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Tenzarin posted:Maybe when he shot Brown, all those shots were actually warning shots and he walked into them. See warning shots are dangerous! Uhh, ok then, you didn't like what some of us posted about warning shots, that's nice and all but maybe you're overdoing it? No offense but you're coming off as a bit petulant, esp. since you've posted the same kind of stuff four+ times now. TrixR4kids posted:I get that, but they never say who in law enforcement or name a source which makes me a little skeptical. I see what you mean. On one hand it is perfectly standard to anonymize informants and interviewees in cases where there's great controversy, personal shame or a risk of people getting retaliated against. On the other, seeing that the police and the media have pushed complete bullshit to the fore like it was true (Wilson getting punched by Brown so hard that he had an orbital fracture, a total fabrication, springs to mind), a slew of 'anonymous sources' making claims about this and that that often seems to attempt to push the narrative in the favor of the police doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the authenticity of these claims. Like, the whole 'Brown bullrushed Wilson, he had to shoot him!!' narrative comes from Wilson's wife, who (iirc) told it to another person who then called it in, and this caller was used as a reliable source for a while. Hell, Brown as a bullrushing menace is probably still being cited as the reason for his death all over Reddit and Facebook and poo poo. That and tons of other spurious claims have helped muddy the waters and make finding out what really happened that much harder, and has really hosed up the dialogue about the encounter on a global basis, just like when Zimmermann shot Trayvon Martin.
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I wonder what you can see from security cameras 1,2,4 and 5. Surely there's footage of the actual transaction.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:33
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Exactly. This claim seems reasonable due to it matching the stories of three or four eyewitnesses bit it'd be nice to know whether there's any merit to it or not given how many bogus claims we've seen. The orbital bone fracture makes no sense for a number of reasons (YouTube vid, seemingly bogus or biased sources, likely wouldn't have held he info for this long). So yeah, as much as I think Wilson was likel negligent in his handling of he situation, there just isn't a whole lot to go by. Edit: was responding to Murphy TrixR4kids fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Aug 22, 2014 23:37
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Wow the only thing that's really solid so far is the witnesses and witness testimony doesn't carry as much weight here,gently caress if dude walks....I don't even know.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:42
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SirKibbles posted:Wow the only thing that's really solid so far is the witnesses and witness testimony doesn't carry as much weight here,gently caress if dude walks....I don't even know. I always kinda figured he would walk. Like others said, 1080p recording isn't enough in some instances.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:45
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That PR firm wrote the incident reports, right?
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Aug 22, 2014 23:46
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quote:Sharpton Is Right: Racism Is Rampant Let the fireworks in D&D begin. 
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Aug 22, 2014 23:48
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I'll take institutional racism for $100, Alex.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:57
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Are we just emptyquoting random tea party blogs now?
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Aug 22, 2014 23:59
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TrixR4kids posted:I get that, but they never say who in law enforcement or name a source which makes me a little skeptical. The NYT is one of our three newspapers of record (The LATimes & WaPo are the other two). They generally don't gently caress up too badly (they usually issue retractions if they do) and are referenced in journals and poo poo as a primary source (or secondary depending on the article). They are consistently good reporting. If they say that's what happened, there's a drat good chance that that's what happened. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Aug 23, 2014 00:00
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Uh yeah if I'm gonna rob someone they're gonna be white, white people have nicer stuff.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:00
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No one could really write an argument so willfully stupid, right? Right?
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Yeah so long as whites are 5x richer on average, or on average placed in the care of 5x the money, it totally makes sense to target them 5x as much on top of other biases. A robber isn't a fool incapable of math. Like I really don't get the argument here: "Ha, I addressed the sampling bias of there being MORE whites, so no sampling biases remain!"
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Kaytwo posted:We must also thank Mr. Sharpton for having alerted us all to the horrors of the “rich white boys” on the Duke University lacrosse team who gang-raped a black stripper in 2006. Sure, it turned out to be another hoax that dragged several innocent young men through a cesspool of pain and public humiliation—but hey, the noble quest for racial justice is bound to spit out a few collateral victims every now and then. No omelet can be made without breaking an egg or two. Great morals in the quest for racial justice is shaming one side of the argument. 
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I wonder if the guy writing that article considered how institutional racism intended to prevent blacks from excelling and achieving success in life may result in greater poverty among blacks, which (combined with a general disdain for the poor among the people who write laws) in turn results in a greater proportion turning to crime to sustain themselves and out of bitterness against a system stacked against them from the start? .....nah.
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Evil_Greven posted:It's an article in the New York Times, not a blog or opinion piece. Yeah not saying I doubt it, but I just wish we had more to go by. Like by law enforcement do they mean FPD or he Feds r what? It's not all that clear. TrixR4kids fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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chitoryu12 posted:I wonder if the guy writing that article considered how institutional racism intended to prevent blacks from excelling and achieving success in life may result in greater poverty among blacks, which (combined with a general disdain for the poor among the people who write laws) in turn results in a greater proportion turning to crime to sustain themselves and out of bitterness against a system stacked against them from the start? The best part is the writer discredits their entire article at the bottom by pointing out the reasons the numbers are so skewed is because black and white populations don't have much contact.
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Kaytwo posted:Oh, sure, the nitpickers will point out that during the same five-year period, blacks in the U.S. committed, on average, some 327,900 assaults annually against whites—meaning that about 898 of every 100,000 blacks nationwide assaulted a white victim at some point each year. In other words, statistically the average black was nearly 27 times more likely to assault a white, than vice versa—898 versus 33.5 (out of every 100,000). The author didn't show their work, but I'm fairly sure you don't just divide crimes by population and leave it at that, especially when you shift from number of crimes to number of criminals. A few really violent people would make the whole population seem more violent, which is an important thing to leave out if you're trying to prove number of criminals based on number of crimes.
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"criminals turn to crime to sustain themselves" is something that comes up pretty frequently in D&D and I'd like to see someone post some statistics about it, because I'm pretty sure it's bullshit.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Are we just emptyquoting random tea party blogs now? That guy is the resident gbs white supremacist so ask him.
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-Troika- posted:"criminals turn to crime to sustain themselves" is something that comes up pretty frequently in D&D and I'd like to see someone post some statistics about it, because I'm pretty sure it's bullshit. There are a lot of different types of crime, hope this helps
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From the St.Louis Post Dispatch. Grand jury in Michael Brown case: 3 black members, 9 white.quote:The demographics roughly reflect the racial breakdown of St. Louis County's population, which is about 24 percent black and about 68 percent white. Grand Juries serve much longer terms than average juries so, they tend to be comprised of older citizens, sometimes retired, who can afford to devote the time necessary to serve on the Grand Jury.
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Tenzarin posted:Great morals in the quest for racial justice is shaming one side of the argument. Popular Thug Drink posted:The author didn't show their work, but I'm fairly sure you don't just divide crimes by population and leave it at that, especially when you shift from number of crimes to number of criminals. A few really violent people would make the whole population seem more violent, which is an important thing to leave out if you're trying to prove number of criminals based on number of crimes.  'd hard lolAlso cute how you quoted that poo poo as if I wrote it lmao
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Is every one of the cops in St Louis racist shits? http://www.mediaite.com/tv/officer-who-pushed-don-lemon-relieved-of-duty-after-racist-rant-emerges/ I mean for gently caress's sake, can they not hide it a bit better? quote:The same St. Louis police officer who was seen on CNN earlier this week pushing Don Lemon back during a live broadcast from Ferguson, Missouri, has been relieved of his duty after video emerged of an hour-long speech he delivered railing against African-Americans, the LGBT community and President Barack Obama. CNN reported the news about Officer Dan Page, who made the controversial remarks at an Oath Keepers meeting just months ago.
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Kaytwo posted:During the most recent five-year period for which single-offender, interracial crime statistics are available I'm curious about this, and the overall methodology. From a cursory examination of the Bureau of Justice report for 2008, it says in chart 42 that of all violent crimes perpetrated against whites, 67.4% where by other whites, and 15.4% by blacks; and for those against blacks, 15.9% where perpetrated by whites and 64.7 by blacks. So, blacks are slightly more likely to be victims of violent crimes by whites than the reverse. Yet this chart also has numerous places where it says the statistics are based on a sample size of 10 or fewer? So I'd say maybe the sourcing here isn't greattttttttt. Big surprise.
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chitoryu12 posted:I wonder if the guy writing that article considered how institutional racism intended to prevent blacks from excelling and achieving success in life may result in greater poverty among blacks, which (combined with a general disdain for the poor among the people who write laws) in turn results in a greater proportion turning to crime to sustain themselves and out of bitterness against a system stacked against them from the start? Aside from that, that theft or other injuries against black people tends to be considered justified by the system. If we look at statistics like, "how many black physicians let syphilis run its course in white patients vs the reverse." Or fines black people pay vs white people who committed the same crimes. Or money wrongfully but legally taken from blacks vs whites via civil forfeiture. Or any of the legion of reasons that a poor white person is far more likely to have money somewhere in their extended family than a poor black person is
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-Troika- posted:"criminals turn to crime to sustain themselves" is something that comes up pretty frequently in D&D and I'd like to see someone post some statistics about it, because I'm pretty sure it's bullshit. uh...why do you think that's bullshit exactly?
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I've reread the relevant bit a few times in disbelief but this idiot seriously wrote that in the last 5 years of acted or threatened sexual assault against black people 0.0% of it was by white people. I hope I'm misreading that because gently caress me how can that bullshit get printed?
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Hi... I got lost and ended up in gbs.. is this where we can think and have rational discourse and poo poo? without loving racewar boners?
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"The numbers, after all, don’t lie." Interesting statement, seeing as though the whole article doesn't spell out how it operationalizes the variables "crime", "violent crime", and "sexual offense". Like, I doubt if this guy actually went through most of the numbers too carefully to make his point, but say you have an agenda, like, perhaps, an intense dislike of civil rights and black people. You could do very well for yourself by cherrypicking statistics that seemingly back up your points but don't reflect the reality you are trying to construct. Say that those 30.000 white on black crimes were very serious, violent crimes, conveniently omitting all the less serious offenses whites inflict on blacks in a five year period. Then you take a holistic, broadly-defined concept of crimes committed by blacks against whites, including robbery, assault, looking at funny, being black in the vicinity of, etc., and plot it into the same series as the previous one. Voila, you have just lied, using numbers. -Troika- posted:"criminals turn to crime to sustain themselves" is something that comes up pretty frequently in D&D and I'd like to see someone post some statistics about it, because I'm pretty sure it's bullshit. No one in the history of humanity ever stole any food or money in order to eat it or use it on food to stave off starvation. I'd like to see someone post some statistics about it, because I'm pretty sure it's bullshit. murphyslaw fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Vitamin P posted:I've reread the relevant bit a few times in disbelief but this idiot seriously wrote that in the last 5 years of acted or threatened sexual assault against black people 0.0% of it was by white people. The report I was looking at had that in a lot of places, but with the asterisk saying it was based on a sample size of <10.
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nthalp posted:Hi... I got lost and ended up in gbs.. is this where we can think and have rational discourse and poo poo? no you want a discussion with actual living people that's not on the internet
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Vitamin P posted:I've reread the relevant bit a few times in disbelief but this idiot seriously wrote that in the last 5 years of acted or threatened sexual assault against black people 0.0% of it was by white people. Probably the same way a Very Serious NPR story about Social Security Disability took its primary pool of anecdotes from a poor, mostly black county in the south. Then proceeded to make every single one that was about a black person come across as "lazy rear end in a top hat exploiting the system" and the single positive anecdote about a white person. And printing the words of an old, white judge in the county as though they were free from any possible bias on the issue.
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Ernie Muppari posted:no you want a discussion with actual living people that's not on the internet so far... no.. not in like the outer world.. no intelligent life there
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Lyesh posted:Probably the same way a Very Serious NPR story about Social Security Disability took its primary pool of anecdotes from a poor, mostly black county in the south. Then proceeded to make every single one that was about a black person come across as "lazy rear end in a top hat exploiting the system" and the single positive anecdote about a white person. And printing the words of an old, white judge in the county as though they were free from any possible bias on the issue. That was a joint This American Life - Planet Money abortion. They used almost the exact same audio clips except Ira Glass edited his to be more Ira Glassy and Planet Money edited theirs to be more gently caress the poor. Ira Glass stood by his factually incorrect story because Ira Glass is a douche.
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nthalp posted:so far... no.. not in like the outer world.. no intelligent life there yeah in that case you're pretty much out of luck then 
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murphyslaw posted:Like, the whole 'Brown bullrushed Wilson, he had to shoot him!!' narrative comes from Wilson's wife, who (iirc) told it to another person who then called it in, and this caller was used as a reliable source for a while.
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Wadjamaloo posted:This is so ridiculous to me. I don't understand how Wilson has become his own corroborating witness. Racists / cop apologists and their willingness to believe only what they think should be true.
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Kaytwo posted:Let the fireworks in D&D begin. David Horowitz was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine, Ramparts. He is the author, with Peter Collier, of three best selling dynastic biographies: The Rockefellers: An American Dynasty (1976); The Kennedys: An American Dream (1984); and The Fords: An American Epic (1987). Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, he and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.” His latest book is Take No Prisoners: The Battle Plan for Defeating the Left (Regnery Publishing).
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Kaytwo posted:Let the fireworks in D&D begin. 100% of all nazis and neonazis have been white.
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