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Can you ally with it, then convince Strauss and Isaac that you killed it? Either way, ally. You're not a Tremere, trusting them is nothing but foolish.
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citybeatnik posted:You assume that the guy that outright told us that his loyalty is to his clan, himself, and the Camarilla (in that order!) would pay us back. Well, yeah. Said loyalty would involve paying his debts to maintain the good name of himself and the Tremere. He paid us for the Plaguebearer job, after all.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:52
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Stroop There It Is posted:Can you ally with it, then convince Strauss and Isaac that you killed it? Either way, ally. You're not a Tremere, trusting them is nothing but foolish. Making it your ally involves getting it to guard the theater for Isaac, but I don't know about Strauss. I never thought to get him involved since the theater's straight across from Isaac and I usually have enough Persuade to get the job done in no time flat.
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Stroop There It Is posted:Can you ally with it, then convince Strauss and Isaac that you killed it? Either way, ally. You're not a Tremere, trusting them is nothing but foolish. You can ally, then tell Issac. He'll want to keep the gargoyle as a surprise, so you can tell Strauss that you killed it and he'll pay you. You can also tell Issac that the gargoyle is Strauss' creation for some extra XP. However, Issac will immediately gossip that to embarrass the Camarilla, so you'll lose Strauss as an ally and not get his payment.
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Stroop There It Is posted:Can you ally with it, then convince Strauss and Isaac that you killed it? Maybe I wasn't clear enough about this. There is no option to ally ourself with the Gargoyle. The only option instead of killing it is to ally it with Issac Abrams. Re-reading these votes makes it seem like many of you don't understand what the choice was. Syncopated posted:I forgot or never realized when I played that you could avoid killing it, so you should definitely ally with the gargoyle. MJ12 posted:Ally with it! The choice is to recruit the Gargoyle to Issac's faction, or destroy it. We are a free-agent trying to please every side. Allying the gargoyle with Isaac is not the same as allying it with ourself. If this clarification makes you change your vote, do so now. gatz fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Aug 22, 2014 01:25
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Was that ever in any doubt?
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gatz posted:Maybe I wasn't clear enough about this. There is no option to ally ourself with the Gargoyle. The only option instead of killing it is to ally it with Issac Abrams. Re-reading these votes makes it seem like many of you don't understand what the choice was. My vote stands, don't kill it.
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Aug 22, 2014 15:03
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Ally with Isaac Tremere cannot be trusted.Ever.
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Aug 22, 2014 15:44
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Did a bit of accounting, here's my result. Any deviations are the result of Dementation and not at all a clerical error: quote:kill the garoyle: Protect the Masquerade, kill more thinbloods.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:26
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Kill it because Abrams can go gently caress himself.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:30
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Kill it because I never do.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:36
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Kill it because the Final Nights could use a bit more grimdark.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:38
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Kill it! Because why would we do Issac any favors?
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Aug 22, 2014 17:40
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Kill it because when the universe hands you a gift-wrapped chance to play both sides you need to take it.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:55
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Stroth posted:Kill it because when the universe hands you a gift-wrapped chance to play both sides you need to take it. Killing it wouldn't really be playing both sides. It would be doing exactly what both sides want, really.
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PureRok posted:Killing it wouldn't really be playing both sides. It would be doing exactly what both sides want, really. In fact, let's do exactly that.
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JT Jag posted:Yeah, the best way to play both sides it would be to convince the gargoyle to ally with Isaac and defend the theatre, tell Strauss it's dead, and thus keep the knowledge of Strauss' failure to control his creation as blackmail in our back pocket for the future. That thing. Do that thing, it seems neat.
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JT Jag posted:Yeah, the best way to play both sides it would be to convince the gargoyle to ally with Isaac and defend the theatre, tell Strauss it's dead, and thus keep the knowledge of Strauss' failure to control his creation as blackmail in our back pocket for the future. it' stupid though and exploiting a hole in the games quest mechanics
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Aug 22, 2014 22:10
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How is following dialogue options given to you in the game exploiting anything? Pretty sure you can do exactly that in every version of the game, patch or no patch. Right?
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I haxploited Jeanette and Therese to make peace with each other using my GameRokea.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:17
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kill the gargoyle.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:25
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JT Jag posted:Yeah, the best way to play both sides it would be to convince the gargoyle to ally with Isaac and defend the theatre, tell Strauss it's dead, and thus keep the knowledge of Strauss' failure to control his creation as blackmail in our back pocket for the future. This guy knows how to turn the game around on these guys, let's do that.
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Wa11y posted:Let's face it, any weapon you use against a stone gargoyle is going to pretty quickly BECOME a blunt weapon! Is it a bad thing that I use a tire iron for this? Most of the time I play gunslingers, and can't be bothered to get a sledgehammer.
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Aug 23, 2014 01:16
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Murder Abrams and Strauss and Befriend the gargoyle.
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I am sure that he will be a rocksteady ally
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Stroop There It Is posted:I haxploited Jeanette and Therese to make peace with each other using my GameRokea. Ally Jeanette with the Tremere, kill Therese, and merge Isaac's personality with the Gargoyle.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Kavingi posted:This guy knows how to turn the game around on these guys, let's do that. The truly Ventrue option would be to calmly analyze the situation, thing it over, and decide do this, now! Let's make our sire's memory proud.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:36
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My final tally Ally: 23 Kill: 23 I guess I'll flip a coin. gatz fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 06:26
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FWIW, I'd vote Ally.
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I would also vote Ally if the voting was open. As a Ventrue, one schemes for greatest advantage, and avoids directly participating in bloodshed wherever possible because it might mess up ones hair or get ones clothes dirty.
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Too late, I recorded the next 3-4 updates today including those sewers. gently caress that sucked, not to mention that the plus patch stamped that awful WESP stamp all over the latter section of those sewers. It was Vicissitude that flipped the coin. You'll all have to wait to see what JFK said.
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gatz posted:Too late, I recorded the next 3-4 updates today including those sewers. gently caress that sucked, not to mention that the plus patch stamped that awful WESP stamp all over the latter section of those sewers. I think I speak for most of us when I admit that I just no-clipped my way through those loving sewers jesus loving christ.
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I went through those sewers four times before I started noclipping. The first because I didn't know what to expect. The next three because surely they'd be bearable on a character specialized in melee/shooting/obfuscate, right? Wrong. that just brought things from 'a pain in the rear end' to 'tedious'. Sometimes I can be stupidly stubborn.
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citybeatnik posted:I think I speak for most of us when I admit that I just no-clipped my way through those loving sewers jesus loving christ. You certainly speak for me. I was warned well in advance that the sewers are the worst part of the game, so I straight up noclipped that poo poo. I don't think anyone would hold it against you to have your character achieve a short state of vampiric transcendence just long enough to push you through the sewers and then lose it.
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Was it just me or was the sewers the hardest part of the game?
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Iretep posted:Was it just me or was the sewers the hardest part of the game? Mainly due to deprivation and poor level design. If you brought blood with you and know what to expect they're just tedious since they're basically a rat maze to run through. Its the most Redemption-like level in Bloodlines.
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Iretep posted:Was it just me or was the sewers the hardest part of the game?
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gatz posted:Too late, I recorded the next 3-4 updates today including those sewers. gently caress that sucked, not to mention that the plus patch stamped that awful WESP stamp all over the latter section of those sewers.
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Tiggum posted:I found the final boss fights harder, but that depends on which ending you choose. Nope. Depending on whether a certain somebody survives up to that point, you can unlock a superweapon that turns those fights into baby poo poo. The sewers are infinitely worse.
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Tyrone Biggums posted:Nope. Depending on whether a certain somebody survives up to that point, you can unlock a superweapon that turns those fights into baby poo poo. The sewers are infinitely worse.
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