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Shifty Pony posted:The engineering and planning that went into all of it is really impressive. It makes you wonder where we would be as a nation if it had been directed to a more peaceful application. It simply wouldn't have been done. The best we can hope for is peaceful applications of former military technology. The internet, GPS, space program, etc.
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computer parts posted:The black dot near the top seems to be Moscow (Idaho) as well. No that's totally Pullman because gently caress a coug.
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I'm suprised the map doesn't have Pax River Naval Air Station or Annapolis directly targetted. Though, I guess when you have a dozen or so nukes hitting 20 miles northwest of you, the fallout will do its thing, anyway.
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From a Florida resident... what the gently caress is worth nuking in Fort Myers? Or Sarasota? Was the Soviet Union really that worried about our stockpiles of retired elderly northerners? They figure those two cities, and Tallahassee (which they can have) are worth nuking, but not Key West? All hail the Conch Republic, I suppose.
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So anyway, about politics. http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-hillary-clinton-obama-foreign-policy-2014-8 Paul Ryan is jumping on the sore loser train with Mitt. 
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If I were some Russian guy tasked with coming up with 500 second strike targets after big cities I think I'd start picking random poo poo to blow up that would piss Americans off. Mount Rushmore, Lincoln's birthplace, The Baseball Hall of Fame, that sort of stuff. For the real tears I'd nuke anything having to do with the Confederacy and leave all the rednecks standing. I guess that precludes blowing up Lincoln's birthplace though.
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I'm surprised Bill's Delicious Candy Store in downtown Whogivesashit, Nowhere, isn't on that old-rear end irrelevant map! I thought something had actually happened  Mike Brown's funeral was today. And in a major blow to white people the world over, Napa Valley suffered some serious damage from an earthquake yesterday morning. I wonder how many dollars worth of grapes were shaken off their vines, it's coming up on harvest time. Sir Tonk posted:So anyway, about politics. god bless you sir
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1337JiveTurkey posted:If I were some Russian guy tasked with coming up with 500 second strike targets after big cities I think I'd start picking random poo poo to blow up that would piss Americans off. Mount Rushmore, Lincoln's birthplace, The Baseball Hall of Fame, that sort of stuff. For the real tears I'd nuke anything having to do with the Confederacy and leave all the rednecks standing. I guess that precludes blowing up Lincoln's birthplace though. EDIT: Also, while he was way overblown about it and I don't like the guy or agree with his foreign policy, I have to admit that Mitt was actually right in putting a focus on Russia. They have continued the downhill slide, even accelerated it. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Sir Tonk posted:So anyway, about politics. Are we meant to think there was a point at which he thought they were wrong?
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mdemone posted:Are we meant to think there was a point at which he thought they were wrong? I wonder this as well, none of the major crop of candidates has any capacity for introspection these days. Also it would be a serious derail of their message and undermine their major campaign planks of "just trust us, we know better" and "it's too complicated for you".
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1337JiveTurkey posted:If I were some Russian guy tasked with coming up with 500 second strike targets after big cities I think I'd start picking random poo poo to blow up that would piss Americans off. Mount Rushmore, Lincoln's birthplace, The Baseball Hall of Fame, that sort of stuff. For the real tears I'd nuke anything having to do with the Confederacy and leave all the rednecks standing. I guess that precludes blowing up Lincoln's birthplace though. Lincoln's birthplace is within thermonuclear explosion range of this place: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Grass_Army_Depot
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mdemone posted:Are we meant to think there was a point at which he thought they were wrong?
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mdemone posted:Are we meant to think there was a point at which he thought they were wrong? Yeah and in 2016 you should definitely vote for them.
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Sir Tonk posted:So anyway, about politics. what are they claiming to be right about?
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mdemone posted:Are we meant to think there was a point at which he thought they were wrong? This should be a major consideration in our newsmedia (is what we're saying here loving obvious) but really a lot of them just use news to fill the slots between advertising - either they've got to fill column inches/content minutes in "old media" or they're in "new media" where every new article is more places to put ads. hangedman1984 posted:what are they claiming to be right about? Foreign policy. Which is silly because unless you can credibly convince Putin you're crazy enough to invade Russia over east Ukraine (much less Crimea) you're not going to do better than Obama did. Jackson Taus fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Aug 25, 2014 18:20
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Things like "Russia bad" and "Democrats Bad" and "Republicans are great"
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ReindeerF posted:Every In-n-Out and Whataburger. According to who, CNN? Russia is still in shambles, there are just piles of dead reporters not elaborating on the details anymore.
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Axolotl posted:I think it's more of a "Told you so!" Sir Tonk posted:Yeah and in 2016 you should definitely vote for them. In 2012 there was a sizable and legitimate push-back against the GOP foreign policy as being too "hawkish" and paranoid about other large world powers, namely China and Russia. Virtually every liberal response to the GOP mentioning Russia was "psh the Cold War ended years ago grandpa!" So not so much "I told you so!" or "Romney/Ryan 2016!" as "the GOP foreign policy isn't as out-of-touch as a lot of liberals like to think it is/portray it as."
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1337JiveTurkey posted:If I were some Russian guy tasked with coming up with 500 second strike targets after big cities I think I'd start picking random poo poo to blow up that would piss Americans off. Mount Rushmore, Lincoln's birthplace, The Baseball Hall of Fame, that sort of stuff. For the real tears I'd nuke anything having to do with the Confederacy and leave all the rednecks standing. I guess that precludes blowing up Lincoln's birthplace though. I can get behind the nuclear obliteration of stone mountain.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I can get behind the nuclear obliteration of stone mountain. Timed to go off simultaneously with the very last firework in the laser show.
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Amergin posted:In 2012 there was a sizable and legitimate push-back against the GOP foreign policy as being too "hawkish" and paranoid about other large world powers, namely China and Russia. Virtually every liberal response to the GOP mentioning Russia was "psh the Cold War ended years ago grandpa!" Invade everyone. Force is the only answer. Killing is the only way to stop war.
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BiggerBoat posted:Invade everyone. Force is the only answer. Killing is the only way to stop war. Counterpoint: Diplomacy has been working swimmingly with I/P, Syria, Libya, Russia/Ukraine, Iraq/IS...
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Mitt would have dumped arms onto Syrian rebels that would never have fallen into the hands of ISIL.
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Amergin posted:In 2012 there was a sizable and legitimate push-back against the GOP foreign policy as being too "hawkish" and paranoid about other large world powers, namely China and Russia. Virtually every liberal response to the GOP mentioning Russia was "psh the Cold War ended years ago grandpa!" You're not getting better at the trolling thing, just FYI. However, I do feel compelled to point out that since the GOP foreign policy planks pretty much consist of "TURN IT INTO A GODDAMN GLASS COVERED PARKING LOT", I'd say that no, they are indeed still out-of-touch--especially considering that the vast majority of Americans are against sending troops back to Iraq. vv Also this.
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Every time I've seen a Republican hold forth on this "GOP++" foreign policy issue in front of a semi-competent interviewer they have eaten poo poo after the obvious "so what would you have done differently?" follow-up question. It's always a total fantasy or a "well the same as Obama but BETTER" or a dissembling nothing.
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Amergin posted:Counterpoint: Diplomacy has been working swimmingly with I/P, Syria, Libya, Russia/Ukraine, Iraq/IS... Man, it's too bad that we have to either talk nicely to everyone or invade them and kill tons of them and there are no options in between. That would be cool.
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Amergin posted:Counterpoint: Diplomacy has been working swimmingly with I/P, Syria, Libya, Russia/Ukraine, Iraq/IS...  More seriously, a hawkish approach to international affairs still involves many of the same authorities and organizations as peaceful diplomacy does. The half-hearted hesitant waffling which seems to cripple many efforts at resolving conflicts would still be present in armed interventions, because many of the same people would be at the helm for either approach.
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Cheekio posted:According to who, CNN? Russia is still in shambles, there are just piles of dead reporters not elaborating on the details anymore.
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pangstrom posted:Every time I've seen a Republican hold forth on this "GOP++" foreign policy issue in front of a semi-competent interviewer they have eaten poo poo after the obvious "so what would you have done differently?" follow-up question. It's always a total fantasy or a "well the same as Obama but BETTER" or a dissembling nothing. "Shown real leadership" is another favored non-answer I hear from time to time, that to date I've never heard a concrete elaboration on what would constitute such.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:"Shown real leadership" is another favored non-answer I hear from time to time, that to date I've never heard a concrete elaboration on what would constitute such.
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Alter Ego posted:You're not getting better at the trolling thing, just FYI. 1) That is not the "GOP foreign policy plank" but a hilarious strawman. 2) Many GOP politicians are also against sending troops back to Iraq, excluding the closet couple of Graham and McCain. Captain_Maclaine posted:"Shown real leadership" is another favored non-answer I hear from time to time, that to date I've never heard a concrete elaboration on what would constitute such. Not golfing? Sorry, I had to. EDIT: But in reality there are things Obama could do to actually be a strong leader rather than showing half-hearted attempts at looking at issues. For instance, he could have gone to Ferguson and joined in the protests, rather than throwing Holder at the situation and assuring the black residents "It's cool, the FBI will sort this out." Having the president there would have been a great show of leadership for the people of Ferguson and against the militarization and lack of representation in the police force. What did we get? Not great leadership. Amergin fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Alter Ego posted:However, I do feel compelled to point out that since the GOP foreign policy planks pretty much consist of "TURN IT INTO A GODDAMN GLASS COVERED PARKING LOT", I'd say that no, they are indeed still out-of-touch--especially considering that the vast majority of Americans are against sending troops back to Iraq. If you nuke the middle east you'll hurt Israel and KSA and it will be that much harder to get the sweet, sweet crude. The only way the GOP can say they are different from Democrats on foreign policy is that they will be tougher/stronger in some undefined way. The number one priority for both parties is keeping isolationism off the table because institutional groupthink says it is bad.
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Amergin posted:Counterpoint: Diplomacy has been working swimmingly with I/P, Syria, Libya, Russia/Ukraine, Iraq/IS... Wars always go swimmingly! Especially when dealing with the logistical problems that would come along with involving ourselves directly in Ukraine.
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While we're at Business Insider... http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-government-shutdown-ex-im-bank-2014-8 PAUL RYAN: There Won't Be Another Government Shutdown Unless Democrats Force One quote:"Many of us who are critical of the bank feel that the wisest course is to carry this fight into next year," said Ryan, whose new book, "The Way Forward," was released this week. Speaking of books and ideas for America, Palin should write another book and call it Contract With Real America.
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Reminds me of the 'if we stop paying some of our obligations it isn't really a default and it won't be so bad, but if it is bad it is the democrat's fault'
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I can't wait to see how the President's last two years pan out, especially if the GOP takes Congress.
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McDowell posted:Mitt would have dumped arms onto Syrian rebels that would never have fallen into the hands of ISIL. Just need little stickers on them that say "please don't use for religious oppression. K thanks."
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Sir Tonk posted:I can't wait to see how the President's last two years pan out, especially if the GOP takes Congress. I suspect that's when the usual suspect who've been claiming that impeachment is a dumb idea that they want nothing to do with suddenly remember
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DemeaninDemon posted:Just need little stickers on them that say "please don't use for religious oppression. K thanks." Ziptie a Mormon bible to them, it might make the wackier extremists avoid them and counts as missionary work!
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