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vibratingsheep posted:That would assume that this game had fans. It does now.
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Jenner posted:It does now. I wouldn't go that far. Serika has fans this game is still awful
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I now want to see fan art of Serika in a Ghostbusters uniform sans backpack/gun, shooting four beams out of each hand and fighting Vigo.  
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inthesto posted:Holy poo poo. Holy poo poo. Well, Tokimeki Memorial 3 tried to go with longer scenes in general - Tokimemo 1 had to make do with a lot less voice so the scenes are far far shorter, while Tokimemo 2 had far better distribution of character moments instead 3 going "well, nothing happens until year 3." So it's hard to make direct comparisons between scenes, especially since the other Tokimemo's are significantly more lighthearted than this one. I like the drama club's plays in Tokimemo 2, the scenes with Akane's overprotective brother in 2, and a couple of Yuina's moments for comedy.
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I really, really wish I could play Tokimemo 2, it just seems like such a solid game all round. What console did it come out for? I have some friends in Japan who may be able to get it for me.
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CherryCat posted:I really, really wish I could play Tokimemo 2, it just seems like such a solid game all round. What console did it come out for? I have some friends in Japan who may be able to get it for me. The original system was PlayStation, but you can pick it up on PSN for PS3 or PSP.
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Well that certainly was a thing. A beautiful thing. She really is a Persona protagonist. Too bad the rest of the game sucks so much! That being said, I'm looking forward to what the apparently superior Girl's Side brings.
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vibratingsheep posted:The original system was PlayStation, but you can pick it up on PSN for PS3 or PSP. Fantastic, my Japanese needs brushing up anyway.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Presumably the JSDF has a spectral ops division. Dear God, a Japanese-made Jericho sounds even worse somehow  .
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Thank you so much, Sheep. I have been wanting to see what happens in Serika's route since I heard about it 12 years ago. Now that I've seen you play Tokimeki Memorial 3, I finally understand why it was so hard to find anything about it other than some posts on Yahoo newsgroups. Everything about the gameplay is so terrible, please know that your sacrifice to make one of my dreams come true was never in vain. I wish that Twitch recordings included chatlogs, because I would love to see what the reactions were live.
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Catalina posted:I wish that Twitch recordings included chatlogs, because I would love to see what the reactions were live. Most of the people knew that the ghostbusters thing was coming, but nobody expected it to literally be the ending of Persona 3. So it was basically one long string of Persona jokes.
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evilspacehopper posted:Maybe I broke my brain from shock of this twist but I actually want that gif as an avatar now, shame the textbox is there though. You know what the sad thing is? I've spent the last two hours trying to get the event to happen again so I can try to record that bit without a text box, but the game just won't let it happen. I don't even know what to say. Actually, wait, I do. You know what? Screw this game, I'm never putting it in my PS2 again. Tokimemo 3 wrap-up coming later tonight.
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Can we at least get a summary or cliffnotes version of why Pale girl got #1 instead of Emi or Serika? (I know why Emi beat out Serika, that's just Japan). Now I'm a little curious. The most that was given was that her story was really sad or something that would make players feel protective. Was it mentioned, or does no one actually know it and the internet can't be bothered to care enough to put it up?
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TVtropes gives some explanation, if you want to venture there.
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 That.. that was really.. SERIOUSLY? Yukiko gets over an old lady, Emi gets injured and learns friends are fickle, Serika uses magical powers to destroy ghost spirits haunting schools everywhere. We definitely, definitely chose the correct route. Thanks for doing this Sheep, it was excellent. It's such a shame this story is wrapped by such an awful, awful game. Re: HOTARU I dug around TV Tropes. The Mourning After / Second Love: The backstory and the driving force of Hotaru Izumi's scenario, in Tokimeki Memorial 3: she lost her boyfriend in an accident, and can't manage to turn the page page and find a new love in her life. She's a Nintendo Hard character because of this, and switches from the first trope to the second if you manage to heal the wounds of her heart and get her to love you. Additionally, she "undergoes major surgery late in the game, and can possibly die under certain circumstances." (Spoilered just in case, I highly doubt sheep would go back and replay this for her.) Not really sure what about this made her so popular. Maybe the characterization was good? 
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Poulpe posted:
I imagine if that route was done, there would be a bunch of "My Boyfriend is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD!" jokes.
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The man called M posted:I imagine if that route was done, there would be a bunch of Loss.jpg edits. I fixed it for you.
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Tokimemo, chapter 19: The Joy This is it. The home stretch of the "true" ending. Due to having to waste most of July on the RNG, Goon is not actually national aikido champion in this run. This means that for the first time, we can't just go pro, and Goon must take this option: 2/19: College entrance exams  Mari: Oh, you're here too? Goon: Oda-san? You're trying to get into this university too? Mari: Yes. It's quite a coincidence for us to meet here.  Mari: It would be wonderful if both of us were accepted. Mari: When I think about it, it truly encourages me. Goon: Y, yeah. I'll try to make it happen. Mari: Let's make sure we don't have anything to regret.  Mari: So, what did you think of the exam? Goon: I aced it! Mari: I'm glad. That means we'll see each other soon. Goon: (The day acceptance letters are sent out seems so far away.) This will come up later. 3/14: Graduation day All of the dialogue going right up to the ending is the same, so you can go back to chapter 17 if you want to see it. I'll mark altered lines from Serika's previous confession scene with an asterisk before Serika's name.  Serika: You came. Goon: So you wrote that letter, Serika. Hey look, ma, no bandages!  Serika: W, well, today's graduation day, so this is the last day we're both at school.  Serika: And that's why-- Serika: Umm, this is so hard to say. Serika: I--I wanted to tell you today, before it's all over.  Serika: I wanted to say thanks, and... and more. Goon: Thanks? For what?  *Serika: You saved my life, remember? *Serika: If you weren't there, I don't think I'd be standing here. *Serika: And on top of that...  Serika: You were always there for me.  Serika: I always thought--I thought that I would always be alone. Serika: That I didn't deserve to make new friends. Serika: That's why I was always acted so distant, so cold to everyone. Serika: I thought that if people didn't like me, then that would make it easier.  Serika: But you were different. Serika: You always looked out for me. Serika: You truly worried and cared, and tried to understand me. Serika: That's the first time I've ever met anyone who thought about me like that.  Serika: At first, I thought that you were so nosy. Serika: But as we spent more time together, that slowly stopped being annoying. Serika: And I started to think-- Serika: It'd nice if we could stay together like this forever.  Serika: Then I thought, I couldn't afford to feel like that. Serika: I didn't deserve to feel like that. Serika: So I tried not to think about it. Serika: I convinced myself that I was wrong.  Serika: But just like light of spring melts the snow-- Serika: Slowly, silently, and gently...  Serika: Your warmth melted my heart. Serika: My frozen heart melted.  Serika: I-- Serika: I can't lie to myself anymore. Serika: I don't want to lie to myself anymore.  Serika: So hear me out, one last time.  Serika: I l--I like you. Serika: Not as a friend, not as a comrade, nothing like that. Serika: But as the most important person to me in the world.  Serika: Umm, so... Serika: Yeah, I love you.  Goon: Serika... Goon: I love you too, Serika.  Serika: Are you sure? Goon: What do you mean?  Serika: I don't know what's going to happen from here. Serika: I don't know where I'm going to go next.  Serika: I may have to leave this town, and never come back.  Serika: But no matter how far apart we are, will you always think about me? Goon: Of course.  Serika: Haha... you really got me.  *Serika: But you're right. You risked your life to save me... *Serika: To save someone like me...  *Serika: Yes. I trust you. I can trust you, and what you say.  *Serika: So I swear to you. Serika: No matter what happens. Serika: No matter what fate awaits me.  Serika: I'll-- Serika: I'll keep on loving you! Serika: I love you. Goon: (On that fated day, among the swirling cherry blossoms...) About 7 lines change there. It's pretty much in line with what happens in other girls' routes in Tokimemo 2, so that's not too big of a surprise.  And that is how the curtain closed on my three years of high school. When I look back, it feels like all I did was go to the dojo. Well, I'm glad I was able to graduate with pretty good grades. And the best thing is, I have a cute girlfriend in Serika. I feel that I was able to have a wonderful high school life. *In the end, I became a freeter. *I have to rethink what I'm going to do with my life. Hold on, WHAT?! What happened to going to college with Mari?! As for Serika? *She became a singer. WHAT?! She never even asked once about going to karaoke, or did any singing, where did this come from? *Her long days of fighting are finally at an end. So she got her parents back? *But that was definitely not what anyone expected she would do after high school. We're both pretty busy, but when we find time we go out on dates together. *She's beautiful, and she has a kind and strong heart, so I think she'll be a great singer that everyone loves. There are a few things I'm worried about, but I believe that our love is eternal. Just like the legend of the hill, the promise we made that day will last forever.   Makihara-san went to work at a second-rate company. She doesn't really talk to me anymore, so I guess she's really busy at her job.  Oda-san is going to a second-tier college and hanging out with Yabe. That's not a pair I was expecting. How did Yabe get in there?! His grades were consistently the worst in the cast!   Tachibana-san is working at the family business. She's really busy there, so I wonder if she'll take over as okami soon. Well, this makes as much sense as the other option.  Shiratori went to a third-rate college. He's probably found new friends and is having a lot of fun there. How did he get into a worse college than Yabe? His grades were top 30! What?!  Yabe went after Oda-san with everything he had. He, uh, he tried his best.  The... end? Post-game extras  After you go back to the main menu, you can find a series of monologues told from Serika's perspective. They become a little repetitive after a while, but they're worth putting at the end of this long, long run.  Summer, after school. Fudou came to return my umbrella. He didn't have to go out of his way to do that--I just handed it to him. I just don't like seeing people in trouble. But I do see him in kind of a different light now.  Autumn, at the observation deck. Fudou and I climbed up to the observation deck. The wind and the sun felt great. Oh, and Fudo said "I know an even higher spot with a better view." Maybe we'll go there some time. It'd be great if it was even nicer than here.  Autumn. This might not be so bad. Fudou isn't bored yet. Weird. Is it really that fun to hang out with me? Well, I'm having fun, so I guess that's fine. We don't really have much to talk about, which isn't surprising. But he's trying so hard to find common ground. He really is a nice guy.  Winter. I forgot what this felt like. Fudou really isn't tired of this yet? Is it really that fun to hang out with me? Well, I'm having a whole lot of fun. Fun... I'd forgotten what that felt like. If only we could've stayed there forever...  Spring. My birthday. I've always thought that there's nothing good about birthdays. You get older whether you like it or not, and... And I don't have anyone to celebrate with. But this year, that guy--Goon--gave me a present. He remembered my birthday. I was really happy. Really, really happy. Thank you, Goon.  Spring. Why do I feel like this? I wonder what's wrong with me? When I'm with Goon, everything's somehow more fun. Every little thing he says makes me happy. I didn't think like this a little while ago. It's really weird...  Fall. After school, in the hallway. Today at school, Goon asked me about the wounds I got in yesterday's battle. I didn't have any idea what to tell him, so I said something vague about falling down to cover it up. But he really surprised me. In all the other schools, no one ever said a thing when I showed up hurt. But this school's different. Goon's a really weird guy. I wish I had just fallen down--I'm sorry that I had to lie. It's not the injuries that hurt, it's having to lie and pretend everything's okay. I hate it. Not to mention that I'm a bad liar.  Autumn. The class trip, eh... Today's the class trip. It's my first time going on a trip with everyone in school. Well, I never had any interest in it before, either. Besides, I don't know if I deserve to go on them anyway. Well, whatever, I might as well go. I should have a little fun, no matter what. Goon's with me.  Autumn. Class trip day 2. We went to Kiyomizu-dera today. The view from there was gorgeous. It felt like a mirage, even though it was real. Goon said "It's like time has stopped here." It would've been nice if it was true. If time stopped there, I could've seen that sight forever. With Goon, of course.  Autumn. On the class trip, while looking at the night sky. On the last day of the class trip, Goon and I went to see the view at night. It was so pretty. It was just like a dream, or a mirage. And just for a second, I thought-- If this is a dream, I don't want to wake up. I want to stay here forever and take in this view with Goon. I was really surprised--that's not like me at all. I thought I'd forgotten how to feel like this, but... Thank you, Goon. I've always thought that I have no right to make fun memories at school, but that wasn't true. I'll never forget these 4 days, and I'll never forget the night sky I saw with Goon.  Autumn. Happy birthday. Today was Goon's birthday. So, I went to his house to hand him a present. I could've done it tomorrow at school, but I thought the sooner the better. He was really happy. I'm glad that it was worth the trip. Be thankful, Goon, I made sure to remember your birthday.  Winter. On the slopes. Skiing. I've never gone skiing on a date like this. My skiwear is really plain and practical. But I really like these clothes. It's not like they have any special meaning, but maybe that's why I like them so much. They've been with me through all the tough times. That's why I was really happy when Goon said they were pretty slick.  Winter. At the Christmas party. Usually, I never even think about coming to school Christmas parties. There's nothing fun for me there, and I'm bad with crowds. But this year was different. I thought "Maybe Goon will come." I'm glad I got to talk to him. That was enough to make me happy.  Winter. Hatsumoude together. I went to hatsumoude with Goon. I never go to hatsumoude, but this year's different--because Goon's with me. I really wonder what he wished for. I said "the same thing as you" when he asked, but... that can't be, can it? It would be great if it were true. But it was fun. This year is definitely going to be a great one. I can believe that, aren't I?  Winter. After school, in the hallway. At school, Goon came up to me and I thought "is he going to ask?" And, of course, he asked me about the injury I picked up yesterday. I hesitated for a second and wondered what I was supposed to say. In the end, I went with the "I fell" excuse again. It's a pretty lame excuse, I have to admit. Geez, he doesn't have to worry so much. But--I wonder why it hurts so much inside? Is it because I lied? No. That's not why I feel this way.  Winter. Valentine's Day. I gave Goon chocolate again this year. But that heart-shaped stuff with the cute packaging really isn't my style. It was really embarrassing just lugging that to the register. Oh well. He looked really grateful. And that's enough to make me happy.  Spring, with the cherry blossoms. I'm so glad that I was able to see the cherry blossoms here again. Goon acted confused, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it's okay that he doesn't know. I'm glad that I'm the only one who has to carry this burden. I'm glad...  Spring. My birthday. I've always thought that there's nothing good about birthdays. You get older whether you like it or not, and... And I don't have anyone to celebrate with. But this year I have to change how I think. This year, Goon gave me another present. He went out of his way to call me, and then he came out to meet me. He didn't have to go through so much trouble. But since we were out anyway, I invited him up to my room. I'm really sorry my room is so lame. I bet I disappointed you, Goon. But... thank you. I was really, really happy today. Thank you, Goon.  Spring. After school, in class. The whole school was buzzing this morning. I wondered what they were talking about, and then I was told they found the aftermath of last night's battle. It was a close call--I panicked for a second when Goon asked me about it. Geez, I hope he doesn't think I'm weird because of that. Next time, I need to make sure not to mess up the school so much when I fight. But I'm the only one worrying about that, so I guess it won't really help.  Fall. Happy birthday. Today was Goon's birthday. So, on the way home from school, I gave him a present. I probably could have done it at school, but that's a little embarrassing, and isn't really my style. He was really happy about it, so I'm glad I did it. Be thankful, Goon, I made sure to remember your birthday.  Autumn. The last battle. When I came to this school, I figured it would be the same as every other one. I figured that after the job was over, I would forget it just like the others. But that wasn't true. Goon saw me fighting, and he didn't run away. He threw himself in front of me to save me. So... I told him everything. I didn't want to lie to him anymore, even if it meant he pulled away. But he didn't. Not only that, but... he probably said the words I wanted to hear the most. I've fought at so many schools up until now, but I never felt like I knew why. Now, I finally feel like I understand. I don't know if it's for everyone's sake. But if it's for you--I can keep fighting. I'm glad I came here, to this school. It's the best thing that ever happened.  Winter. Christmas, just the two of us. This Christmas, I gathered up my courage and invited Goon over. I hope he isn't disappointed. Sukiyaki isn't very Christmassy at all. Sorry--I know it's selfish, but I wanted to be with him. It was... a lot of fun. Sitting down with people you're close to, eating with them, and talking about whatever. Just for a moment, it felt like I'd gone back to those happy days when I was little. Thank you, Goon. I'll never forget this Christmas. It's a treasured memory.  Winter. Hatsumoude together. I went to hatsumoude with Goon. I never go to hatsumoude, but this year's different--because Goon's with me. I really wonder what he wished for. I said "the same thing as you" when he asked, but... that can't be, can it? It would be great if it were true, that he also wished that we could be together forever. But it was fun. This year is definitely going to be a great one. I can believe that, aren't I?  Winter. Valentine's Day... I gave Goon chocolate again this year. But that heart-shaped stuff with the cute packaging really isn't my style. It was really embarrassing just lugging that to the register. It'd be better if I made it myself, but I don't cook. Well, whatever. He looked really grateful. And that's enough to make me happy.  Spring. The day before graduation. This is the first place where I've felt like school can be fun. It's all thanks to him. But I realized this too late. We graduate tomorrow... We may never see each other again. But before it's all over, I want him to know how I feel... The only thing left is a comment from Serika's voice actress, Minagawa Junko. Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FltOdorxg6A  Hello! I'm Minagawa Junko, and I play Shinjo Serika. What did you think of Serika-chan in Tokimemo 3? I love her from the bottom of my heart. When I auditioned for Tokimeki Memorial 3, Serika-chan was the role I wanted the most. I'm really happy that I got it. Serika-chan can be kind of scary, but she's really a friendly, kind person, and if you can see that in her too, it'd make me more happy than anything. I feel there are quite a few things she and I have in common, like how we're both so upfront. It's kind of scary, honestly. Hahaha, I dunno. I'll keep working hard, so please take good care of Serika. There are a lot of different faces of Serika-chan that you can see, so play a lot and have fun! So, I'll see you again some day. Yoroshiku Aishuu! Yoroshiku Aishuu (Hello Sorrow) is a Gou Hiromi ballad from 1974. It took me more than a half hour to figure out what she was saying and why, and it turns out that it was a pop culture reference. Dammit! So... I guess that's it for Tokimeki Memorial 3. Let's be honest, though, that ending scroll really sucked. I feel like whatever ending we think up would still make sense than tossing darts at a job board like the game does... Who wants to take a shot at it? Next time: Can I have your daughter for the rest of my life? 
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Well uh. This game is certainly capable of throwing twists at you. It makes no sense, but it's still unexpected. That's about all the good things I can say about the ending.
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That, um, happened. I guess it's nice that Mari would have warmed up regardless of Goon becoming a celebrity? Also quote:Skiing. I've never gone skiing on a date like this. I hope this implies Serika had to go ghostbusting on skis once.  Anyway, do you think you could write a brief summary of the other routes in this game? I'm honestly curious how it all works out, does everyone have these completely random endings?
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vibratingsheep posted:*In the end, I became a freeter. In the end, Tokimeki Memorial 3 just had to have the last laugh.
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Obviously Goon and Serika just had to come up with lovely cover stories to hide the fact that they're an undercover ghost-busting duo. Serika's a bad liar, but since Goon is the audience cipher it makes sense that he'd pick the logical easy cover story of "oh I'm just some bum."
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Opposing Farce posted:Obviously Goon and Serika just had to come up with lovely cover stories to hide the fact that they're an undercover ghost-busting duo. Serika's a bad liar, but since Goon is the audience cipher it makes sense that he'd pick the logical easy cover story of "oh I'm just some bum." Canon. I'd read a fanfic* of Goon's and Serika's ghost-hunting adventures, motivated by Serika wanting her parents back. *Maybe.
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See, this is another example of this game having great ideas that I'd love to see in more games that don't suck. Unlockable monologues are a really cool feature, and would go great in a game like 2. Here it's just wasted.
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Kay Kessler posted:See, this is another example of this game having great ideas that I'd love to see in more games that don't suck. Unlockable monologues are a really cool feature, and would go great in a game like 2. Here it's just wasted. Yeah, the problem is that most of the game is so bad, that those other perspective monologues could fit with almost any character.
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Are those monologues meant to be diary entries? I'm going to consider them diary entries. They're cute. Also a freeter and a singer, what the gently caress? The cover story idea makes sense but.. the two endings we've seen makes it seem like the game literally picks stuff at random each time. I thought sheep was joking about the dart board, but maybe that's the literal mechanic at play.
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That ending scroll? That riled up the chat more than the ghost fighting did. People were baffled.
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vibratingsheep posted:We're both pretty busy, but when we find time we go out on dates together. NO. No no no no no. You became a freeter, you are not busy. You cannot have it both ways. However, if she became a (presumably professional) singer, then you are not a freeter, you are a groupie. In which case, yes you are busy, but you have plenty of time together so don't make it sound like such a hassle.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have time/money to put in the actual mechanic that determines what epilogue everyone actually gets and so it just chooses at random and gives you the "we're both pretty busy" message no matter what. Alt: Goon is really busy as a freeter because he's actually Great Teacher Onizuka, but with aikido.
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Hmm...let me take a shot at it!vibratingsheep posted:
I think my version makes more sense than the actual game's, but at the same time I'm sure someone can do something a lot better.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I think my version makes more sense than the actual game's, but at the same time I'm sure someone can do something a lot better. I dunno, that's pretty perfect frankly. EDIT: Maybe Shiratori could develop a syphilis problem, though 
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Well that was kind of a lame ending, as expected of Tokimeki 3. At least Serika was saved in a way from this game of course. Many will try to forget TM3 and I don't blame them, they probably should forget and never speak of it. Of course this would mean Serika will also be forgotten but though they forget her thanks to Vibratingsheep the Goons won't, shee'll live on in our hearts which is the greatest joy for a galge heroine. Still this game was stupid but I'm glad you did it. Blaze Dragon posted:I think my version makes more sense than the actual game's, but at the same time I'm sure someone can do something a lot better.
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I have a suspicion that with the writing in TM3, each character had several writers, and they were given one pass, and didn't have enough time to communicate with each other about what would actually work together to form a story. Unlockable monologues are actually a mechanic in Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side 3! Which is a really good game! The monologues are actually a really good addition to a Tokimemo game, because it adds more depth to the story event scenes and ties them together in a way that helps with the disjointed feel the gameplay/story mechanics give.
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I think watching Nozaki-kun has adequately prepared me for Girls Side. Bring on the dudes.
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Aug 25, 2014 18:22
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HellCopter posted:I think watching Nozaki-kun has adequately prepared me for Girls Side. Bring on the dudes. evilspacehopper posted:Still this game was stupid but I'm glad you did it. This reminds me that I'll soon need to update the thread title. Does anyone have a better suggestion than "Let's Play Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side - Being a Girl is Hard"?
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Aug 25, 2014 18:46
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vibratingsheep posted:This reminds me that I'll soon need to update the thread title. Does anyone have a better suggestion than "Let's Play Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side - Being a Girl is Hard"? Maybe something along the lines of Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side: Amazing What a Little Makeup Can Do For Your Game!, but I don't remember the character limit for thread titles so that might be a bit over.
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Aug 25, 2014 19:01
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