff actually seems way creepier to me since they clearly aren't wearing any clothes and there is no attempt to depict "material". Spider Woman's costume is just straight up a painted nude. Not for nothing do they give Manara work, you get what you're asking for there. Why be coy, as long as we're doing this thing?
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Aug 21, 2014 21:10
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Because superheroes and comics are still ostensibly for kids and not sexually maladjusted adults. There is literally no other reason to remain coy about it.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:16
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I admit I am biased because Manara is a skilled illustrator and there's nothing wrong with erotic art. It's definitely not comparable with the dross that looks like DC house style. The only other time I've found the character remotely appealing since being brought back was when Maleev drew her because he showed a little restraint and didn't give her F-cup breasts and made the costume look like a costume.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:30
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I admit I am biased because Manara is a skilled illustrator and there's nothing wrong with erotic art. It's definitely not comparable with the dross that looks like DC house style. The only other time I've found the character remotely appealing since being brought back was when Maleev drew her because he showed a little restraint and didn't give her F-cup breasts and made the costume look like a costume. Maleev didn't really show that much restraint with some of the concept work stuff he did for the book. It has the same painted on costume but I think does a better job than Manara.    I think really the difference is more Marvel pushing this as a ~rare~ variant and the extra scrutiny around female solo books at the moment. It doesn't help to have that they have Land on interiors too which already set a precedent with the book.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:41
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Jess is one of the characters where artists are like, awww yeah I'm 12 years old again.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:42
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It's really weird too, Spider-Woman has one of the least sexy and most visually unappealing costumes in comics and always has. I still have zero loving idea why no one at Marvel has commissioned a redesign in the last 10 years.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:45
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I think I'm probably way biased to Maleev too, plus his interiors are less indulgent and better suited to that Brubaker/Bendis/Rucka style.mind the walrus posted:It's really weird too, Spider-Woman has one of the least sexy and most visually unappealing costumes in comics and always has. I still have zero loving idea why no one at Marvel has commissioned a redesign in the last 10 years. It's cause the character was brought back because she was one of Bendis' adolescent sexual fantasies. Her inexplicable allure was even a plot point. Waterhaul posted:I think really the difference is more Marvel pushing this as a ~rare~ variant and the extra scrutiny around female solo books at the moment. It doesn't help to have that they have Land on interiors too which already set a precedent with the book. I get that, the cover is actually uncomfortable to look at but it's actually because it's gone the other way that you usually see defended in cheesecake. There's nothing winking about it at all, it's not sexy or teasing, it's just blatantly sexual.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:54
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mind the walrus posted:It's really weird too, Spider-Woman has one of the least sexy and most visually unappealing costumes in comics and always has. I still have zero loving idea why no one at Marvel has commissioned a redesign in the last 10 years. Because tits, I guess?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's cause the character was brought back because she was one of Bendis' adolescent sexual fantasies. Her inexplicable allure was even a plot point. Was Bendis the one that invented the pheromones thing?
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