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Zachack posted:Tater's entire argument is that Marvel is pretending to be more pro-women than DC, but that's not really true because if you go back 7 or 11 years there are covers that are just like the Manara cover, and the Manara cover shows that really Marvel hasn't changed at all. I'm saying that the Manara cover doesn't bear that out. Well that is silly, Marvel is pretending to be more pro women. The fact that they are still doing what they are doing reinforces that notion, not contradict it. edit: Though that does explain why I was confused. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well that is silly, Marvel is pretending to be more pro women. The fact that they are still doing what they are doing reinforces that notion, not contradict it.
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Aug 25, 2014 03:13
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Zachack posted:So you disagree with the idea that a company can be socially better than another company even if the first company doesn't perfectly adhere to purity standards? You love your tangents. They can be, but its harder to judge unless one side is comically socially evil. They might be slightly better, but I don't think so really. They seem to understand they should be appealing to women but they don't really understand how or why they should be, just that they should be. Racism tends to follow a similar path.
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Aug 25, 2014 03:18
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CharlestheHammer posted:You love your tangents.
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Aug 25, 2014 04:03
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Zachack posted:How is this a tangent? You weren't actually arguing that Marvel was better than DC unless saying they are still doing what they are always doing is somehow arguing that they are better than DC. I mean granted I am not 100% what you are arguing but I know its not that.
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Aug 25, 2014 04:05
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Tangent was pretty great 
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Rhyno posted:Tangent was pretty great A superhero team with four people whose only power is to shrink would be awesome.
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Aug 25, 2014 07:21
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:A superhero team with four people whose only power is to shrink would be awesome. Wasn't there a group like that in The Atom for a while there, government employees who stole Atom's shrink-powers to go be micro-spies or something?
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Aug 25, 2014 07:32
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Rhyno posted:Tangent was pretty great
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Aug 25, 2014 12:47
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I'm going to be making the BSS Fantasy Football league for this season shortly, does anyone have a preference on Yahoo vs. ESPN?
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CharlestheHammer posted:You weren't actually arguing that Marvel was better than DC unless saying they are still doing what they are always doing is somehow arguing that they are better than DC. I mean granted I am not 100% what you are arguing but I know its not that. Marvel IS doing better than DC. The existence of a cheesecake variant cover for a book does not negate the existence of Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, or the new Thor series. Even if the entire book is lovely cheesecake (a distinct possibility, given Land) it doesn't negate the good stuff they're doing. Good stuff which, I might add, DC is still not doing any of whatsoever.
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Aug 26, 2014 00:26
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Good stuff which, I might add, DC is still not doing any of whatsoever. Sure, they've got a lot of positive press about the Batgirl soft-reboot. Granted, they've also assigned Finch to Wonder Woman, purportedly with a mandate to "bring it into line" with the rest of the New 52, so I guess it's a case of easy come, easy go.
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Aug 26, 2014 00:50
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CapnAndy posted:I'm going to be making the BSS Fantasy Football league for this season shortly, does anyone have a preference on Yahoo vs. ESPN? YAHOO! I'm in and will own again.
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Aug 26, 2014 00:58
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They're also giving Catwoman and Supergirl to new female writers in the next runs.
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Aug 26, 2014 01:00
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Marvel IS doing better than DC. The existence of a cheesecake variant cover for a book does not negate the existence of Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, or the new Thor series. Even if the entire book is lovely cheesecake (a distinct possibility, given Land) it doesn't negate the good stuff they're doing. Good stuff which, I might add, DC is still not doing any of whatsoever. Eh, it depends on how exactly you qualify. If you are going just by number of titles where the lead is a women, then DC actually outnumbers them dramatically. Quality is eh but still that isn't the point. Though my overall point was that he wasn't arguing that, or at least not at the time.
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Metal Loaf posted:Sure, they've got a lot of positive press about the Batgirl soft-reboot. Granted, they've also assigned Finch to Wonder Woman, purportedly with a mandate to "bring it into line" with the rest of the New 52, so I guess it's a case of easy come, easy go. Okay, let me rephrase: Marvel's attempts at gender equality include making two fantastic books, one from wholecloth and the other using (and being respectful towards) an established character, and one that isn't out yet but will most likely also be fantastic. DC's attempt at gender equality involved making Barbara Gordon walk again.
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That's not what I mean; I mean the redesign and new creative team she's got now Simone's no longer writing. In fact, I've just found this Comics Alliance article about this very topic.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Eh, it depends on how exactly you qualify. If you are going just by number of titles where the lead is a women, then DC actually outnumbers them dramatically. Quality is eh but still that isn't the point. Though my overall point was that he wasn't arguing that, or at least not at the time. I'm a she  It's true though, that wasn't what I was arguing. What I was saying was a certain segment of the fanbase has been trumpeting that Marvel's way ahead. Toot toot, motherfuckers. Also I can find you a half-dozen more covers from the past couple years that are problematic if that makes you feel more comfortable, but in general it's good if you don't put words in my mouth. Question: anyone know if Marvel 'binds' its variants in the digital issues?
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Aug 26, 2014 01:24
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Was Taters posted:I'm a she
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Aug 26, 2014 01:28
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Marvel publishes a large number of terrible comics featuring female characters. Manara's Angela and Gamora variants for Guardians of the Galaxy are every bit as bad as the Spider-woman variant. I may be down on DC but at least their Bombshell variants were fairly tasteful.
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Aug 26, 2014 01:28
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Was Taters posted:I'm a she I was actually talking about Zachack. I am on your side
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CapnAndy posted:I'm going to be making the BSS Fantasy Football league for this season shortly, does anyone have a preference on Yahoo vs. ESPN? Yahoo. ESPN's interface is worse than Dan Slott on Spider-man. Hopefully this year I get a quarterback.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I was actually talking about Zachack. Aw I know, I wasn't yelling at you. Sorry for confusing which one of us you were pronouning though.
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Aug 26, 2014 03:41
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Teenage Fansub posted:They're also giving Catwoman and Supergirl to new female writers in the next runs.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Marvel IS doing better than DC. The existence of a cheesecake variant cover for a book does not negate the existence of Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, or the new Thor series. Even if the entire book is lovely cheesecake (a distinct possibility, given Land) it doesn't negate the good stuff they're doing. Good stuff which, I might add, DC is still not doing any of whatsoever. Someone probably should negate the existence of Captain Marvel.
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Edge & Christian posted:Starting in November Supergirl is written by an (established) boy and a (new) girl, while Batgirl is written by two boys but drawn by a girl. Earth 2 is getting Marguerite Bennett writing on the monthly and weekly, Becky Cloonan is doing Gotham Academy. Yo Ladies!!!!! And Nocenti's still hanging around. Against all evidence I really want her Klarion The Witch Boy book to be great. Please.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Marvel IS doing better than DC. The existence of a cheesecake variant cover for a book does not negate the existence of Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, or the new Thor series. Even if the entire book is lovely cheesecake (a distinct possibility, given Land) it doesn't negate the good stuff they're doing. Good stuff which, I might add, DC is still not doing any of whatsoever. Actually technically DC has historically done better than Marvel if you ignore personal taste. Those three new series were responses to the fact that when X-23 was cancelled Marvel cancelled their last female ongoing, even at their shittiest DC has had female ongoings.
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Aphrodite posted:Someone probably should negate the existence of Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel has been pretty awesome lately.
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Senor Candle posted:Captain Marvel has been pretty awesome lately. I wouldn't go that far, I'd really like a better writer on that book.
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Aug 26, 2014 14:17
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Captain Marvel was better written in Avengers Assemble. And it was the same writer.
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Aphrodite posted:Captain Marvel was better written in Avengers Assemble. You're right, but Spider-Woman was even better written in AA. Clearly there's a piece missing somewhere.
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Hakkesshu posted:You're right, but Spider-Woman was even better written in AA. Clearly there's a piece missing somewhere. Aside from a really crappy VHS movie from when I was a kid, my first exposure to Spider-Woman was in Bendis's Avengers however long ago. And the only real portrayal of her I've liked has been the one Kot's writing in Secret Avengers. Are people not talking about that book like it's one of the leading female-led Marvel books? Maria Hill, Black Widow, and Spider-Woman are not only getting more screen time than the men in the book but they're more competent and generally why I've kept reading it.
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It's too bad the Ultimate Spiderman Cartoon sucks apparently because it looks like they do a lot of cool poo poo. When I went to see GotG at the Drafthouse as part of their preshow they were showing USM clips where Rocket and Groot showed up. One of the things I liked about EMH was how they just jam packed it full of historic Avengers story lines and characters and it looks like they do the same thing on USM.
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That's nice that Donald finally got to play Spiderman.
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Anything that keeps him from doing another album is a gift to the world.
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Waterhaul posted:Anything that keeps him from doing another album is a gift to the world.
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What do Marvel and DC look like in terms of hiring female creators? I feel like that's more interesting to me than how many female-led books they have. Off the top of my head, Marvel has Kelly Sue Deconnick and Jordie Bellaire, DC has Gail Simone and maybe still Ann Nocenti. Who am I missing? Please tell me that's not it. Does Amanda Connor still work for DC? Is Emma Rios still doing stuff for Marvel or is she strictly Image at this point? edit: forgot G. Willow Wilson for Marvel, duh. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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Is there a German word that means "the feeling of satisfaction one gets from seeing exhaustivly sourced proof about exactly how lovely Greg Land is"?Uncle Boogeyman posted:What do Marvel and DC look like in terms of hiring female creators? I feel like that's more interesting to me than how many female-led books they have. Are we limiting it to just writers? Because Marvel has Sara Pichelli who is one of the better artists working right now imo. Is Marjorie Liu writing any Marvel books these days? zoux fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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zoux posted:Is there a German word that means "the feeling of satisfaction one gets from seeing exhaustivly sourced proof about exactly how lovely Greg Land is"? Oh man, killer link.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Oh man, killer link.
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