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There's some great Mods for DOW as well, I mean their still are people who release mods for it. I know there's a Tyranid and Tau added mod as well as a turn based mod and then just general big mods that add more units and change the game.
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serious gaylord posted:Is there any way to get Dawn of War to work on Windows 8? It just crashes on startup. Uninstall windows 8 and install windows 7.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Uninstall windows 8 and install windows 7. This is helpful feedback. He should actually just install Linux *shits pants* E: If you're getting the "Spooge" driver error message, there's a fix posted on Relic's forums http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?269472-Spooge-driver-not-found-Verify-that-DirectX-is-properly-installed TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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SRM posted:If you're playing the campaigns, Chaos Rising is definitely worth it. It continues the story from DoWII and some of your choices and equipment carry over. It's a great expansion pack. Retribution has the most fun multiplayer I've ever experienced in an RTS, but unfortunately the community died off after Starcraft II came out. The campaign in Retribution is really lovely, but there's some entertainment in the dialogue and such. The actual gameplay of the campaign is shallow and they just remix the same handful of missions for every army available to play as. Yeah, I'm playing single player. Anything special I should do in the vanilla campaign that carries over to Chaos Rising? I'm near the end of the campaign.
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reagan posted:Yeah, I'm playing single player. Anything special I should do in the vanilla campaign that carries over to Chaos Rising? I'm near the end of the campaign. SRM posted:I never really got the appeal of Last Stand. It's fun for a few rounds but it's really repetitive. Given my utter and absolute disdain for MOBAs, I just think that sort of game isn't for me. 
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Safety Factor posted:Nothing carries over between the two. You're fine to do whatever. I had a Farseer build that was straight up unkillable and could buff and quick revive allies, needless to say I had to change it to get past the doppelganger stage.
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Aug 23, 2014 20:12
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Safety Factor posted:Nothing carries over between the two. You're fine to do whatever. I liked the Ork Kommando who would throw a random grenade, and the grenade could explode into more grenades, a bunch of tires, or a bunch of Rippers.
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Did anybody pay for the Tau Commander Last Stand add-on? How was he? The Hive Tyrant felt like it fell off pretty hard in the later stages but all the others seemed alright.
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panascope posted:Did anybody pay for the Tau Commander Last Stand add-on? How was he? The Hive Tyrant felt like it fell off pretty hard in the later stages but all the others seemed alright. One of the better designed heroes. He's super fun and pretty drat good. The Hive Tyrant needs some gimmick build (pet bombs if I remember) to be effective from start to finish, but to be fair he's not the only one.
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SoftDrink posted:So i just got back from my local game store after looking at the new Daemon Hunter book(aka Grey Knights). I was going through it with some of my friends and we feel that its really bland all the cool named characters are gone and it all kinda seems lacking in the cool stuff category. I was wondering if any of you that have seen the book and have a similar or different opinion? Sadly, I am pretty strongly in this camp. Aside from the unique detachment, which is admittedly fairly cool, the GK book is really, really bland and is basically just a stripped-down version of what was there before. They added some weak relics/warlord traits and called it a day. WAR FOOT posted:My understanding is that it's the Cullexus that's the true winner here; I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up quite often. The Culexus definitely has some potential, but if his gun is as short-ranged as before (18" I believe) he's gonna struggle to affect the battlefield much. And, like the other assassins, he's just not THAT tough at the end of the day, so laying a S8 blast onto him or whatnot is quite doable. For my money, the Callidus is where it's at. Snap Shots the turn she arrives, deploy literally anywhere, AP2 flamer, ID and poison in close combat, utility stuff tagged on even for when she gets killed. I think the big problem the assassins will struggle with is getting into position, the Callidus just completely ignores that part. Fix posted:It's weird that they gave the Culexus both the rule that says anyone attacking it is BS/WS1 and also gave it Fear. Am I forgetting something extra about the Fear rule, or is that just completely redundant? I guess it could be effective to cause Fear in a unit you are assaulting with multiple units... Beyond what was already mentioned, the enemy failing a Fear check will allow other units you have to hit on 3s as well.
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The new dataslates are cool to me because they remind me of my lists when I first started playing where I'd cram in an inquisitor lord and Callidus Assassin into every list. Now I can do that and it won't be so awful.
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It feels like something from 2nd edition. I like them. They're not crazy overpowered because they can never ever hide in a squad so that's really good. Callidus only being hit on 6s the first turn is some good survivability. To me the Callidus seems the one to be the most useful, I mean it screws up reserve rolls, screws up seize the initiative, can come on from the back field from reserve etc.. etc..
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The GK special characters seem quite good to me. Draigo has perhaps the best artifact weapon other than Drach-nyen, and even then it's a close call. Crowe is a beast with AP2 attacks and re-rolling either his 2+ or his 4++ in challenges: he'll eat supposed uber-duellist Lucius like a light snack, and Kharn as well nine times out of ten. Librarians can abuse the hell out of Sanctic and bring in some Divination as well so your force weapons, be they ranged or CC, hit as much as they can. Gimmicky or broken stuff like Pychostroke grenades and psybolt ammo are gone, but there's a lot of strong stuff left. Even a list not centered around boosting warp charged will dominate the pychic phase handily most of the time. Combine it with the improved Assassins and Inquisition dataslates, or even just plain Astra Militarum, and there's a ton of stuff to do. It's low that they completely borked paladin lists, which were a huge portion of why people played GK, but it was not really unexpected. I really miss the art from the old codex model, though. Also, has anyone else noticed how the vehicle paintjobs in the book pictures looks...really, really lame? Just flat metal with a few heraldic symbols. Looks really different from the infantry armor color style, and it bugs me.
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Two Feet From Bread posted:Yea, that model should be 300-350 points, a Lord of War, and limited to 2000+ games. Has anyone said please source your quotes yet?
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Sephyr posted:The GK special characters seem quite good to me. Draigo has perhaps the best artifact weapon other than Drach-nyen, and even then it's a close call. Crowe is a beast with AP2 attacks and re-rolling either his 2+ or his 4++ in challenges: he'll eat supposed uber-duellist Lucius like a light snack, and Kharn as well nine times out of ten. Librarians can abuse the hell out of Sanctic and bring in some Divination as well so your force weapons, be they ranged or CC, hit as much as they can. Draigo has good fightin' stats and his fixed psychic powers help, but he's still expensive and you have to buy an HQ in addition to him- that's close to 400pts down the drain before you even add a troop model to your army. With the drop from T5 he's much less able to shrug off all those S8 AP2 shots that are the bane of a Paladin unit and while he is putting out a good number of high-strength high-WS attacks, at the end of the day he is pretty identical to the various other 2+/3++ models that strike at initiative and wound on 2s. He's certainly not bad, but he's a huge investment. Psybolt wasn't broken because of any inherent function of +1Str, it was broken because it cost 5pts on vehicles. No one (outside of GW) ever thought that was a fair price for it, but it would've been wholly possible to re-price it such that it was fair and balanced. S5 Storm Bolters didn't break the game. Dreadnoughts and Razorbacks and Stormravens with "Psycannons" on them didn't break the game; hell, even S6 Heavy Bolter Razorbacks were merely good, not horrifically unfair. Changing Psybolt to be 10-30pts, depending on the chassis, and giving it a "per model" cost on nonvehicles would have been entirely doable. But apparently coming up with more than one number is beyond GW's capability, so they shitcanned it. GK don't dominate the psychic phase at all- they have a lot of defensive psychic strength, but in terms of active psychic powers they actually fall well below Eldar, Daemons, Tyranids, Inquisition, and arguably even CSM and IG. Despite having an army full of psykers, their actual psychic offense is pretty much limited to their HQ models- the fact that all of your squads are throwing in a warp charge die just makes up for the fact that you don't have cheap/easy access to psykers elsewhere like the above armies do. And GK pay a lot for their warp charge dice- 110pts for a Strike Squad is your minimum entry point, and in 7E all of the "built in" stuff like Force and Hammerhand is actually kinda useless most of the time because you won't have the dice to activate all of them every turn.
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What difference does S8 AP2 make to a T4 model with Eternal Warrior over a T5 model? Both wound on 2's, yeah?
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Fix posted:What difference does S8 AP2 make to a T4 model with Eternal Warrior over a T5 model? Both wound on 2's, yeah? Correct, no functional difference.
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AbusePuppy posted:..110pts for a Strike Squad is your minimum entry point... You know i never noticed, until you pointed it out, that GKs have gone from a codex that had some of the most varied troops choices and coolest FoC shenanigans, to being on par with SoB in terms of boring rear end no choice lists. Do they really only have access to marines or terminator marines as troops now?
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So what's new with the Vindicare? Inquiring minds (My friend reading over my shoulder) wish to know.
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Moola posted:You know i never noticed, until you pointed it out, that GKs have gone from a codex that had some of the most varied troops choices and coolest FoC shenanigans, to being on par with SoB in terms of boring rear end no choice lists. Yes cause they're phasing out the FOC shenanigans. Orks have gretchin and orks. SW have grey hunters and blood claws, when codex space marines rolls around for an update it'll be tacticals and scouts. And it doesn't really matter anymore cause everything scores.
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Fix posted:What difference does S8 AP2 make to a T4 model with Eternal Warrior over a T5 model? Both wound on 2's, yeah? When he is hanging with the standard Paladin unit and benefiting from the Apothecary, it means he can't take FNP against the S8 hits anymore. That's about 50% more wounds than he would suffer compared to last time around. Acebuckeye13 posted:So what's new with the Vindicare? Inquiring minds (My friend reading over my shoulder) wish to know. His statline is the same, but with an extra wound. All his shots (except snap shots) are Precision, and he imposes a -2 penalty to LOS! rolls to avoid them. So long as he isn't making snap shots, his stuff ignores cover saves. He still has his special ammo, but now they are a choice between wound on a 2+, ignore invuln saves, and do two wounds/be S10 vs vehicles. He's 5pts more than he used to be, and he will essentially always have Preferred Enemy (Warlords).
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In short, he's exactly what he should be. The coolest sniper guy.
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Man, I'd pay 5 points to give Illic Nightspear all these abilities.
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serious gaylord posted:I painted another one. Chaos Lord Diomedes?
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AbusePuppy posted:Draigo has good fightin' stats and his fixed psychic powers help, but he's still expensive and you have to buy an HQ in addition to him- that's close to 400pts down the drain before you even add a troop model to your army. With the drop from T5 he's much less able to shrug off all those S8 AP2 shots that are the bane of a Paladin unit and while he is putting out a good number of high-strength high-WS attacks, at the end of the day he is pretty identical to the various other 2+/3++ models that strike at initiative and wound on 2s. He's certainly not bad, but he's a huge investment. Fully agreed on psybolts. Scaling them better to who was firing them would have been a much better solution, but it might require, like, 5 -days- of playtesting, which is clearly about 6 days too much. I think they dropped Draigo to T4 because it cheaper to have an apothecary atached to him now, he's still amazingly durable and killy, with his 2+/3++ (so jealous of that combo with my CSM), and able to reach S10 at I5 with his AP2 sword, meaning he'll often get to cause instante death even without turning on his force weapon, which is something those other 2+/3++ guys with Burning blades can't do! And as long as your second HQ is functional, I don't see a 400 point investment in HQs as a waste (assuming a 1850 point game here). Librarians are amazing buff sticks and mesh well with Draigo. Your Deny the witch is more reliable, so you have more dice to spare for channeling the key powers of your strtegy. Even having the specials characters with fixed powers is nice as it lets you do what few other can, which is to pick a power set for a specific strategy (though I'll admit there's not that much variation in the case of GKs).
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How's the fluff in the new GK codex?
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Shadeoses posted:Chaos Lord Diomedes?
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What are some funny things we can put in a Space Wolf drop pod. You could go with a Guard special weapons team with 3 Demo charges, a pod of Jokaero Weaponsmiths, and a pod of Bullgryns.
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Cataphract posted:Yes cause they're phasing out the FOC shenanigans. Orks have gretchin and orks. SW have grey hunters and blood claws, when codex space marines rolls around for an update it'll be tacticals and scouts. Eh.. them being scoring is a benefit of FOC shenanigans but really it's getting above the 0-3 limitation that's cool , being able to have 5 Bike Squads in a army etc.. Things being scorings not that big a deal. SoftDrink posted:What are some funny things we can put in a Space Wolf drop pod. You could go with a Guard special weapons team with 3 Demo charges, a pod of Jokaero Weaponsmiths, and a pod of Bullgryns. The answer is always Apes with laser rifles.
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AbusePuppy posted:When he is hanging with the standard Paladin unit and benefiting from the Apothecary, it means he can't take FNP against the S8 hits anymore. That's about 50% more wounds than he would suffer compared to last time around. Ah, see there it is. Cheers.
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AbusePuppy posted:And GK pay a lot for their warp charge dice- 110pts for a Strike Squad is your minimum entry point, and in 7E all of the "built in" stuff like Force and Hammerhand is actually kinda useless most of the time because you won't have the dice to activate all of them every turn. Also, I'm interested in opinions on Interceptor squads: I'm assembling some of my knights and was planning on magnetizing the backpacks so I can run either Strike or Interceptors. Has anything changed with them aside from the loss of psibolt?
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Sephyr posted:And as long as your second HQ is functional, I don't see a 400 point investment in HQs as a waste (assuming a 1850 point game here). Librarians are amazing buff sticks and mesh well with Draigo. Your Deny the witch is more reliable, so you have more dice to spare for channeling the key powers of your strtegy. Even having the specials characters with fixed powers is nice as it lets you do what few other can, which is to pick a power set for a specific strategy (though I'll admit there's not that much variation in the case of GKs). That's still eating up 1/5 of your list even in a game that size, though, which can be a pretty big disadvantage. And 1850 is a pretty large points value- playing at 1750 or 1500 is quite common for a lot of people, and in a game that size Draigo is even less worth considering. I like the idea of special characters with fixed warlord traits/powers being a thing because it opens up design space for building lists around specific abilities, although admittedly that space only exists because GW is so deep into the "randumb is fun!!!!1" concept. Karl Rove posted:Wait, did they increase the cost of Strike squads in the new codex? Before they were 100 points base. Yeah, they went up 10pts because of the sergeant tax now. Lots of other squads got similar small bumps, although some of them (like Purifiers) also saw small cost-per-model reductions alongside it, so base cost for the squad is often similar. For Interceptors, the loss of Psybolt and the change of Psycannons to Salvo is a huge strike for their old role of "teleport in, gently caress up some tank's rear arc." It can still potentially be done, but power armored models with Psycannons are pretty unimpressive now. On the other hand, Incincerators are only 5pts, so the ability to jump up and flame some guys out of cover is much better than it was before. I don't think it's 135pts worth, but it's at least a use they have. AbusePuppy fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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AbusePuppy posted:
They can bring a teleport homer when they move around the battlefield, allowing for pinpoint deployment of stronger units while they toast foot soldiers.
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Very unethused by the GK codex, okay my prediction for September is the rerelease of Necron in 7th edition.
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crossposting from the painting thread, I've finally made some significant progress on my friend's 3 Imperial Knights and magnetized to fit the big annoying cannon-things:  he wants heat-staining on the melta guns:  this was all Minitaire paints with Ghost Tints to make the staining - I did the same thing on the exhausts  and all lacquered up, so I can take a break to watch the F1: 
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Stop making me want to buy an airbrush!  Good work on the Knights.
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Hollismason posted:Eh.. them being scoring is a benefit of FOC shenanigans but really it's getting above the 0-3 limitation that's cool , being able to have 5 Bike Squads in a army etc.. You're acting like the FOC is the same as it was in 6th. if you want to run more elites then run multiple detachments unbound or in the case of GK the nemesis strike force detachment. I really don't understand how folks complain about changes to the game/codexes when those changes have been mitigated by changes to the basic rules months ago. Being troops is not a big deal anymore, following the FOC is not a big deal anymore.
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