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ExParrot
May 6, 2013

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Captain Diarrhoea posted:

I've got SeanBeansShako's post on FotS mods, but are there recommended mods that overhaul default Shogun 2? I feel like a fresh run through. :)

The best overhaul would be the Radious mods. Here's the description from the steam workshop for the collection:

quote:

Complete game overhaul mod, which offers to players big changes in campaign AI, diplomacy, land and naval battles, adding new units, new abilities, changing buildings, re balancing all unit stats and costs, reworking experience system and much more.

Steam workshop collection

TWCenter forums


A great additional mod for the Radious FOTS mods is the Artillery unit pack

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Man Whore
Jan 6, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT SPHERICAL CATS
=3



Man I am still waiting on some medieval 2 style setting change mods for Shogun 2 but I fear they may never come.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Man Whore posted:

Man I am still waiting on some medieval 2 style setting change mods for Shogun 2 but I fear they may never come.

There is a mod in the works for Rome 2 right now. Yeah, finally they've gotten bored of MY SPERGY VERSION OF ANCIENT HISTORY MODS at last and slowly but surely they are branching out.

Also, the American Civil War Mod Team porting to Shogun 2 have actually added in a new ship model to the game. This is pretty much ground breaking stuff!

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY
Europa is released - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?663786-Europa-Barbarorum-2-0-released!

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.
I guess I should download M2 again huh.

edit: lol a modesty patch for those who don't want dongs flappin about in the wind while a bunch of muscled sweaty men push each other back and forth

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Sober posted:

I guess I should download M2 again huh.

edit: lol a modesty patch for those who don't want dongs flappin about in the wind while a bunch of muscled sweaty men push each other back and forth

Do the dongs flap or are they mostly static? This is important.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

what is TWC's deal why don't they like barbarian dicks? I've never really read those forums

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
t r a n q u i l i t y



Earwicker posted:

what is TWC's deal why don't they like barbarian dicks? I've never really read those forums

It's a forum full of insecure spergy manchildren. They also hate women warriors and people who aren't part of the supposedly lily-white Roman master race.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Gimnbo posted:

It's a forum full of insecure spergy manchildren. They also hate women warriors and people who aren't part of the supposedly lily-white Roman master race.

so basically they are Neo-folk fans? I thought those guys really loved barbarian dicks though

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Earwicker posted:

what is TWC's deal why don't they like barbarian dicks? I've never really read those forums

Personally I don't like them because it then becomes awkward to show off awesome battles to family and friends. Those are the kind of situations Alt-F4 were made for.

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Personally I don't like them because it then becomes awkward to show off awesome battles to family and friends. Those are the kind of situations Alt-F4 were made for.

It's only a dick.

edit: dicks working as intended since 225 bc

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!


Just when I was in the midst of getting a life, this comes out.

God loving drat it, goodbye sunlight. :drac:

MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009

Ooooo, I should check that out

"Download time 15 hours"

....better come back once demand has died down.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

MadJackMcJack posted:

Ooooo, I should check that out

"Download time 15 hours"

....better come back once demand has died down.
Use the magnet link and torrent it. I'm doing 512kbps right now and there's about 500 people seeding already.

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
t r a n q u i l i t y



canyoneer posted:

Do the dongs flap or are they mostly static? This is important.

They are not swangy wangs. They are in fact disturbingly frozen in place.

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

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MadJackMcJack posted:

Ooooo, I should check that out

"Download time 15 hours"

....better come back once demand has died down.

Took about 45 mins on the torrent for me. Seeding at a blistering 1.5 mbps

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Gimnbo posted:

They are not swangy wangs. They are in fact disturbingly frozen in place.

That is historically accurate to the penises of European antiquity, the human wang did not swing freely with bodily motion until the development of people learning how to chill out a little bit sometime in the late Renaissance.

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
t r a n q u i l i t y



The person who made the interfaces in this mod may be blind.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Earwicker posted:

That is historically accurate to the penises of European antiquity, the human wang did not swing freely with bodily motion until the development of people learning how to chill out a little bit sometime in the late Renaissance.

I'm at work so I'm not going to google it, but I thought I heard that it was a stylistic decision in old paintings and sculptures to have smaller dongs, because normal size or big dongs were considered grotesque.

Sprinting while naked sounds uncomfortable. :dong:

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

canyoneer posted:

I'm at work so I'm not going to google it, but I thought I heard that it was a stylistic decision in old paintings and sculptures to have smaller dongs, because normal size or big dongs were considered grotesque.

maybe in lame old paintings and sculptures.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Gimnbo posted:

The person who made the interfaces in this mod may be blind.
Holy poo poo the front end is heinous as gently caress. white text vs purple patterned background wtf

Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009
Screenshots of the hideous UI?

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
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The Getae think reading poo poo on wood and stone pattern is a good idea.



The Bactrians think putting gray text on obnoxious textured parchment is a good idea.



The Sabaens... actually know what they're doing.

I get the impression that very different people made each status bar.

Gimnbo fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Aug 26, 2014

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Ragingsheep posted:

Screenshots of the hideous UI?

Main menu:


Walls of text with hilariously bad results (the text is probably good but my condolences on your eyes)




Yellow font on yellow-ish backgrounds:




Also this advice/tooltip thing is so outdated/incorrect I spent like 30 minutes trying to figure out what it meant:
(It seems you need a certain building to upgrade your town from Social Ally to Romanized colony kind of thing) but it was renamed. If someone who wasn't familiar with early Roman history were playing this, they would be loving confused as to what was going on because they naturally assume you know EVERYTHING about Republican Roman history.


Some of the systems are cool, but yeah it feels like I'm just fumbling about. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the building tree if there is one (I could be misremembering if they were using M2's city/castle system to mess with me despite everything being classified under city/town/etc.) and just walls of text or typos really just making any relevant (gameplay) information impossible to find if I have to sift through a history major's notes (my notes are just as bad).

I'm not surprised if no one on the EB2 team played a single video game other than M2 and TW games for the past 10 years and didn't notice that UI is important.

Did you know there are two buttons, one on the top-right corner of the minimap and on the top-left corner of the town info panel? I sure didn't because those buttons literally blended right into the UI that I thought it was just a decal/flair/extraneous detail.

Sober fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Aug 26, 2014

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

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The UI looks perfectly readable to me and it's gorgeous to boot. :shrug:
I do agree that the walls of text should be condensed and there are definite issues with things referring to stuff that are no longer there or renamed.

Gimnbo
Feb 13, 2012

e m b r a c e
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I'd imagine a lot of text is copied over from the first EB, which is reasonable enough to me considering how much historical fluff they typed up.

I didn't screenshot it but the custom battle screen has the unit tool tips in faded gray text (instead of yellow) on the transparent black background on top of the blue of the main menu. It actually is pretty much unreadable.

The Getae interface actually did make me angry because I think my eyes crossed or something when I looked at the bright yellow and wood brown buildings on the wooden palisade backdrop. That poo poo's like dazzle camouflage.

Gimnbo fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Aug 26, 2014

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.
There isn't much formatting in some places so they should fix that, or maybe just cut a bunch of it down. I refuse to believe anyone working on this mod is actually a history major because they should know better than to just vomit out information like that. In some places there are helldumps of text and in other places there is maybe one paragraph. It's fine if you couldn't find a bunch of stuff on whatever it was but it makes it pretty obvious where all the research time went into if you are going to do that and I see like 8 paragraphs for a Roman thing, 5 paragraphs for a Celtic/Hellenistic thing and then you struggle to get like more than three sentences out on something Eastern.

I do have to ask though, is there a building tree similar to M2 or do I just loving feel around until it suddenly just clicks in my head. There are buildings that have no effects that can be built but with no immediate available next building in the chain. I'm not gonna lie but the old games were really loving bad at trying to illuminate any building chains.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

There are buildings that have no effects that can be built but with no immediate available next building in the chain. I'm not gonna lie but the old games were really loving bad at trying to illuminate any building chains.

As someone who's messed around with modding, there are certain effects that won't display but have their effects(Sometimes you can fix this by adding something that actively does nothing, sometimes you can't). 'Construction cost bonuses', 'morale boost to troops from a building' are examples of these.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Well, reminder that this is a beta, released explicitly so people wouldn't give up entirely on EB.

Give them time. And patches.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Mans posted:

Well, reminder that this is a beta, released explicitly so people wouldn't give up entirely on EB.

Give them time. And patches.
I refuse to believe that would happen anywhere. I get the impression people treat them like rock stars.

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007
Well the first EB was an incredible achievement, but 7 years...

Athropos
May 4, 2004

"Skeletons are Number One! Flesh just slows you down."
Looks like a bunch of spergy poo poo that is about as fun to play as big grym's grim reality of grim dudes for Stainless Steel. I mean is there even a decent video game under all these walls of text and convoluted mechanics?

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Gimnbo posted:

It's a forum full of insecure spergy manchildren. They also hate women warriors and people who aren't part of the supposedly lily-white Roman master race.

Some of us get an audience when playing games and kind of don't want to explain why they're looking at the dongs of a hundred men while they fight dude, it's not that spergy tbh.

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY
My FPS drops to single digits as soon as I see too many trees on the screen, e.g. the entirety of northern Europe.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

dogstile posted:

Some of us get an audience when playing games and kind of don't want to explain why they're looking at the dongs of a hundred men while they fight dude, it's not that spergy tbh.

Your audience is a spergy piece of crap if they get boners from seeing people hacking at each other but pluck their eyes out if they see a a pixel penis from miles away for a second during a massive fight.

It's not like the naked Galatians get a kill animation where they throw a Roman on the floor and start loving him up his latin rear end.

Athropos posted:

Looks like a bunch of spergy poo poo that is about as fun to play as big grym's grim reality of grim dudes for Stainless Steel. I mean is there even a decent video game under all these walls of text and convoluted mechanics?

Are the game mechanics that strict or are you just reacting to the endless wall of text and confusing building trees?

'cause the latter is kinda what EB is :v:

Promontory
Apr 6, 2011

Mans posted:


Are the game mechanics that strict or are you just reacting to the endless wall of text and confusing building trees?

'cause the latter is kinda what EB is :v:

One thing I noticed in my brief test (CTD when the computer sallied from a siege) was that moving my guys around gave their commander 'forced march' trait, which supposedly gives penalties. However, he also picked up 'forced march expert' which negated all of these, so I don't know how penalizing they are. There's also the 'reduced movement during winter' trait which does make sense.

Going back to Medieval 2 is pretty rough after the good, clean design of Shogun 2. Browsing those traits, for example, is painful because you can only see a small amount of them at a time: all my Roman guys sort of blended into one another and I had trouble finding out which of them were actually useful. There also a lot of completely superfluous "traits", such as 'this man belongs to this family' and 'this man used to be a tribune, but isn't anymore' which don't seem to actually have any effects. Expect a lot of S.P.E.R.G. jokes, they sure make it easy.

Going to give it a couple of more tries, but the mod seems pretty crash-prone at the moment. I had one crash just from browsing the different factions.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Mans posted:

Your audience is a spergy piece of crap if they get boners from seeing people hacking at each other but pluck their eyes out if they see a a pixel penis from miles away for a second during a massive fight.

It's not like the naked Galatians get a kill animation where they throw a Roman on the floor and start loving him up his latin rear end.

I mean I have young children that like to watch me play and dongs, while funny, isn't something that I want them to see. Their mother would also kinda be pissed.

ReV VAdAUL
Oct 3, 2004

I'm WILD about
WILDMAN
'Look Timmy, that man is stabbing a piece of sharpened metal into that man's stomach so he'll die in agony! Ho ho this guy has been hit in the lung by an arrow, he'll drown in his own blood lol. Now we've captured this town we can press a button to instantly kill a few thousand people, ok Timmy yes you can press the button for daddy.

Wait... what's that!? Is that... a tiny penis?? AVERT YOUR EYES FROM THE SINFUL HORROR!'

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

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ReV VAdAUL posted:

'Look Timmy, that man is stabbing a piece of sharpened metal into that man's stomach so he'll die in agony! Ho ho this guy has been hit in the lung by an arrow, he'll drown in his own blood lol. Now we've captured this town we can press a button to instantly kill a few thousand people, ok Timmy yes you can press the button for daddy.

Wait... what's that!? Is that... a tiny penis?? AVERT YOUR EYES FROM THE SINFUL HORROR!'

This would be valid if the violence was anything near that graphic.
If he was playing Shogun 2 or Rome 2 with the gore mods activated, sure.

But, it's Medieval 2... the violence is about as graphic as a cartoon.

We live in a society where nudity is taboo, get over it.

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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

dogstile posted:

I mean I have young children that like to watch me play and dongs, while funny, isn't something that I want them to see. Their mother would also kinda be pissed.

You had to look at your penis at least once in your life to conceive your children and if those children are male they have already seen at least one (1) penis in their lives so they probably won't be shocked to know other dudes also have penises.

If you have daughters then they'll know about the very mysterious penis that so many people seem to talk about as soon as they are given biology lessons on fifth grade, unless you're that much psycho that you can't fanthom your daughters learning about human anatomy, in which case congratulations on being a grandfather when your daughters turn 15!


Deakul posted:

This would be valid if the violence was anything near that graphic.
If he was playing Shogun 2 or Rome 2 with the gore mods activated, sure.

But, it's Medieval 2... the violence is about as graphic as a cartoon.

We live in a society where nudity is taboo, get over it.
Is it really taboo to find that somebody who teaches their children about the concept of death, killing and war at a young age but don't want their kids to risk the possibility of seeing a small downwards pink pixel when they're scrolling over a thousand man battle is a retard? It's one thing to block your porn channels because of the kids, it's another to block Discovery Channel because they did that program on nudist beaches that one time.

Here dogstille let me ruin your kid's childhood





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