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SoftDrink posted:So i just got back from my local game store after looking at the new Daemon Hunter book(aka Grey Knights). I was going through it with some of my friends and we feel that its really bland all the cool named characters are gone and it all kinda seems lacking in the cool stuff category. I was wondering if any of you that have seen the book and have a similar or different opinion? The inquisition stuff got put into its own codex a few months back so now the GK codex is just GK units. If you want to use inquisitors and retinues you need to ally them in.
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The Assassins codex is pretty hilarious. You can ally 1 assassin or take a formation of all 4 (570 points). Either way, you get a bonus VP if an assassin takes out the enemy warlord, and the formation gets Preferred Enemy (Warlord).
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Aug 23, 2014 06:08
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Does the Eversor explode again? This is important.SRM posted:I'm painting the Hellbrute from DV, and I don't know if it's just because I've been painting models older than the target audience of this game, but this thing's obscenely detailed. There's so much banding and tentacles and eyes and weird poo poo all over the place.  Only 20 more to go. They're going to pal around with Kharn in a big, dumb blob.
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Aug 23, 2014 06:48
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Of course, the large amount of sculpted detail on the DV Chaos models makes a wash/dip approach to painting them look better if anything, as there's so much for the shading to pick out compared to e.g. the relatively flat surfaces of a loyalist marine. If you want to detail all the filigree and spikes by hand, though, then yeah, you've got your work cut out for you.
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Aug 23, 2014 06:53
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Safety Factor posted:Does the Eversor explode again? This is important. S5 AP- D6" He also overwatches at his full BS8, and does 8 S5 power sword attacks on the charge from 3D6 away (cumulative), ignoring the penalty for difficult terrain. Fix fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Fix posted:S5 AP- D6" Good.  Being ridiculous is the whole point of 40K assassins. They are there to fight fire with fire, herohammer with more herohammer.
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Aug 23, 2014 07:20
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The vindicare is clearly meant to be able to allocate every shot he makes. He's supposed to be the best loving sniper around Anyone who argues that point is going to get a swift kick to the scrunt. Any more details about their points and stats?
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Aug 23, 2014 07:38
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Vindicare is 150 points. They all have a profile of 8 8 4 4 3 7 4 10 4++.
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Aug 23, 2014 07:47
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It's the Culexus that blows my mind. All CC ignores armor, 6's on the wound roll are ID, and any wounds against psykers are ID. Psykers within 12 are -3Ld, don't generate warp charges, can only harness warp charge points on a 6, cannot target the Culexus with any psychic abilities, and just moving within 12" immediately cancels any blessings or maledictions. Also, any attacks against a culexus are treated as if you have BS/WS 1. Always. And the Animus Speculum fires in the psychic phase (leaving her still able to shoot/run) totals the Mastry Level of every psyker within 12", Plus another 3 dice out of your own warp charge pool and fires that many 18" S5 AP1 shots. Weirdly though, it does not seem to actually have any close combat weapons.
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Aug 23, 2014 07:48
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Vindicare is 150 points. Hot drat son! Time to get ahold of this dataslate.
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I picked up the dataslate since I was curious and wanted to add an assassin to my army. I was originally unimpressed with the fact that the Eversor could overwatch at full BS. Turns out he shoots his pistol 4 times and can switch between the bolt and needle options. The Eversor looks like it'd be a ton of fun to field, but it's the Culexus that's a goddamn beast. Oh, and the only assassin that's in stock is the Vindicare, but he's boring. I wanted an exploding maniac.  JerryLee posted:Of course, the large amount of sculpted detail on the DV Chaos models makes a wash/dip approach to painting them look better if anything, as there's so much for the shading to pick out compared to e.g. the relatively flat surfaces of a loyalist marine. If you want to detail all the filigree and spikes by hand, though, then yeah, you've got your work cut out for you.
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Aug 23, 2014 08:04
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Safety Factor posted:I picked up the dataslate since I was curious and wanted to add an assassin to my army. I was originally unimpressed with the fact that the Eversor could overwatch at full BS. Turns out he shoots his pistol 4 times and can switch between the bolt and needle options. The Eversor looks like it'd be a ton of fun to field, but it's the Culexus that's a goddamn beast. Would you say it's worth it for a tenner?
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Aug 23, 2014 08:26
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Is the Callidus assassin still broken?
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Aug 23, 2014 08:28
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SoftDrink posted:Is the Callidus assassin still broken? Sounds like sour grapes. It gets to deploy from any board edge from reserves or infiltrate within 1" of an enemy unit. On the turn it does, it can only be snap-shot at. Re-roll the Seize the Initiative roll. Also your opponent is at -3 for their first reserve roll (which seems kinda dumb, to be honest) The Neural Shredder is Poison 4+ AP2. The Phase Sword is AP2 and 6's to wound ignore invulns. Regardless of that she's also got a 3+ poison rending weapon. Nothing she does is any good against vehicles.
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Aug 23, 2014 08:46
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My understanding is that it's the Cullexus that's the true winner here; I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up quite often.
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Aug 23, 2014 09:33
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[quote="The Sex Cannon" post="43386ti Any NOVA/DC/MD goons want to get a game in this weekend? I need to practice 7th edition for the upcoming NOVA Open. [/quote] I don't know if someones already answered you, but I live in Fairfax and would be down to play. I don't have a car this weekend though, and also work nights so either sleep.almost of the day or am just tired. Phoneposting also blows. PM me!
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Aug 23, 2014 11:44
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Lord Twisted posted:The vindicare is clearly meant to be able to allocate every shot he makes. You'd think that, but until it gets errata'd people are going to argue this point until the cows come home. And good loving luck on GW fixing it in a timely manner. Both his weapons have Sniper, so having Deadshot as a rule would be entirely pointless UNLESS it works on every successful to-hit roll, not just a 6. But hey it wouldn't be the first time that a unit got a redundant rule.
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Aug 23, 2014 12:34
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When I was using the vindicare, the debate in my group was whether it's shooting attacks were S 4d6 or S 3+4d6. Glad to see rules for what should be a simple unit are still messy.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:44
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I just don't understand how people argue these points. The old rule for turbo shot was clearly s3+4d6 as it was a sniper weapon which did 4d6 pen rather than the normal 1d6 pen.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:57
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Lord Twisted posted:I just don't understand how people argue these points. The old rule for turbo shot was clearly s3+4d6 as it was a sniper weapon which did 4d6 pen rather than the normal 1d6 pen. I totally agree with you, but I played a few people at a GW store who were pretty adamant the other way. Hams being hams, I suppose. These new rules kick butt. Time to dust off my old assassins / death cult assassins list and make it work again!
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Lord Twisted posted:I just don't understand how people argue these points. The old rule for turbo shot was clearly s3+4d6 as it was a sniper weapon which did 4d6 pen rather than the normal 1d6 pen. i thought the eventually FAQ'd it to be the other way
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Aug 23, 2014 14:43
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Do these assassins have eternal warrior? Eitherway, their stats look awesome for their points.
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Aug 23, 2014 14:45
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I noticed that the new Culexus rules have Preferred Enemy (Psykers). There's also a Lictor formation with Preferred Enemy (Characters + ICs). How does that work against mixed units? You could quite easily have a Psyker/Character/IC in a squad without any of those rules.dichloroisocyanuric posted:Do these assassins have eternal warrior? Nope, and they're only T4 W3 with a 4++. Not too hard to kill. The Culexus forces attacks on him at WS/BS1, but you can still use blasts+templates well enough.
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Fix posted:It's the Culexus that blows my mind. All CC ignores armor, 6's on the wound roll are ID, and any wounds against psykers are ID. Psykers within 12 are -3Ld, don't generate warp charges, can only harness warp charge points on a 6, cannot target the Culexus with any psychic abilities, and just moving within 12" immediately cancels any blessings or maledictions. Also, any attacks against a culexus are treated as if you have BS/WS 1. Always. And the Animus Speculum fires in the psychic phase (leaving her still able to shoot/run) totals the Mastry Level of every psyker within 12", Plus another 3 dice out of your own warp charge pool and fires that many 18" S5 AP1 shots. It should have never been made. It takes the fun out of the game, it makes me not want to play people who field them because it hard counters my entire army (and at least 2 others), and it proves GW bias. I really despise myself for getting so deep into 40k just to have it bite me.
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Can you take more than one assassin, or is it still an 0-1 type choice?
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The Gate posted:Can you take more than one assassin, or is it still an 0-1 type choice? Two Feet From Bread posted:Yea, that model should be 300-350 points, a Lord of War, and limited to 2000+ games.
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Two Feet From Bread posted:Yea, that model should be 300-350 points, a Lord of War, and limited to 2000+ games. No one would take this thing as a LoW. 350 points? Are you insane? What does it hard counter except for GK, who will just template or blast a T4 model off the table? Daemons? A 50S RAYGUN fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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It's not that bad. Seriously, it only has a 4+ and yes you shoot at it with BS1 but even then that's still not that terrible. Yeah, it hard counters several armies but it's not like impossible to kill , a Squad of Screamers blasting over it can manage to murder it. It also cannot ever join a squad so it's just on it's lonesome. I think the assassins are kind of balanced. Yeah their very powerful but they should be. They all though have pretty easy counters. I have not seen it in book form but I can say it sounds like anything that's AV and charges it will tie it up. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Aug 23, 2014 15:34
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Shoot it with a lasgun. Problem solved.
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reagan posted:I'm replaying Dawn of War II and I'm really enjoying it. Are Chaos Rising and Retribution worth purchasing? Two Feet From Bread posted:It should have never been made. It takes the fun out of the game, it makes me not want to play people who field them because it hard counters my entire army (and at least 2 others), and it proves GW bias. I really despise myself for getting so deep into 40k just to have it bite me. JerryLee posted:Of course, the large amount of sculpted detail on the DV Chaos models makes a wash/dip approach to painting them look better if anything, as there's so much for the shading to pick out compared to e.g. the relatively flat surfaces of a loyalist marine. If you want to detail all the filigree and spikes by hand, though, then yeah, you've got your work cut out for you.
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It's weird that they gave the Culexus both the rule that says anyone attacking it is BS/WS1 and also gave it Fear. Am I forgetting something extra about the Fear rule, or is that just completely redundant? I guess it could be effective to cause Fear in a unit you are assaulting with multiple units...
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Fix posted:It's weird that they gave the Culexus both the rule that says anyone attacking it is BS/WS1 and also gave it Fear. Am I forgetting something extra about the Fear rule, or is that just completely redundant? I guess it could be effective to cause Fear in a unit you are assaulting with multiple units... Makes the enemy ws1 for the culexes striking back at them?
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Oh. Right. Duh.
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SRM posted:If you're playing the campaigns, Chaos Rising is definitely worth it. It continues the story from DoWII and some of your choices and equipment carry over. It's a great expansion pack. Retribution has the most fun multiplayer I've ever experienced in an RTS, but unfortunately the community died off after Starcraft II came out. The campaign in Retribution is really lovely, but there's some entertainment in the dialogue and such. The actual gameplay of the campaign is shallow and they just remix the same handful of missions for every army available to play as. For anyone that hasn't played Retribution, it is totally worth it for the Ork campaign. It's easily the best. 
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I painted another one. More pics in the Models thread.
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Safety Factor posted:For anyone that hasn't played Retribution, it is totally worth it for the Ork campaign. It's easily the best. serious gaylord posted:I painted another one.
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serious gaylord posted:I painted another one. That really is an amazing job what was your hours spent on it?
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SRM posted:The campaign is just Attack+Move from point A to point B pretty much endlessly, and even on very hard you can do that. It bummed me out, especially when in vanilla and Chaos Rising you had to be smart and use terrain to your advantage. That being said, the Ork characters are great and really funny. The campaigns are alright. Am I the only person who enjoyed last stand more, though? You couldn't binge on it but it was always a good time with a couple friends.
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Ignite Memories posted:The campaigns are alright. Am I the only person who enjoyed last stand more, though? You couldn't binge on it but it was always a good time with a couple friends. I still occasionally play Last Stand with friends. It can be really, really fun and I'd definitely put it above the campaigns. They were pretty lackluster and only the Ork campaign was any good, but that was just from entertainment factor. The space marine campaign was alright if you absolutely had to finish the storyline from DoW2 and Chaos Rising. Still, I do miss the regular multiplayer and I'd happily play again if I had a group. I'd still be terrible too.
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I never really got the appeal of Last Stand. It's fun for a few rounds but it's really repetitive. Given my utter and absolute disdain for MOBAs, I just think that sort of game isn't for me.
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