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Anidav posted:I'm pretty sure they shot it down but will hold a conscience vote at "some point" which will probably maybe happen like the Liberal Party's one. There's significantly above-zero chance of me getting into a punch-up with the ETU thugs in my branch over this at the next meeting. "We will always support any measure that gives a greater say to rank-and-file members in the choice of parliamentary leader" - Idiots trying to recruit me to the Left a year ago. gently caress off. But then again I'm also loving appalled at the intimidatory tactics used by my own faction in trying to document certain delegates' votes on party leadership election. Half of QYL desperately needs to chill the gently caress out, while the other half needs to pull their fingers out and actually start doing stuff. Happy about gay marriage and onshore processing, though.
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There's also no active Minister for Finance, since Sinodinos is lying low due to ICAC. Cormann's probably got a good reputation within the party too. Treasurers are virtually never booted. They might quit, or be forced out due to a scandal, but it's essentially a leadership position and forcing out your own treasurer would look terrible.
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Lid posted:They're trying to restart the budget emergency narrative but they haven't realised that they have lost not just the battle but the war over the budget. Mathias is the attempt because he doesn't have the stigma of Hockey but no one in the public is buying it and they have no idea what to do (usually they'd threaten a double dissolution in cases like this except every other party knows a DD favours them so instead they're just now threatening to cut funding to things for no reason). They're taking some bipolar approach where they're saying on one hand they're totally ready to sit down to negotiate and compromise with the senate and then on the other hand making all these threats about what they'll do if it doesn't go through.
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There's those guys who are chill as gently caress and don't care about factions. And then there's those Daffy Ducks that point fingers and curse "The socialist left!!!" The left isn't really all that socialist, it just isn't Tory, nor is it third way so the poor fellas don't know how else to classify it without resorting to red scare.
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#Galaxy Poll NSW State Primary Votes: L/NP 45 (+2) ALP 35 (-2) GRN 11 (0) #nswpol #auspol Nsw is hosed if this happens even after all of the ICAC stuff.
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Scylo posted:#Galaxy Poll NSW State Primary Votes: L/NP 45 (+2) ALP 35 (-2) GRN 11 (0) #nswpol #auspol hahahahahhaha lose a whole region's worth of MP's to corruption gain 2 points in primary vote nsw.txt
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Abbott's pride and not wanting to look like Labor is what's somehow holding the party together. I have this suspicion that he's squirreled himself away behind Credlin to the point where she's flat out keeping the hounds at bay and he's so lost for actual advice he's left to blunder in front of the press. There also appears to be a disconnect between what he says and his ministers actually do. In some way he seems to trust his ministers to carry out their tasks with minimal consulting "do what we were voted to do" and then not really realize the damage they've done until it's nearly too late when he has to quietly step in and stop them. Their tactic now is to attempt to instill fear into the senate by raising taxes and then blame the "obstructionist greens/labor/pup" for the reason. September is going to be quite interesting. With a DD the party still has enough seats to take a blow and, hypothetically, if they loose Hockey, Pyne, Morrison, Brandis and Abbott the party can still vote in a replacement leader, which could end up being Turnbull, and still lead with a minority. The likelihood is they end up having to do a mini budget, much like Howard did in the 70's, along with bitterly conceding defeat with PPL combined with asking the RBA for the loan to be repaid to make things look a bit better.
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quote:#Galaxy Poll NSW Better at fighting corruption: Baird LIB 43 Robertson ALP 15 quote:#Galaxy Poll NSW State 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 55 (+2) ALP 45 (-2) #nswpol #auspol 
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Is there a way to see how many films were produced in Australia last year, and which company produced them? The whole last week has been nothing but Village Roadshow pissing and moaning about illegal downloads 'killing the industry' and 'costing us jobs' and I am wondering just how many movies they produced in australia in recent times and how many of them have been downloaded. Their own numbers are 25% of people are illegally downloading movies, which still leaves a fairly significant chunk of presumably old and young stupid people who cant figure out bit torrent for them to leech $25 per DVD out of and $20 a movie ticket. I mean we know that piracy isnt the problem and being tougher on it isnt the solution, I just want to prove that they dont really give a poo poo about the Australian Film Industry they claim to be protecting.
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Scylo posted:#Galaxy Poll NSW State Primary Votes: L/NP 45 (+2) ALP 35 (-2) GRN 11 (0) #nswpol #auspol I got this custom title (and a poorly written PM!) from Cat Terrist after his house nearly burned down in the last round of bush fires and I pointed out that he voted for the party who defunded the rural fire service two weeks prior. These are the kinds of people who vote in NSW. The NSW ALP isn't very nice, but plenty of idiots are convinced they're the worst thing ever so nothing the LNP does, up to and including letting your house burn down, is anywhere near as bad. There is a huge number of people in this state who hate the ALP so much that even after this season of ICAC they will unironically say "they aren't as bad as the other mob!" ...then their McMansions will burn down because the firies coming up from Victoria can't afford the toll on the Joe Hockey Memorial Expressway. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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TobyObi posted:https://www.news.com.au/finance/rea...l-1227034374596 I really don't understand how anyone but the already wealthy affords housing here. I ran into a guy I went to uni with a few weeks ago, he was commuting from Kwinana to Morley (to give an idea of how far that is, it's a ~45 minute drive assuming no traffic, god knows how long that was taking him on public transport) every day for work because the only house he could afford to rent was under the rental affordability scheme. Meanwhile, some mutual friends of ours are out househunting and the places in their pricerange are either massive shitholes with serious structural/cosmetic problems, or 1 bedroom apartments. My partner and I decided to take a look at the real estate pages just a few days ago, and found that everywhere we actually wanted to live was far too expensive to even entertain the idea of buying. Hurray, forever renting!
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Scylo posted:#Galaxy Poll NSW State Primary Votes: L/NP 45 (+2) ALP 35 (-2) GRN 11 (0) #nswpol #auspol That is insane, just pure insanity. Maybe democracy is the wrong system after all.
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Lid posted:John Robertson is somehow even more invisible than Bill Shorten. That's because he's a shitheel who knows better than to bring attention to himself.
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Haters Objector posted:i don't know what the margin of error is on that poll but it's almost certainly >=2 so keep your monocles out of your champagne flutes everyone 3-4% or so, probably. The result is still fairly bewildering.
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Laserface posted:Is there a way to see how many films were produced in Australia last year, and which company produced them? Village Roadshow is partnered with the US producers and distributors so when every you see them speaking, or suing, it's on behalf of Hollywood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Cinemas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Roadshow_Pictures I haven't read it for awhile, but torrentfreak was a pretty good source for info. As mentioned there by their work Australia was responsible for about 11% of global Game of Thrones torrenting, so I'd call bullshit on 25% of people regularly downloading movies. It's all nonsense anyway, it's the same  consumers wont take our products on our terms we saw from the music industry and we know how that went for them. The iinet decision really set them back so they want legislation and wont play ball with anything less, hence the boycott of Malcolm's Q&A.
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Laserface posted:Is there a way to see how many films were produced in Australia last year, and which company produced them? At the moment success are coming through TV rather than cinema, also it's the main market for greater audience accessibility via VOD and DVR. Gatsby made back $25,282,416 in Australia, just sitting behind Hunger Games and The Hobbit (around $35 mil each) - so it's a bit rich to claim piracy is killing this off by any measure. It's not actually piracy, it's piss-poor advertising where people don't actually realize the films are out there and miss their limited release, so they end up pirating it as it's the only way to see it as they don't want to sign up to an overpriced VOD service. To say they're supporting is a pretty thin excuse, Roadshow is likely lobbying Brandis to death to protect their own interests, they also have to compete with FOX and other studios to distribute other box office hits. Sadly the reality is that it's a pretty depressing outlook. The massive funding cuts looking to stifle the small boom that's going on in Australian production where we finally had enough resources on hand to start taking chances and are starting to create some pretty solid stuff. The effect as of next year is going to cut the legs away from emerging film development facilities (such as the MRC in Adelaide) and the the only way to get something going is to be an established independent production firm that you have found outside investors for. The indie market has pretty much been delegated to "oh you've got a DSLR and kickstarter, you'll be right" when you really need much more support.
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Annabel Crabb posted:Browsers of the Australian Women's Weekly in March 1967 might have been intrigued to notice – at the bottom of page 33 – an article entitled "All The World's A School".
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Doctor Spaceman posted:3-4% or so, probably. Labor still has the stench of the previous government and especially Eddie Obeid and Joe Trapodi. Also the current leader of the NSW Labor party is a guy who "forgot" to report to anyone that he was offered a $3,000,000 bribe.
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Ragingsheep posted:Labor still has the stench of the previous government and especially Eddie Obeid and Joe Trapodi. Yeah, Labor's primary vote should be in the toilet, I'm just surprised the Coalition's isn't.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, Labor's primary vote should be in the toilet, I'm just surprised the Coalition's isn't. Yeah, this is mostly what I'm surprised about. I'd have expected at least a bit of a bump for the Greens. Maybe a lot of people are expecting Clive to run candidates.
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Gough Suppressant posted:I actually don't understand that article at all. Yes but only conservatives where born to rule.
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gay picnic defence posted:So with all the talk from the LNP about raising taxes and gutting uni funding if their budget doesn't get passed, do they actually have any way to raise taxes and gut uni funding if they don't have control of the senate? Research funding is regulatory, as far as I'm aware. Also, a bunch of education cuts and the CSIRO cuts went through in the supply bills, and can probably go through again if need be next year.
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The 'threat' of raising taxes is pretty funny. I imagine Labor would support it if for no other reason than they'll get a chance to cut them again next time they're in government.
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Still don't understand the threat from Pyne over research cuts to universities, while trying to get those same universities higher up in the world rankings. I haven't seen anything in the media, but Monash Uni which was in the top 100 last year has dropped out of it this year. Expect other unis to do the same if Pyne gets his way. So much for getting more jobs through new research results, this government doesn't give a poo poo about anyone bar Murdoch and themselves.
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No I had no idea that the campaign I was assisting to fund through Buildev was LNP affiliated. *counsel reads out text messages* Yes I knew at all times that the campaign I was assisting to fund through Buildev was LNP affiliated. 
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Gough Suppressant posted:No I had no idea that the campaign I was assisting to fund through Buildev was LNP affiliated. *LNP polling in NSW moves up one*
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To be fair, world university rankings are a complete joke and anything that lessens the focus on them (as opposed to improving things like general student and research outcomes) is a good thing. An example of why world university rankings are hodgepodge: many of the ranking systems involve heads of departments of unquestionably elite universities (think Ivy League, MIT, Stanford, Oxbridge etc) ranking a whole poo poo-ton of universities around the whole with respect to their fields. Problem is, these department heads aren't really familiar with that many other departments and after 20-30 they are essentially throwing darts at a dartboard. A huge proportion of people contributing to the Monash sub/super-100 decision would have no idea whatsoever about the research going on at Monash. This doesn't even touch upon the stupidity of how people (e.g. Pyne) are typically only concerned with a universal ranking instead of rankings for particular fields/disciplines, or that a single rank that tries to incorporate research outcomes, student teaching quality, graduate quality, facilities etc is just absurd. It's all a gigantic pissing contest (and it's so surprise that it's something that Pyne is interested in). Furthermore, as you say, it's not one that Australia is ever going to come close to winning without massive funding increases. Even then it's very difficult to compete with hundreds of years of recognition that the "elite" universities have for being so. Even if Melbourne (Australia's great hope!... that is considered "meh" by most prominent academics) suddenly ranked at the top in all these world rankings, it's still not going to have the "presige" of places like the Ivies and Oxbridge.
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Captain Pissweak posted:He's honest when pressed with overwhelming evidence, you've got to give him that. For a lot of these people lying to ICAC brings a stiffer penalty than whatever they've actually done. Shakugan posted:This doesn't even touch upon the stupidity of how people (e.g. Pyne) are typically only concerned with a universal ranking instead of rankings for particular fields/disciplines, or that a single rank that tries to incorporate research outcomes, student teaching quality, graduate quality, facilities etc is just absurd. Grog posted:We have five universities in the top 50 for medicine, computer science, English literature and earth sciences. We have six in the top 50 for economics, seven in the top 50 for civil engineering, and eight in the field of psychology. When it comes to law we have a pretty astounding five in the top 25. In education we actually have four universities rated in the top 10 worldwide (Melbourne comes second overall). Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Captain Pissweak posted:He's honest when pressed with overwhelming evidence, you've got to give him that. It's sad when that's actually refreshing compared to 'I don't recall'.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:For a lot of these people lying to ICAC brings a stiffer penalty than whatever they've actually done. drat, how did I miss that article the first time around? Total takedown by Greggles.
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