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There are plenty of good X-books, just don't bother with Bendis. Read X-Factor and X-Force, or Magneto's and (Young) Cyclops' solo books. The only good 616 Bendis books worth reading since Siege have been Ultimate Spider-Man. Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Yeah, Bendis' Uncanny has had two separate hosed Up Powers plots - one where the Phoenix Five (excep Namor, and including Magneto, for... some reason) are having trouble controlling their powers, and a second one where the Sentinels would show up and the X-Men's powers would get hosed up (even more, I guess). Beast's nanomachine thing was intended to address the latter but not the former. If it was nanomachines Magneto would presumably have been able to detect them immediately.
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Aug 24, 2014 03:42
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Aphrodite posted:If it was nanomachines Magneto would presumably have been able to detect them immediately. That's actually what I was thinking, going back to Morrison's X-Men..but then again, Bendis doesn't give a poo poo about how anyone else has ever written characters/plots.
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Aug 24, 2014 03:56
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Martinpale posted:That's actually what I was thinking, going back to Morrison's X-Men..but then again, Bendis doesn't give a poo poo about how anyone else has ever written characters/plots. I mean, I'm sort of enjoying elements of his run, but It Was Dark Beast All Alone! and through the power of time travel, a piece of paper makes it out of a shield helicarrier are pretty 'I don't a fuuuuuck' moments.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:18
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Aphrodite posted:If it was nanomachines Magneto would presumably have been able to detect them immediately. You could make a case - if you were feeling charitable towards Bendis - that Magneto's powers being hosed up post-AvX gave Dark Beast an opportunity to infect him with nanomachines without Magneto noticing, and once he was infected they prevented him from spotting them. Or, given Dark Beast's history as a geneticist, just use non-ferrous nanoassemblers, which is more likely anyways. But that would be putting in a lot more thought than I suspect Bendis did.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:26
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:You could make a case - if you were feeling charitable towards Bendis - that Magneto's powers being hosed up post-AvX gave Dark Beast an opportunity to infect him with nanomachines without Magneto noticing, and once he was infected they prevented him from spotting them. Or, given Dark Beast's history as a geneticist, just use non-ferrous nanoassemblers, which is more likely anyways. Hell, if we're putting more thought into it, just say that the Phoenix 5's powers are hosed because of Beast bringing the young x-men to the present, and explain Magneto/Magik's as some sort of timefuckery that happened to young them as a result of Beast's timefuckery. God forbid it actually make at least a little sense..it would also explain why Namor wasn't affected.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:50
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I'm sure he actually has a reason for the power thing. If nothing else, because of how unimportant its been. Emma is using telepathy anyway because she just gets into the Cuckoo Hive Mind, and as long as everyone ducks first Cyclops' blasts work just fine. If it was meant to be a new status quo, it would probably be an issue more.
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Aug 24, 2014 05:42
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 Alright. Which Magneto stories do I read?
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Aug 24, 2014 18:23
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Maxwell Adams posted:
Read the new series by Cullen Bunn, it's only 8 issues in.
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Aug 24, 2014 20:20
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"Well, yknow, Ultimate Spider-Man is like Bendis' one good remaining book so maybe this issue won't suck" Nope, it still sucked. God drat what was I thinking that Bendis could refresh himself with a new landscape of X-Men after his Avengers ran just ran out of steam. I really need to stop reading these books. I mean 31 of these loving issues have come out of ANXM and it seems like almost nothing has happened of any real consequence.
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Aug 28, 2014 11:27
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notthegoatseguy posted:"Well, yknow, Ultimate Spider-Man is like Bendis' one good remaining book so maybe this issue won't suck" I feel exactly the same way with UXM. I mean, what has actually happened? All I remember is some stuff about dodgy powers, Dark Beast was involved somehow and...what else? Anything? Oh yeah, Goldballs.
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Aug 28, 2014 13:03
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How could you miss the torrid romance of Kitty Pride and totally not a self-insert Starlord? Or how that dirty old creep, Professor X, what a jerk, married Mystique and had a kid with her (who is just a clone of him) because that's totally the sort of thing he would do? And the Future Brotherhood? And the character find of the 21th century, Goth Dazzler, she's edgy as gently caress man? And the young X-Men who are all so hip? And remember that time they kidnaped Jean Grey for no good reason so there could be a crossover and she got new powers?? Like, holy poo poo, new powers that make her pink! How could you forget all these exciting developments, memorable characters and lost lasting developments?
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Aug 28, 2014 13:12
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I am getting the feeling either the death of Wolverine ends the Schism, or, as it seems may be par for the course with Bendis, it ends because the original X-Men go back at some point and everything is magically different immediately after to just wipe the slate without having to explain much because "time travel" (also, there is no explanation why nothing is different for anyone else but the X-Men).
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Saoshyant posted:How could you miss the torrid romance of Kitty Pride and totally not a self-insert Starlord?
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Aug 29, 2014 00:26
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One of the things I hate most about Kitty is the number of writers who obviously still have the hots for her from back when they were hitting puberty. It's creepy.
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Aug 29, 2014 02:41
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SirDan3k posted:One of the things I hate most about Kitty is the number of writers who obviously still have the hots for her from back when they were hitting puberty. It's creepy. 
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Aug 29, 2014 06:51
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Bobby/Kitty was the only relationship of hers I have ever liked.
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Aug 29, 2014 08:35
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Rick posted:Bobby/Kitty was the only relationship of hers I have ever liked. Bendis kind of ruined that. If memory serves he started writing them as together before Aaron even got to there first date in WatXm.
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Rhyno posted:Bendis kind of ruined that. Kind of? Ha, that's funny. "Bobby, I hate your guts! You did not agree with my decision to ruin the entire space-time continuum." "Kitty, you didn't even give me a chance to talk about your decision of putting the entire space-time continuum in the hands of five kids!" "Well, tough luck. I'm going out with Starlord."
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Aug 29, 2014 15:32
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I'd go out with Starlord too. Bobby's kind of a putz.
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Starlord will never be good enough for the super hacker genius ninja that is Kitty Pryde only 616 Kong can tame such a woman.
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So the "Death" for Wolverine wasn't a literal death but a figurative death? Did I understand that right? Holy poo poo if thats the case gently caress Wolverine in his loving face.
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SalTheBard posted:So the "Death" for Wolverine wasn't a literal death but a figurative death? Did I understand that right? Holy poo poo if thats the case gently caress Wolverine in his loving face. Nah it hasn't happened yet. It'll be this month. Edit: I should say September, I mean.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:06
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Codependent Poster posted:Nah it hasn't happened yet. It'll be this month. O ok that makes me feel a little better.
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SalTheBard posted:So the "Death" for Wolverine wasn't a literal death but a figurative death? Did I understand that right? Holy poo poo if thats the case gently caress Wolverine in his loving face. Morrison came up with the idea of arcs about the hero dying which don't actually feature the heroes dying. And it was terrible when he did it too.
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Other than the first 18 issues, Aaron, and the two Millar runs what issues are worth getting in the sale of Wolverine on comixology?
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We got preview copies of DoW #1. I dug it.
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So I've never really read X-anything except for some All-New X-men. Every page of this thread seems to wobble between utterly loathing each individual comic and liking it - is there any consensus on what recently-started comics are worth reading for a new reader? I'm not super interested in reading stuff from like 5+ years ago. It seems harder to figure out which x-men comics to read as there are so freakin many of them and the quality seems to be incredibly inconsistent even within the same name, as they constantly cycle writers.
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Jason Aaron's run on Wolverine and the x-Men is pretty consistent, with maybe a couple dips in quality, but on the whole worth reading. I've been enjoying All New for the most part too. The current X-Force run keeps getting better, and you should probably read Si Spurriers run on X-Men Legacy for some excellent Legion shenanigans. Think those are the making good things from the last few years, x-wise. I really liked Gillen's run on Uncanny but that's pre AvX so maybe too early for what your after?
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Is there some reason you aren't interested in reading stuff from 5 years ago? Because like any era, there will be some good and some bad. I honestly can't speak highly of any of the current X-books except for Storm, and that could be mostly low expectations. It has potential to be good and it is doing well so far. But I've been burned before. I'm also not that into Amazing X-Men or Nightcrawler but they aren't offensively bad like Bendis' X-Men run has been. Mike Carey had a pretty strong run on various X-Men comics. He recently released a graphic novel but the name of it escapes me at the moment. He wrote (Adjectiveless) X-Men in the lead up to Messiah Complex. That book was later re-branded X-Men: Legacy and basically is a Xavier solo book and is a great run. It is followed up with what is essentially a Rogue solo run which is also good but I think is a bit different. Xavier is very much out on his own during that time while Rogue is (mostly) involved in the X-Men, and a good chunk of it is her leading her own team.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Is there some reason you aren't interested in reading stuff from 5 years ago? Because like any era, there will be some good and some bad. I honestly can't speak highly of any of the current X-books except for Storm, and that could be mostly low expectations. It has potential to be good and it is doing well so far. But I've been burned before. I dunno, it's just a little less interesting when it's already long over and done with and I know most of the major stuff that's gunna happen. I've been spoiled pretty thoroughly on older x-men stuff. Plus, for whatever reason, I've found myself liking the feel and style and art of a lot of the recent marvel stuff compared most older comics I've read - it's just a preference rather than any specific reason I could point out why I find it harder to get into older comics. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Remender's X-Force is pretty drat good writing and art. I just read Marjorie Liu's X-23 run and I found it very good. It made me care about a character who was first described to me by a friend as an "emo-goth chick". Fun supporting cast, too. Simon Spurrier's X-Men Legacy is very much self-contained and amazing. I liked Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men run. The very fact that it lasted 40-ish issues in this age of relaunches and early cancellations was quite a feat, too. Also check out Magneto's solo book, too. He's quite the stone-cold killer there.
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Schneider Heim posted:Remender's X-Force is pretty drat good writing and art. I'll check some of those out. I've noticed the short comic thing, too - A good number of the really good comics I've found and enjoyed are just quick 12 to, if they're lucky, 20ish before being ended or swapping authors. Cycling authors and stories around is good and all but I feel like they don't give enough time to a lot of them - an issue of a comic can fit in a whole lot less than even a 30 minute episode of television, and yet even single-season TV shows end up with more entire episodes than you have issues. It feels like you just start to know the characters and then suddenly it's already over.
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Wolpertinger posted:I'll check some of those out. I've noticed the short comic thing, too - A good number of the really good comics I've found and enjoyed are just quick 12 to, if they're lucky, 20ish before being ended or swapping authors. Cycling authors and stories around is good and all but I feel like they don't give enough time to a lot of them - an issue of a comic can fit in a whole lot less than even a 30 minute episode of television, and yet even single-season TV shows end up with more entire episodes than you have issues. It feels like you just start to know the characters and then suddenly it's already over. I'm a fairly new comic reader myself (started this January), and my inference is that comic book readership has been on the decline since the 00s, so publishers can't afford to keep putting out a book that isn't selling very well. Some are perfectly fine comics that never got an audience due to low name recognition. Sucks but that's how things are nowadays. (I mean, X-Man ran for 75 issues back in the 90s!) That, and modern comic book storytelling is more on "writing for the trade", that is, story arcs are intended to be collected and read in TPBs. Comics used to be a lot more compressed. (A classic example is Spider-Man's origin in Amazing Fantasy vs Ultimate Spider-Man, which told the same thing in 6 issues). Someone set me straight on this though.
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Schneider Heim posted:I'm a fairly new comic reader myself (started this January), and my inference is that comic book readership has been on the decline since the 00s, so publishers can't afford to keep putting out a book that isn't selling very well. Some are perfectly fine comics that never got an audience due to low name recognition. Sucks but that's how things are nowadays. (I mean, X-Man ran for 75 issues back in the 90s!) Relaunches have been a big thing for 15 years or so, basically when marketing people realized that a #1 sells a lot better than a #70, they started coming up with reasons to renumber. There was always the argument that new readers don't want to jump into a comic at #70 also, which probably has some validity though personally I never had that problem if I was interested in the comic itself, I started with FF#350 and Spider-man #360~, both of which I followed almost til #400 before my local store stopped carrying them. I actually like the renumbering more, I wish they'd do more to highlight the writer instead of volume numbers, but I like that its a bit easier to collect a full run of something that way. I like the idea of renumbering for each new writer.
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Honestly, if they just made online versions of all comics accessible immediately and instantly at the same time as the physical copies, for the same or less price, actually advertised this service, and had guides on the website and/or in the comics themselves on good starting points for each series, instead of requiring research, I could see sales skyrocketing compared to what they have now. Hell, isn't Ms. Marvel selling by the truckload and almost all of it's digital sales? Maybe throw in some freely downloadable issue #1s of big series to get people hooked. I can't ever really see myself actually ever regularly going to a comic book store in person to buy a single week's worth of books. TPBs sometimes maybe, but even then I'd prefer it digitally and would probably just snag end up snagging it over Amazon anyway if it had to be physical. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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They do do all that. Even heard a radio ad talking about All New X-Factor and Moon Knight. Comics just aren't the boyhood staple they used to be.
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Die Laughing posted:They do do all that. Even heard a radio ad talking about All New X-Factor and Moon Knight. Comics just aren't the boyhood staple they used to be. Not in any meaningful fashion. Advertising and online is definitely barely focused on. Especially if the radio is what they are using as their advertising tool. DC had a couple commercials around the relaunch, but that stopped pretty quickly. Though apparently marvel is doing something towards getting comics back into convenience stores, so that might change.
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Wolpertinger posted:I can't ever really see myself actually ever regularly going to a comic book store in person to buy a single week's worth of books. TPBs sometimes maybe, but even then I'd prefer it digitally and would probably just snag end up snagging it over Amazon anyway if it had to be physical. You're just not buying enough books then!
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I much prefer digital comics and wish it was day and date, which sucks because I WISH I preferred comic shops because it was a place I love to go and get lost in and I could spend hours and hours in one. But for various reasons, owning physical comics is really inconvenient and also, I actually prefer reading on my computer or ipad. I'd pay more for a day and date version of marvel universe, whereas the 99 cents was a waste of money for the service as is. E: I guess this is a derail, apologies.
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