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Snipee posted:It is very telling about the demographics here for posters to mention the Nazis and ignore the Japanese war crimes from the same war. If we really want to talk about murder, rape, and plunder, then I am surprised by the lack of credit for the Mongols in a thread about the Middle East. But I mean, please let's continue the Western dick measuring contest. Because the argument literally is "this group that has existed as a singular entity and for some reason isn't Britain which we're pretending doesn't exist, that still exists, has the highest kill count, regardless of how long it has been around, and that is why America is v bad." It is not a coincidence these posters are completely absent in foreign concerned D&D threads that the American military is not currently making headlines in.
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > poo poo happened in The Middle East but let's talk about how America is basically Hitler
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Aug 22, 2014 05:01
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:But it's important to keep in mind who is the most evil. Why?
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Aug 22, 2014 05:02
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Why are people attempting to have a serious debate with BrownBlitzkrieg? You do know that's not how he works, right?
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Aug 22, 2014 05:07
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New Division posted:The mismatch between the way Obama is talking about ISIS as a threat and what the admistration is stating they will do to fight them is jarring as hell. THEY ARE AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT so we're going to undertake a very small limited operation. Iran, Hezbollah, Kurds that are on America's terrorist list, and Iraqi shia death squads that showed the sunni terrorists a new level of shame during the Iraq civil war are doing most of the work. The only people doing this for no gain in territory are the shia. They are the good guys against the supreme evil of the sunni IS threat around the world. Even so, the Shia are blamed for trivial things by the world powers while Israel Jacks off that their new sunni allies (the gcc) fund the genocide of religious minorities and whole sale massacre of the only people who embarrassed Israel twice. There is no secret that Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies and there is no secret that Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the USA supported IS so that Syria would be weakened in a permanent state of war so Israel could keep the Golan Heights forever and Saudi Arabia could export wahhabism and salifism to other countries with their billions of dollars.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:10
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GuyinCognito posted:There is no secret that Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies and there is no secret that Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the USA supported IS so that Syria would be weakened in a permanent state of war so Israel could keep the Golan Heights forever and Saudi Arabia could export wahhabism and salifism to other countries with their billions of dollars. America supported IS? Do go on.  It's not like Assad was making ominous overtones towards the Israelis and the Golan just before March 2011. In fact, you could probably say that he, much like any other dictator in the region, would prefer to keep that issue festering as a way to distract the population from his own government's doings. Edit: see also every Arab pronouncement regarding the "Palestinian cause" despite treating them like a fifth column in their own countries, keeping them confined to refugee camps, etc.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:14
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khwarezm posted:Considering that the figures for things like Vietnam and Iraq include the total casualties for both wars regardless of how directly involved the United States was in actually killing all the people listed then the United States is easily beaten by applying the same standards to various other entities including Nazi Germany, the major European empires and, if you want to go way back, stuff like the Mongols or Romans. None of those organisations still exist. None of them are related to this conversation. I highly doubt Saddam killed a million people. And there would have been a thousand times less deaths in Vietnam if the USA had simply not started that war. Torka posted:Why? Because somebody said Saddam Hussein was worse than America, and they were god drat wrong. BlitzkriegOfColour fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Aug 22, 2014 05:25
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I keep mistaking knee-jerk leftism as evidence of critical thought. On one hand, I prefer that over cheerleading capitalism and whitewashing racist imperialism. On the other hand, it's often hilariously Eurocentric and reflexively downplays the fact that the underdogs might be oppressive pieces of poo poo themselves. I cannot help but suspect that a significant amount of anti-Americanism and anti-Western sentiment is just childish first world rebellion against the norm. Can we agree that we can all be assholes given the opportunity? I want to hear more about the airstrikes that killed three Hamas commanders. What can we say about Israeli intelligence capabilities?
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Aug 22, 2014 05:27
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:None of those organisations still exist. Britain still exists seriously what is your deal
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Aug 22, 2014 05:27
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Best Friends posted:Britain still exists seriously what is your deal The British Empire is dead, its relevance consigned to the mere pages of history books. It plays about as much role in modern day warmongering as Australia does - little brother to America, world bully. Yes, the BE was worse than the US. Do you want a loving prize? e: I'm not posting anything else about this derail. I just wanted that one guy to explain himself wrt Hussein vs. America.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:32
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So 2014 America is accountable for Custer but 2014 Britain is not accountable for the entirety of British history even though your criterion this entire time has been "organization that still exists." Why it's almost as if you have the beliefs of a cartoon character / literal child Almost quote:e: I'm not posting anything else about this derail. I just wanted that one guy to explain himself wrt Hussein vs. America. "I cannot believe people are seriously engaging me" That's fair.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:34
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:The British Empire is dead, its relevance consigned to the mere pages of history books. It plays about as much role in modern day warmongering as Australia does - little brother to America, world bully. Yes, the BE was worse than the US. Do you want a loving prize? Until the last English gentleman lies garroted by his own entrails in the burning ruins of London we will have no peace.
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suboptimal posted:America supported IS? Do go on. Syria and Israel where hashing out a peace deal which would entail stealing more water from the west bank and giving the Golan back to Syria in exchange for a peace agreement. Syria walked away because of livni's election day massacre of Palestinians. This is all in the Palestinian Papers which you must have never looked at. That was before 2011 so, as usual, you don't know poo poo.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:40
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Speaking of the British, the most vile nation in history, during the holocaust they deliberately starved 3 million Indians to death. They, during WW2, are just as bad as the axis powers. They are also a colonial power since they control the Malvinas and parts of Ireland. Also, Tony Blair.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:48
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There is no such thing as the Malvinas, the Falklands properly belong to the French by right of first permanent settlement.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:52
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Yeah I don't know why America and British imperialism would be at odds with each other since if anything they seemed to have flowed to some extent into each other after ww2.
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Aug 22, 2014 05:53
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:None of those organisations still exist. This is both wrong (unless you think that the British empire and modern day Britain have nothing to do with each other) and irrelevant to what I was responding to, which is that: IAMKOREA posted:The US military is the greatest force of evil this world has ever known quote:None of them are related to this conversation. I highly doubt Saddam killed a million people. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Aug 22, 2014 05:59
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Nintendo Kid posted:There is no such thing as the Malvinas, the Falklands properly belong to the French by right of first permanent settlement. Only in your fantasies does the Malvianas not belong to continental south America for the Natives of South America. Just as North America belongs to North Americans. It shows that you have a double standard against Latinos if you think that British can just claim parts of Argentina to extract the natural resources of that nation. You have always been on the wrong side of history in the middle east and now in Latin America.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:06
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GuyinCognito posted:Only in your fantasies does the Malvianas not belong to continental south America for the Natives of South America. Just as North America belongs to North Americans. It shows that you have a double standard against Latinos if you think that British can just claim parts of Argentina to extract the natural resources of that nation. Eh that is dumb, there weren't any people on those Islands. So the Brits/french are the natives. To send them to other countries is basically imperialism for a different power.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:08
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Why are you people responding to someone named IAMKOREA who called the korean war the us war aggression against korea
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Aug 22, 2014 06:10
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GuyinCognito posted:Only in your fantasies does the Malvianas not belong to continental south America for the Natives of South America. Uh, you know that excludes most of the Argentinian population don't you?
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Aug 22, 2014 06:11
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latinos, like arabs, are a monolitch group in the eyes of the white english speaking world. South America includes the malivnas and it's European powers with deadly weapons that have stolen land and settled their own racist people on latino lands. Just like how the USA still occupies Cuba. At the barrel of a gun. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 22, 2014 06:16
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GuyinCognito posted:Only in your fantasies does the Malvianas not belong to continental south America for the Natives of South America. Just as North America belongs to North Americans. It shows that you have a double standard against Latinos if you think that British can just claim parts of Argentina to extract the natural resources of that nation. There are no natives of the Falklands prior to European settlement. Quite simply, they were terrible places to live and annoying to get to, so the natives of South America would rarely ever show up to them. The French unambiguously hold first claim to the islands and it was only Spanish perfidy that led to them taking control of the islands for a time. The only claim Argentina ever held was a descendant of Spanish power in the area, Spanish power that only held them due to armed conquest - and when the English won armed conquest back they gained rightful title.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:20
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GuyinCognito posted:latinos, like arabs, are a monolitch group in the eyes of the white english speaking world. South America includes the malivnas and it's European powers with deadly weapons that have stolen land and settled their own racist people on latino lands. Just like how the USA still occupies Cuba. At the barrel of a gun. The first people to inhabit the Falklands were Europeans. I'm sorry, but no natives were massacred in the taking of them. Argentina's primary claim to them is that they're kinda close.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:20
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Aug 22, 2014 06:21
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Adventure Pigeon posted:The first people to inhabit the Falklands were Europeans. I'm sorry, but no natives were massacred in the taking of them. Argentina's primary claim to them is that they're kinda close. Nah, their primary claim was that the Spanish owned them, and Argentina of course split off from the Spanish Empire and claimed all nearby Spanish possessions and Spanish possessions that had recently been won by other countries.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:22
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Nintendo Kid posted:so the natives of South America would rarely ever show up to them. So you admit that you where wrong that it was uninhabited. Saying that the British never killed an entire population to steal their land is quite gullible of you. Anyways, please stop derailing the thread with you apologism for modern day colonialism.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:26
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It would be more contentious though if there wasn't a population there that wanted to stay with the UK though. Frankly, Argentina is facing far more important issues of modern-day colonialism than those islands like the onerous debt they are being squeezed into being paid back.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:29
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Nintendo Kid posted:Nah, their primary claim was that the Spanish owned them, and Argentina of course split off from the Spanish Empire and claimed all nearby Spanish possessions and Spanish possessions that had recently been won by other countries. They weren't exactly calling the Philippines theirs. That the Falklands are sorta close is about the best reason they have. Either way, it's sorta silly. The sad thing was that Britain was gradually working to gradually integrate the Falklands into Argentina until Argentina decided to invade to distract the populace from the problems of the Junta. Edit: And no GuyInCognito, there's minimal evidence that natives ever reached the Falklands before the Europeans. Europeans are, in fact, the natives. No indigenous people were killed when the Europeans arrived, and now Europeans are the indigenous people. Adventure Pigeon fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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GuyinCognito posted:So you admit that you where wrong that it was uninhabited. Nope. They were uninhabited. Similarly, highway rest area bathrooms are not inhabited, even though some people may show up from time to time to go into them. I know you can't handle these facts, though. GuyinCognito posted:Saying that the British never killed an entire population to steal their land is quite gullible of you. They absolutely did not do this on the Falklands, they killed Argentinians who tried to steal land, and they killed a few Spaniards and French several hundred years ago.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:34
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Can we talk about the Middle East instead, instead of this dumb as poo poo multi-page derail full of armchair general nerds who haven't got the foggiest idea what the feck they are talking about.
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Aug 22, 2014 06:59
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The clear solution is to give the Falklands to ISIS.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Can we talk about the Middle East instead, instead of this dumb as poo poo multi-page derail full of armchair general nerds who haven't got the foggiest idea what the feck they are talking about. First we have to earnestly debate the guy who thinks the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam is the worst crime in the history of mankind.
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GuyinCognito posted:Syria and Israel where hashing out a peace deal which would entail stealing more water from the west bank and giving the Golan back to Syria in exchange for a peace agreement. Syria walked away because of livni's election day massacre of Palestinians. This is all in the Palestinian Papers which you must have never looked at. That was before 2011 so, as usual, you don't know poo poo. I knew about those negotiations. I was referring to the government's public stances on this as presented to the populace as a distraction from their own internal issues, not the state's private diplomatic dealings. And also, I'd still love to hear about the US supporting IS.
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New Division posted:Give the Shia militia some credit here. They've been forcing the Sunnis out of Baghdad for years! That's interesting. Do you have any source for Sunnis being pushed out of Baghdad in general?
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Re: Stealth helicopters, I'd bet money that it was a HALO jump, and people on the ground just thought they came from helicopters, and helicopters came not long later for support and extraction. To silently get enough SFOD-D guys on the ground to overrun a prison? That's the way it normally goes when you have to fly over enemy territory and could be spotted anywhere, giving people a heads up Drop em from so high no one has any idea.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:The British Empire is dead, its relevance consigned to the mere pages of history books. It plays about as much role in modern day warmongering as Australia does - little brother to America, world bully. Yes, the BE was worse than the US. Do you want a loving prize? Oh my loving God if you think the British empire is irrelevant in THE MIDDLE EAST THREAD then I don't even know what to say. Surely this exposes you as blatantly trolling at this point.
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Torka posted:So you guys, I heard there was some poo poo going down in the middle east right now. I've heard rumours of this as well. In an attempt to get back on topic, here's VICE News latest dispatch from Iraq, interviewing Peshmerga-fighters near the Mosul Dam: http://youtu.be/ntOAW9DLBTE Apparently, ISIS also suffered heavy casualties trying to take the last stronghold of the Assad regime in the Raqqa-region, the Tabaqa airfield, looks like the regime is holding out so far. Can't believe it's come to the point where I'm rooting for the regime, when up against ISIS. Also, Iran has offered to step up their help fighting ISIS if nuclear sanctions are lifted. Here's the source: http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-offers-help-with-isis-if-us-lifts-nuclear-sanctions-2014-8 Rooting for the regime in Raqqa and watching Iran and the US become de-facto allies. What a mess 
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Goon logic: America is responsible for death and destruction. ISIS is responsible for death and destruction. Conclusion: America = ISIS.
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Human Rights Watch's video on the August 21st attacks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilanR5_YeEo
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