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Jerkface posted:I feel like Ive been waiting so long for anything Wraight/Abnett/ADB to drop, has anything good come out recently? Wraight dropped Stormcaller a few weeks ago. It's a sequel to Blood of Asaheim.
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VanSandman posted:Wraight dropped Stormcaller a few weeks ago. It's a sequel to Blood of Asaheim. Sick, thats what I'm talkin about. I feel like BL has gotten really stagnant on releases lately, how is the HH ever going to finish? Or Gaunts Ghosts 
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Jerkface posted:Sick, thats what I'm talkin about. I feel like BL has gotten really stagnant on releases lately, how is the HH ever going to finish? Or Gaunts Ghosts The Heresy series is never gonna end, friend. It's making way too much money.
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Help me thread, I'm considering ordering the special edition of Talon of Horus.
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VanSandman posted:Help me thread, I'm considering ordering the special edition of Talon of Horus. Don't! You've got too much to live for! Like...I dunno, beer and chips or something!
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maev posted:Man Emperor's gift was pretty hilarious. Did the Space Wolves just decimate a grey knights / inquisitorial fleet?. Being immune to the warp and psykers means dick when you are in orbit of a Space Wolf fortress that is beyond heavily armed and filled with a bunch of mean mother fuckers who have already decimated an entire planet of psykers. That...and when Bjorn asks you The gently caress do you idiots think your doing....you rethink your life choices
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VanSandman posted:Help me thread, I'm considering ordering the special edition of Talon of Horus. have you seen Sonic's extended hotdog menu? Think how many different hotdogs you could try out with that much money!
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Jerkface posted:Sick, thats what I'm talkin about. I feel like BL has gotten really stagnant on releases lately, how is the HH ever going to finish? Or Gaunts Ghosts Stormcaller is exactly what you want, classic bolter porn, good twists with the characters, the Ecclesiarchy being bastards, and Space Wolves being Space Wolves.
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VanSandman posted:Help me thread, I'm considering ordering the special edition of Talon of Horus.
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SRM posted:I'm really looking forward to that book, but the regular edition drops in November IIRC. Just wait, it's not like it's going to become a family heirloom or anything. But it's got an extra story in it!
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VanSandman posted:But it's got an extra story in it! Which will be released at some point later.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:45
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berzerkmonkey posted:Which will be released at some point later. For  , most likely.
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Granted, but it will still be cheaper than the sixty-five dollars they are charging for the limited edition.
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maev posted:Man Emperor's gift was pretty hilarious. Did the Space Wolves just decimate a grey knights / inquisitorial fleet?. Yeah it's pretty hysterical. The Inquisition had so many chances to de-escalate the conflict but made pretty much the stupidest possible mistakes at every single turn. Declaring war on a First Founding Chapter? I mean, really?
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Scintilla posted:Yeah it's pretty hysterical. The Inquisition had so many chances to de-escalate the conflict but made pretty much the stupidest possible mistakes at every single turn. Declaring war on a First Founding Chapter? I mean, really? I thought that was the best part, really - it captures that special brand of stupid/tragic you mostly see in history books. Which is what fantasy writing should be all about.
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Talon preorder is up for those with poor purchasing decisions. http://www.blacklibrary.com/Home/the-talon-of-horus-first-edition-hjjhg.html
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berzerkmonkey posted:They are very evil, and that's why ADB wrote down the awful things they do - to remind you of their evil. It still made it impossible for me to want anything other than Talos and his goony band to get destroyed though. The fact that they seem to just shrug off anything resembling danger until the last half of the last book is pretty blah as well. Maybe Gaunts ghosts and it's GRRM levels of main character slaughter skewed , but the Night Lords have teminator thick plot armour. Spuckuk fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Azubah posted:Talon preorder is up for those with poor purchasing decisions. I really, really, really hate exclusive things when that exclusive thing is a story. A book publishing company is purposefully only releasing 1500 copies of a story. How does that make any sense? I get a limited edition like figurine or something, but a story? We just want to read the stories, BL 
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Spuckuk posted:It still made it impossible for me to want anything other than Talos and his goony band to get destroyed though. The fact that they seem to just shrug off anything resembling danger until the last half of the last book is pretty blah as well. I liked the book series but at the same time I agree with this opinion.
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Jerkface posted:I really, really, really hate exclusive things when that exclusive thing is a story. A book publishing company is purposefully only releasing 1500 copies of a story. How does that make any sense? I get a limited edition like figurine or something, but a story? We just want to read the stories, BL Don't worry, they'll probably have it up for sale as a $5 'eShort' or stuck into an anthology within a year. It's pretty crappy but unfortunately they do this because people actually buy this stuff.
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Cream_Filling posted:Don't worry, they'll probably have it up for sale as a $5 'eShort' or stuck into an anthology within a year. It's pretty crappy but unfortunately they do this because people actually buy this stuff. Have they released other stories which they say they will never ever release ever again before?
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Jerkface posted:Have they released other stories which they say they will never ever release ever again before? Not that I recall - everything seems to make its way into a collection at some point down the line. It may be a couple of years, but all this special stuff shows up again.
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Azubah posted:Talon preorder is up for those with poor purchasing decisions. I was weak willed. I am sorry, thread.
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maev posted:Sold out in 4 hours gently caress lol woww
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I don't know why they don't release the normal versions of the book a week later or something. poo poo is going to be all over the internet in a few days.
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maev posted:Sold out in 4 hours Thank you masses for preventing my weak will from buying this boredsatellite fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Lyer posted:I don't know why they don't release the normal versions of the book a week later or something. poo poo is going to be all over the internet in a few days. Well that would involve a business strategy meant to maximize sales and ensure a talented up-and-coming author in one's library gets compensated accordingly. The joke is that it is GW we are talking about
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Spuckuk posted:It still made it impossible for me to want anything other than Talos and his goony band to get destroyed though. The fact that they seem to just shrug off anything resembling danger until the last half of the last book is pretty blah as well. That's usually the case for in every book series; can't have a next chapter is all the fan favorites die, or get changed so much it's not the same story anymore. That said, the Night Lords trilogy is far from the worst offender, or even a jaywalker in that regard. They get stomped regularly, are often depicted as a resource-poor and fading warband whose only real assets are the Exalted's mastery of void warfare and Talos' gift, and their body count due to internal strife and sheer bungling is almost comedic. The first book sees them lose a ground war and escape with heavy losses. The second has them on the brink of collapsing completely: ship falling apart, no ammunition, having to raid poorly-defended stations and barely managing, Uzas crazier than ever, two claws coming to blows with one being wiped out as well as Talos losing an arm and nearly dying, and even when they try turn the tables the still lose their ship, and have burned bridge with both Abaddon AND Huron, not to mention losing the Exalted and the whole Atramentar. The third is basically a coin toss to see if the death of the warband will be ignoble or epic. Even Talos' prophecy goes away and they literally have only their hate left. It has them at their lowest ebb, and also at their most evil. Taken a single narrative, their graph is a sharply descending curve from beggining to end. I don't even know if there's any other BL series that can claim the same.
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I've obviously got a dog in the fight on the anti-Imperial side, so I don't expect anyone to take my opinion uncritically, but I think that while I'd agree that Talos & co. are shown to be horribly, almost irredeemably evil, it's interesting to stop and consider how that's a function of the way they get presented. That is, their baby-killing, skinning-pit ways are foregrounded for the reader to see; few if any words are minced. I'm not sure I've ever seen an ecclesiarch's rationalizations for burning young women alive (for example) similarly foregrounded and digested, even though we know that it's A Thing That Happens in the setting. When Imperials are shown to be morally abhorrent, as opposed to just Grimaldus-style disconnected from human morality, it usually takes the form of the "bad apples" whom our plucky heroes are seen duly struggling against, like the Jantines or Cuu from the Ghosts series, for example. Probably the closest I've seen BL fiction come to honestly hitting on the abhorrent attitudes that the Imperium is capable of fostering are things like Wraight's Iron Hands tales, and while I think he does a lovely job of painting an appropriately horrifying picture in those instances, it seems to get glossed over in the broader moral milieu that I perceive.
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Out of the books I read. The only group of Chaos that has any real sympathy in the long term of evil for necessity was the Thousand Sons. They don't really hate the Imperium. Just the Wolves. In Exile it seemed to be implied there was some regret in the Legion among some of the remaining, non insane/mutated, marines. I still hold a belief that a What If book involving the Thousand Sons would be interesting. If they surrendered wholly and were taken to Terra. How different the war would have turned out.
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EyeRChris posted:Out of the books I read. The only group of Chaos that has any real sympathy in the long term of evil for necessity was the Thousand Sons. They don't really hate the Imperium. Just the Wolves. In Exile it seemed to be implied there was some regret in the Legion among some of the remaining, non insane/mutated, marines. I found it confusing and a little annoying how McNeil did Thousand Sons. If Magnus was so hellbent on warning the Emps about Horus, so hellbent he blatantly defied the edict, spent the lives of thralls to traverse the warp, destroy the golden throne project, earn his fathers ire AND have Russ sicked on him, why then would he sulk in his tower and let the woofs destroy them? If you're going to go through all of that to warn your dad that his favored son is going to ruin everything, why not take the opportunity of having another primarch and the better part of his legion speed you to Terra to tell him yourself? Although I suppose this was done because the thousand sons were traitors by the time the book was written and this book explained how they came to be traitors.
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I don't know what book some of you were reading, but the Space Wolves get owned in The Emporer's Gift. Granted much of it is due to Inquisition dickery, but if Bjorn hadn't of jumped in Logan would've toasted Hyperion and there would of been no one to call off the orbital bombardment on Fenris. Honestly, the best parts of the book involve them killing Angron, and people teasing Hyperion about his junk in the starship troopers coed showers. I want the HH to end simply so Abnett and ADB can go back to focusing on their own poo poo instead out being the guys who patch together all the plot holes, and keep the ship afloat for everyone else. Being an Ultramarines fan it was nice having Dan Abnett breath some life into them, but Unremembered Empire was easily one of his worst books yet, and you can tell this simply because he got stuck with tying all the various plot threads together. It'd be nice if this meant we are going to get well on our way to Terra, but unfortunately I feel like having 3 primarchs on Maccrage means we are going to get a bunch of World Eaters/Word Bearers vs Ultramarines/Angels shadow crusade bullshit before the Lion runs off to Caliban, Sanguinius goes to Earth, and some silly plot device keeps Guilliman on the Eastern Fringe. Just give me the second Pariah book, I'm loving that series.
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Hey, I liked unremembered empire. Dan Abnett's books are great because you -know- when you read them something big is going to happen / be changed in the warhammer 30k universe. The problem is when a lesser author gets hold of the reigns they have to play so by the book hardly anything gets to happen other than bad bolter porn.
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maev posted:Hey, I liked unremembered empire. Dan Abnett's books are great because you -know- when you read them something big is going to happen / be changed in the warhammer 30k universe. The problem is when a lesser author gets hold of the reigns they have to play so by the book hardly anything gets to happen other than bad bolter porn. Well it's Abnett, so I hold him to a higher standard. Him at what I feel is his low is still above the rabble by miles. I mean McNeil's Vengeful Spirit was bland as all get out minus the parts near the end where Loken and Horus exchange words. The rest was completely irrelevant...the House Devine, the Death Company, etc all just pointless and uninteresting. At least when Abnett wastes 50 pages talking about someone who dies in a single paragraph he does it in such an interesting way that you felt it was worth your time. Not to mention as I pointed out before Unremembered Empire is like 75% batman Kurze it just gets freaking old. Kurze I'm just frankly sick of reading about, ADB can write about his motives all he wants, but at the end of the day he is just a madman. Any other primarch I rather read about. Hell, Roboute essentially still has his living adoptive mother/wet-nurse...if there was ever a chance to humanize the Primarchs and make them more interesting that would've been a good time. Why not talk about their families? The Emporer has children from mortals running around, why not the Primarchs?
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I just want more Petrurabo. The way he was characterized in Angel Exterminatus was great and I want to see more of the guy
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I have to admit, Kurze in Unremembered Empire is a little much. Abnett's comic book roots are pretty heavy in his depiction with all the foresight fighting and shadow moving while beating up primarchs left and right. He's good friends with ADB so he probably was bigging up his mate's pet legion's primarch. On that front I couldn't help notice ADB's Dan Abnett reference in Emperor's gift, where he metinons Ravenor's works being 'required reading' for everyone in the 'subsector'. 
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