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InterrupterJones posted:If they did reprint fetches at all, the value of Onslaugnt and maybe even Zendikar fetches wouldn't go down at all. Just look at Ravnica shock lands; some are still around $20 a pop, whereas the new sets stay under $10. Actually they would. The Ravnica Shocks were well over $20 before RTR and now they average $15 with the RTR Shocks averaging $8. Things would be similar for Fetches but the prices would still be fairly high.
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InterrupterJones posted:If they did reprint fetches at all, the value of Onslaugnt and maybe even Zendikar fetches wouldn't go down at all. Just look at Ravnica shock lands; some are still around $20 a pop, whereas the new sets stay under $10. You mean how say guild pact Steam Vents was $25ish from 8/2011 to 8/2012 and is now $13? Prices won't go down at all like that? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Guildpact/Steam+Vents#paper
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Aug 25, 2014 15:05
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LaTex Fetish posted:yeah they would I just have trouble believing that they would want to make all the fetch lands available to modern rather than as part of a legacy only product with a limited run.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:12
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mcmagic posted:I just have trouble believing that they would want to make all the fetch lands available to modern rather than as part of a legacy only product with a limited run. Why would they want to have only half of the fetches available to Modern? I mean, IIRC this is something they've explicitly talked about as being rather weird and that they want to fix it at some point.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:19
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Jabor posted:Why would they want to have only half of the fetches available to Modern? There gets to be a point where fixing is too easy, no?
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Aug 25, 2014 15:28
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mcmagic posted:There gets to be a point where fixing is too easy, no? it's not like there's legit duals in modern, so there's still a price to pay
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mcmagic posted:There gets to be a point where fixing is too easy, no? Yes, it's called "Lorwyn/Time Spiral Standard." loving Vivid lands and storage lands.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:32
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Jabor posted:Why would they want to have only half of the fetches available to Modern? Fetches are in a really weird situation. Development has expressed that they want to cut down the amount of shuffling in games and printing fetches in a Standard-legal set runs counter to that. Not to mention that in a format without typed duals or a mechanic like landfall Fetches are kind of sub-par in their role as "dual" lands. At the same time they need a reprint badly and something has to give at some point. I suppose they could ban the Zendikar fetches in Modern (leaving none instead of half) to address the power-level/deckspeed/shuffling issues they cause in the format and unban other cards like Deathrite Shaman that were broken with them present, but the fallout from the playerbase's expensive lands becoming worthless overnight might not be worth the trouble.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:33
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mcmagic posted:There gets to be a point where fixing is too easy, no? I think it's hard to argue that that point exists between 'having five fetchlands' and 'having ten fetchlands'. If fetches make the fixing too easy, it's because of the basic fetch-dual interaction. Only having five fetches doesn't change that.
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I'm all for reprinting all of them and making legacy and modern more affordable but you never know what they are going to do...
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mcmagic posted:There gets to be a point where fixing is too easy, no? How would adding allied-colour fetchlands to the format make fixing "too easy"? Any deck can already run as many fetchlands as they like that are capable of fetching any colour they desire.
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Zonekeeper posted:Fetches are in a really weird situation. Development has expressed that they want to cut down the amount of shuffling in games and printing fetches in a Standard-legal set runs counter to that. Not to mention that in a format without typed duals or a mechanic like landfall Fetches are kind of sub-par in their role as "dual" lands. At the same time they need a reprint badly and something has to give at some point. If they ban all my Zendikar fetches I will have a sad 
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Snacksmaniac posted:Less than an hour until Maro kills Magic forever. Can't wait until they announce the Scornful Egotist reprint we have all been sitting w/ bated breath in anticipation of.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:38
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The biggest difference with all fetches in modern is decks can run all fetches with both basic types in the deck. Fixing would be a little better, but it's not like you can run infinite fetches. At some point you actually need targets for them.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:42
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Kabanaw posted:The biggest difference with all fetches in modern is decks can run all fetches with both basic types in the deck. Fixing would be a little better, but it's not like you can run infinite fetches. At some point you actually need targets for them. in legacy usually you run twice as many fetches as there are targets. dont know how it is in modern, but i would say the situation is similar
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Aug 25, 2014 15:43
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LaTex Fetish posted:in legacy usually you run twice as many fetches as there are targets. dont know how it is in modern, but i would say the situation is similar Modern has less use for the shuffle than Legacy does, which might affect things. e: the Junk deck that won the GP in Worcester before the PT ran 8 fetches and 7 lands with basic types
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Aug 25, 2014 15:44
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With two burn decks in the Kobe top 8, it looks like Goblin Guide is spiking again. Glad I finally bit the bullet and got my set last month.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:49
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GoutPatrol posted:With two burn decks in the Kobe top 8, it looks like Goblin Guide is spiking again. Glad I finally bit the bullet and got my set last month. I think it's actually going to end up being a 30 dollar card. It's played as a 4 of in both Legacy and Modern Decks and it's just one of the best creatures ever printed.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:51
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Maro's article is up for those of you that didn't know: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/metamorphosis In short, they're eliminating the core set and going to a two-blocks-a-year paradigm (Fall/Winter, Spring/Summer). Standard now rotates every 18 months, so at most there will be three full blocks comprising six sets in standard.
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This is interesting news, although I'm not sure how much I like it. I'm not exactly fussed about Core Sets being eliminated, but it seems weird to have cards be good in Standard for even less time than they are now. In the end, its probably a good thing because we're all crack addicts anyways.
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LaTex Fetish posted:in legacy usually you run twice as many fetches as there are targets. dont know how it is in modern, but i would say the situation is similar That is incorrect, except in very rare cases of certain combo decks. The most lopsided fair deck mana-wise (Thresh) runs 8 fetches, 6 targets. Most decks planning on going past turn 3 will run 8-10 fetches in 20-23 lands.
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It's up! http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/metamorphosis - Two blocks per year - Two sets per block - NO MORE CORE SETS after Magic 2016 - Standard rotation happens twice per year? - Standard will be the last three blocks
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Aug 25, 2014 16:00
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Interesting developments there.
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Aug 25, 2014 16:01
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Sweet, core sets are going away and I'll never have to look at their ugly mugs ever again. I'm not incredibly fussed about the block structure, but getting more actual sets per year is good. (Watch as the usual grognard crowd says "clearly they will make every expert-level set on the same level as the core sets in order to compensate, magic is DED".)
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They actually have gifs that explain it really clearly, someone tranfer these graphic design people to the MODO team stat: 
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My response to this is: Ok. I mean, it's not that big a change. Currently Standard at its largest consists of two blocks of three sets each, and two core sets, for 8 sets total-- and usually there are 4 big sets (core sets, first sets of a block) and 4 small ones. The new Standard will be the same. It just won't grow and shrink dramatically and suddenly come rotation, just marginally. It'll also change faster, which I like. I really hope there are grog tears about this somewhere, though.
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Two sets per block is AMAZING. I've said for years that I'm bored of the setting after the first two sets, and they keep failing at making both the second and third sets interesting because they're either holding stuff back or trying to do too much. I wish we didn't have to wait until Spring 2016, because I'm excited for these changes now. Faster Standard rotation should keep everything from getting stale, also.
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I'm excited for my new two set Block overlords, and I'm glad it's starting in philosophy if not rotation with Khans.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:My response to this is: Yeah, overall I think its good news. The only news that's "bad" is that your cards are Standard legal for less time, but let's be honest: that's your head talking and not your crack addict heart that wants to buy more cards. Transition sounds like its gonna be awkward as gently caress though.
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This is really cool from a design perspective. It's significantly less cool from a "you're going to need to buy elite rares and mythics more often if you want to keep up with standard" perspective.
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Isn't this just like Lorwyn/Shadowmoor blocks, just without Core sets now?Attorney at Funk posted:This is really cool from a design perspective. It's significantly less cool from a "you're going to need to buy elite rares and mythics more often if you want to keep up with standard" perspective. It should still be about the same amount of cards per standard, right?
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My only hope is that 18 months of Standard-legality will put a bit more of a ceiling on single prices, as players become a lot more aware of how quickly they'll have to flip them and less willing to drop $40+ on a card that they'll be using for way less time.
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I don't play standard, but this looks really cool. What MaRo says is true, three sets is just too much for a block.
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I wonder if this is in part due to the fact that the last three blocks have had generally agreed upon crappy single set and two good ones? It might just be easier to put in more quality if the blocks aren't spaced over three sets.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:My response to this is: New Standard will be 3 large and 2-3 small, so the card pool will be a little smaller. If anything, the biggest complaint that could be had against this is the change from 2-year to 18-month Standard legality of a set. Way back when Standard was created (as Type 2), there were some who disliked it because it seemed like a ploy to force players to have to keep buying new cards all the time. Rotating the sets even faster just makes that even more true, but personally I think the benefits of more settings per year and a faster-changing Standard environment are well worth it.
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The only time the third set seems to work well is when the set completely changes the dynamic of the setting. Rise of the Eldrazi, New Phyrexia, Avacyn Restored (almost. I like it some don't). I like this change. I only really started playing with Theros so I'm not as tired of the 3-Set Blocks as people who've been playing for years are but it really does seem not that great for the most part. This also explains why Louie will be a completely different thing and why Khan's isn't completely Wedge Block. Also:  Tears for Fears reference in the development Set Names. I'm in love. Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Attorney at Funk posted:This is really cool from a design perspective. It's significantly less cool from a "you're going to need to buy elite rares and mythics more often if you want to keep up with standard" perspective. If enough people really complained I doubt its a real problem to just expand to 4 blocks. I think they're just seeing what the feedback is like now when its so far off.
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So Tarkir's draft structure actually acts as a transition into the new 2 set paradigm. I think this is really exciting! 2 sets a years sounds amazing. Rinkles fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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